Honest Question: "Who do you think wrote the sequester bill?"

[Polk]

It was a bill written in the house.

The bill was the final chance in a series of proposals to resolve the 2011 United States debt-ceiling crisis, which featured bitter divisions between the parties and also pronounced splits within them. Earlier ideas included the Obama-Boehner $4 trillion "Grand Bargain", the House Republican Cut, Cap and Balance Act, and the McConnell-Reid "Plan B" fallback. All eventually failed to gain enough general political or specific Congressional support to move into law, as the midnight August 2, 2011, deadline for an unprecedented U.S. sovereign default drew nearer and nearer.

Ultimately, the solution came from White House National Economic Council Director Gene Sperling, who, on July 12, 2011, proposed a compulsory trigger that would go into effect if another agreement was not made on tax increases and/or budget cuts equal to or greater than the the debt ceiling increase by a future date.The intent was to secure the commitment of both sides to future negotiation by means of an enforcement mechanism that would be unpalatable to Republicans and Democrats alike. President Obama agreed to the plan. House Speaker John Boehner expressed reservations, but also agreed.

On July 26, 2011, White House Budget Director Jack Lew and White House Legislative Affairs Director Rob Nabors met with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to discuss the plan. Reid, like Boehner several days before, was initially opposed to the idea, but was eventually convinced to go along with it, with the understanding that the sequester was intended as an enforcement tool rather than a true budget proposal.

On the evening of July 31, 2011, Obama announced that the leaders of both parties in both chambers had reached an agreement that would reduce the deficit and avoid default.The same day, Speaker of the House John Boehner's office outlined the agreement for House Republicans. One key element in the deal being reached and the logjam being broken earlier that afternoon was U.S. Vice President Joe Biden's ability to negotiate with his 25-year Senate colleague, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell.
Biden had spent the most time bargaining with Congress on the debt question of anyone in the administration, and McConnell had viewed him as the one most trustworthy.

So the Sequester came from Gene Sperling Director the National Economic Council.

This has to be one of the most pointless arguments I've ever heard. Why do we care so much about the particular mechanism used for the cuts. If a hostage was tied to a chair and asked by the hostage taker if they'd prefer to be killed with a gun or with a knife, we wouldn't say the hostage was the one in charge because he chose to be shot instead of stabbed.

It was not an argument. It is a statement of facts
The question was - who wrote the sequester bill and I answered it.
I can't help it if the sequester part came from the administration and not the GOP as was being bandied around falsely.

But the question isn't really about a fact. People are asking "who came up with the sequester" meaning "who's fault is the sequester". That's squarely on the Republicans, since they're the ones who insisted on budget cuts as a condition for not defaulting on the national debt.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

This has to be one of the most pointless arguments I've ever heard. Why do we care so much about the particular mechanism used for the cuts. If a hostage was tied to a chair and asked by the hostage taker if they'd prefer to be killed with a gun or with a knife, we wouldn't say the hostage was the one in charge because he chose to be shot instead of stabbed.

It was not an argument. It is a statement of facts
The question was - who wrote the sequester bill and I answered it.
I can't help it if the sequester part came from the administration and not the GOP as was being bandied around falsely.

But the question isn't really about a fact. People are asking "who came up with the sequester" meaning "who's fault is the sequester". That's squarely on the Republicans, since they're the ones who insisted on budget cuts as a condition for not defaulting on the national debt.

True, but any red-blooded American Conservative will ask you "Why let facts get in the way of a partisan attack?"

 

[IlarMeilyr]

It was not an argument. It is a statement of facts
The question was - who wrote the sequester bill and I answered it.
I can't help it if the sequester part came from the administration and not the GOP as was being bandied around falsely.

But the question isn't really about a fact. People are asking "who came up with the sequester" meaning "who's fault is the sequester". That's squarely on the Republicans, since they're the ones who insisted on budget cuts as a condition for not defaulting on the national debt.

True, but any red-blooded American Conservative will ask you "Why let facts get in the way of a partisan attack?"

^ evidence of the tragic way Dante's "mind" works.

He takes Polk's silly spin and recasts it as "fact."

It's not that he hopes nobody will notice. It's that he himself can't grasp the flaw in his own "thinking."

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Who wrote a bill is immaterial no bill is worth the paper it's printed on until the president signs it into law.

The president owns it. Period.

So a President gets all the credit pr blame for all bills and laws passed and signed into law? Really? You people have been blaming Democratic led Congresses for ages now.

glad you cleared that all up

Presidents get blamed or credited for the laws passed by Congress which they sought or endorsed and those which they signed.

But for the laws they opposed or which got passed anyway, especially if they at least tried to veto the acts, then those Presidents are not saddled with blame and shouldn't seek any "credit."

 

[Synthaholic]

All funding bills originate in the House.

That is mandated by the Constitution.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Who wrote a bill is immaterial no bill is worth the paper it's printed on until the president signs it into law.

The president owns it. Period.

So a President gets all the credit pr blame for all bills and laws passed and signed into law? Really? You people have been blaming Democratic led Congresses for ages now.

glad you cleared that all up

Who are you people?

The president blames the congress, the congress blames the president.

It's all bullshit. The idea is that if everyone is to blame then no one is at fault.

The buck stops with the president. So yes the president