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Except you weren't calling for a military overthrow of the government when the Republicans did it, were you? And I'm willing to bet Xeno wasn't all hyped up on fauxrage, either.Pensito Review
Republicans took power in 1995, they soon lost their aversion to self-executing rules and proceeded to set new records under Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.). There were 38 and 52 self-executing rules in the 104th and 105th Congresses (1995-1998), making up 25 percent and 35 percent of all rules, respectively. Under Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) there were 40, 42 and 30 self-executing rules in the 106th, 107th and 108th Congresses (22 percent, 37 percent and 22 percent, respectively). Thus far in the 109th Congress, self-executing rules make up about 16 percent of all rules.
Let me get this right. You are trying to say that since the republicans broke the rules its ok if the democrats do too?
Sorry that doesn't fly with this american. It was wrong with repubs and is wrong now.
Like RDean your pointing to bad behavior to justify more bad behavior.
Except you weren't calling for a military overthrow of the government when the Republicans did it, were you? And I'm willing to bet Xeno wasn't all hyped up on fauxrage, either.Pensito Review
Republicans took power in 1995, they soon lost their aversion to self-executing rules and proceeded to set new records under Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.). There were 38 and 52 self-executing rules in the 104th and 105th Congresses (1995-1998), making up 25 percent and 35 percent of all rules, respectively. Under Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) there were 40, 42 and 30 self-executing rules in the 106th, 107th and 108th Congresses (22 percent, 37 percent and 22 percent, respectively). Thus far in the 109th Congress, self-executing rules make up about 16 percent of all rules.
Let me get this right. You are trying to say that since the republicans broke the rules its ok if the democrats do too?
Sorry that doesn't fly with this american. It was wrong with repubs and is wrong now.
Like RDean your pointing to bad behavior to justify more bad behavior.
This is why it is impossible to believe that you two are non-partisan as you pretend to be.
That's not the same thing.Except you weren't calling for a military overthrow of the government when the Republicans did it, were you? And I'm willing to bet Xeno wasn't all hyped up on fauxrage, either.Let me get this right. You are trying to say that since the republicans broke the rules its ok if the democrats do too?
Sorry that doesn't fly with this american. It was wrong with repubs and is wrong now.
Like RDean your pointing to bad behavior to justify more bad behavior.
This is why it is impossible to believe that you two are non-partisan as you pretend to be.
Actually when they passed the damn patriot act I was. Sorry Ravi I am disgusted at either party for doing the same behavior.
That's not the same thing.Except you weren't calling for a military overthrow of the government when the Republicans did it, were you? And I'm willing to bet Xeno wasn't all hyped up on fauxrage, either.
This is why it is impossible to believe that you two are non-partisan as you pretend to be.
Actually when they passed the damn patriot act I was. Sorry Ravi I am disgusted at either party for doing the same behavior.
Except you weren't calling for a military overthrow of the government when the Republicans did it, were you? And I'm willing to bet Xeno wasn't all hyped up on fauxrage, either.Pensito Review
Republicans took power in 1995, they soon lost their aversion to self-executing rules and proceeded to set new records under Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.). There were 38 and 52 self-executing rules in the 104th and 105th Congresses (1995-1998), making up 25 percent and 35 percent of all rules, respectively. Under Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) there were 40, 42 and 30 self-executing rules in the 106th, 107th and 108th Congresses (22 percent, 37 percent and 22 percent, respectively). Thus far in the 109th Congress, self-executing rules make up about 16 percent of all rules.
Let me get this right. You are trying to say that since the republicans broke the rules its ok if the democrats do too?
Sorry that doesn't fly with this american. It was wrong with repubs and is wrong now.
Like RDean your pointing to bad behavior to justify more bad behavior.
This is why it is impossible to believe that you two are non-partisan as you pretend to be.
In case you missed iot, and obviously you have, its NEVEWR been used for something like this.Name the time 'republicans' used it to pass a bill that will cost trillions and is unpopular with more then half the country.
What a stupid thing to say, like a five year old, 'Republicans used it, why can't democrats?'
BECAUSE ITS WRONG AND UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
I shouldn't have to even say it, it should be obvious too you.
Just like with the reconciliation argument, in the end this is still legislation like any other.
And in case you missed it earlier, the GOP already has had this upheld in court when they were doing it.
Traditional Use. Originally, this type of rule was used to expedite House action in disposing of Senate amendments to House-passed bills. As mentioned in the precedents (House Practice by Wm. Holmes Brown and Charles W. Johnson), selfexecuting
rules for these purposes eliminate the need for a motion to dispose of the
[Senate] amendment. Brown and Johnson further state that such resolutions are
sometimes called hereby special orders because the House, in adopting the resolution
as drafted, hereby agrees to the disposition of the [Senate] amendment as proposed by
that resolution. If the House adopts a resolution, no further action by the House is
required. The [Senate] amendment is never before the House for separate consideration.
Hereby or self-executing rules have also been used to adopt concurrent resolutions
correcting the enrollment of measures or to make other technical changes to legislation.
Contemporary Use. Self-executing rules are still employed on matters involving
Quit using the phoney definition of what this procedure is.
The house DID pass the bill and then the Senate amended that bill and passed it.
This tactic is clearly defined as used to reconcile bills amended by the senate.
Health care reform debate in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[edit] Debate after passage of Senate and House bills
The Senate bill was passed with 60 senators voting in favor during December 2009.[197] The House bill was passed in November 2009 by a vote of 220-215.[198] The next legislative step is for a reconciled bill to be voted on in both chambers, or either chamber could pass the other's bill as-is.[199]
The vote on sunday is a procedural step which combines the SENATE bill with other bills and votes on its passage as an understanding that it is in the package.
It is nothing different than any other useage of this tactic.
In case you missed iot, and obviously you have, its NEVEWR been used for something like this.Name the time 'republicans' used it to pass a bill that will cost trillions and is unpopular with more then half the country.
What a stupid thing to say, like a five year old, 'Republicans used it, why can't democrats?'
BECAUSE ITS WRONG AND UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
I shouldn't have to even say it, it should be obvious too you.
Just like with the reconciliation argument, in the end this is still legislation like any other.
And in case you missed it earlier, the GOP already has had this upheld in court when they were doing it.
And you notice Nan hasn't done it either, beacuse she knows what is going to happen if its attempted.
Now what LIE will you use to try and say I'm wrong here?
Health care reform debate in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[edit] Debate after passage of Senate and House bills
The Senate bill was passed with 60 senators voting in favor during December 2009.[197] The House bill was passed in November 2009 by a vote of 220-215.[198] The next legislative step is for a reconciled bill to be voted on in both chambers, or either chamber could pass the other's bill as-is.[199]
The vote on sunday is a procedural step which combines the SENATE bill with other bills and votes on its passage as an understanding that it is in the package.
It is nothing different than any other useage of this tactic.
Changing your story in midstream? Now that you see that the two bills aren't the same bill, the Slaughter Rule looks a little different doesn't it? They want to deem that the Senate bill (which is not the same thing as the House bill) has passed the House without a vote. That is what I have a problem with. And it is not something that has EVER been done before.
Rick
