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If Tarp hadn't passed, the banks wouldn't have been bailed out... Is that correct?
That is correct.
Modbert is right that TARP was not 2006, but it was similar kinds of policies supported or tolerated by the RINOs that grated away at a significant group within the electorate who knew what they were doing was just wrong. And it cost the Republicans more seats in 2008.
It is always amusing to watch the wingnuts assume supernatural psychic abilities to know why a Republican would be upset with or disatisfied with their elected Republican representatives and that their reasons for being disatisfied are something most Democrats can't see or understand. They seem to disconnect from the fact that most Democrats don't vote Republican no matter what they do or don't do.
And many are now doing their damndest to deflect from the thread topic and I've been guilty of getting sucked into that.
So back on topic. What SHOULD the newly elected Tea Partiers push for now?
which tea partiers were elected?
That is correct.
Modbert is right that TARP was not 2006, but it was similar kinds of policies supported or tolerated by the RINOs that grated away at a significant group within the electorate who knew what they were doing was just wrong. And it cost the Republicans more seats in 2008.
It is always amusing to watch the wingnuts assume supernatural psychic abilities to know why a Republican would be upset with or disatisfied with their elected Republican representatives and that their reasons for being disatisfied are something most Democrats can't see or understand. They seem to disconnect from the fact that most Democrats don't vote Republican no matter what they do or don't do.
And many are now doing their damndest to deflect from the thread topic and I've been guilty of getting sucked into that.
So back on topic. What SHOULD the newly elected Tea Partiers push for now?
which tea partiers were elected?
Did you read the OP?
I'll see if I can find a list.
That is correct.
Modbert is right that TARP was not 2006, but it was similar kinds of policies supported or tolerated by the RINOs that grated away at a significant group within the electorate who knew what they were doing was just wrong. And it cost the Republicans more seats in 2008.
It is always amusing to watch the wingnuts assume supernatural psychic abilities to know why a Republican would be upset with or disatisfied with their elected Republican representatives and that their reasons for being disatisfied are something most Democrats can't see or understand. They seem to disconnect from the fact that most Democrats don't vote Republican no matter what they do or don't do.
And many are now doing their damndest to deflect from the thread topic and I've been guilty of getting sucked into that.
So back on topic. What SHOULD the newly elected Tea Partiers push for now?
The Republican leader, Representative John A. Boehner of Ohio, had urged his colleagues to vote yes. We know if we do nothing this crisis is likely to worsen and put us in an economic slump the likes of which we have never seen, he said. I am going to vote for this bill because I think its in the best interests of the American people.
In the end, the conservative Republican-inspired "cap-and-trade" system for acid-rain-causing sulfur dioxide was put into place by Republican President George HW Bush, who "not only accepted the cap, he overruled his advisers' recommendation of an eight million-ton cut in annual acid rain emissions in favor of the ten million-ton cut advocated by environmentalists." And it worked incredibly well, "cost[ing] utilities just $3 billion annually, not $25 billion... [and] by cutting acid rain in half, it also generates an estimated $122 billion a year in benefits from avoided death and illness, healthier lakes and forests, and improved visibility on the Eastern Seaboard."
Even stranger, as Climate Progress points out, many Republicans are now opposing - even "demagoguing" - against an idea they once supported! A short list includes: Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-AK), who once said she supported cap-and-trade because she believed "it offers the opportunity to reduce carbon, at the least cost to society;" Sen. Scott Brown (R-MA), who once bragged that voting for "cap-and-trade" in Massachusetts was an "important step ... towards improving our environment;" Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), who once asserted that cap-and-trade "will send a signal that will be heard and welcomed all across the American economy;" and Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), who used to believe that we should "set emission standards and let the best technology win." Actually, as Steve Benen at Washington Monthly points out, the McCain-Palin official website in 2008 promised that a McCain administration would "establish...a cap-and-trade system that would reduce greenhouse gas emissions."
On June 26, the Senate passed its version of the bill, 76-21. The bills were unified in conference, and on November 21, the bill came back to the House for approval.
The bill came to a vote at 3 a.m. on November 22. After 45 minutes, the bill was losing, 219-215, with David Wu (D-OR-1) not voting. Speaker Dennis Hastert and Majority Leader Tom DeLay sought to convince some of dissenting Republicans to switch their votes, as they had in June. Istook, who had always been a wavering vote, consented quickly, producing a 218-216 tally. In a highly unusual move, the House leadership held the vote open for hours as they sought two more votes. Then-Representative Nick Smith (R-MI) claimed he was offered campaign funds for his son, who was running to replace him, in return for a change in his vote from "nay" to "yea." After controversy ensued, Smith clarified no explicit offer of campaign funds was made, but that that he was offered "substantial and aggressive campaign support" which he had assumed included financial support.[14]
About 5:50 a.m., convinced Otter and Trent Franks (AZ-2) to switch their votes. With passage assured, Wu voted yea as well, and Democrats Calvin M. Dooley (CA-20), Jim Marshall (GA-3) and David Scott (GA-13) changed their votes to the affirmative. But Brad Miller (D-NC-13), and then, Republican John Culberson (TX-7), reversed their votes from "yea" to "nay". The bill passed 220-215.[15]
The Democrats cried foul, and Bill Thomas, the Republican chairman of the Ways and Means committee, challenged the result in a gesture to satisfy the concerns of the minority. He subsequently voted to table his own challenge; the tally to table was 210 ayes, 193 noes.
Initially, the net cost of the program was projected at $400 billion for the ten-year period between 2004 and 2013. One month after passage, the administration estimated that the net cost of the program over the period between 2006 (the first year the program started paying benefits) and 2015 would be $534 billion.[19] As of February 2009, the projected net cost of the program over the 2006 to 2015 period was $549.2 billion.[
Part of the success of the TEA PARTY is not only forcing the Repubs to be more Conservative it also made the Dems move to the right. We all heard the dem candidates bragging about not voting with pelosi and voting with the repuds more than their own party. The TEA PARTY caused a shift to the right in both party's and that is something that most of us really didn't expect
What should happen now? The end of senority advancement. You know, you get the position when the nurse calls your number, and shift to a merit based system that includes outside office experience.
Yes, and that may be our ace in the hole when it is all said and done. If the President continues with his unrealistic and destructive agenda, those Democrats who don't want to face an angry electorate again come 2012 may very well vote with the Republicans a lot more. At least in the House. With Boehnor becoming a Tea Party candidate and almost certain to be named Speaker, that will help too.
As Erickson pointed out, the Senate leadership doesn't seem to have learned a damn thing so that may be a tougher row to hoe, but I'm hoping the few Tea Party candidates we took on there will be able to cut through some of the fog.
earmarks are like herpes...
Those who barenakedislam call RINOS are going nowhere but are committed to eliminating neo-conservatism, corporatism, and social values ideology in the party. If the Tea Party right are willing to do that, then the center and left in the party will join them.
Social values - like what? Is corporatism another word for capitalism? But seriously, get rid of all that and the RINOS should just become Democrats. The RINOS have ruined the GOP and now they are on their way out. Just as the left is getting rid of their blue dogs, we will get rid of the RINOS.
Most RINO's would rather go third Party than follow the will of the people. It's will be Rove, Mike Steele and Obama's Fluffer Peggy Noonan who will drive the RINO out of the tent and good fuckign riddance
Most RINO's would rather go third Party than follow the will of the people. It's will be Rove, Mike Steele and Obama's Fluffer Peggy Noonan who will drive the RINO out of the tent and good fuckign riddance
Most RINO's would rather go third Party than follow the will of the people. It's will be Rove, Mike Steele and Obama's Fluffer Peggy Noonan who will drive the RINO out of the tent and good fuckign riddance
Go baby go!
I love to see how utterly stupid your party can get.
The tea parties idea of how to win an election: Drive as many people out of the party as possible.
I'm Lovin' it.
Yeah massive piles of money from corps can do that frankie (goes down on Homers wood).
You just keep shrinkin" your party , it really is the best thing for America.
Missing a few points:Yeah massive piles of money from corps can do that frankie (goes down on Homers wood).
You just keep shrinkin" your party , it really is the best thing for America.
You keep getting Cemeteries, park benches and people with fake ID's on your side and we'll keep going with the Marco Rubio's and Susana Martinez's
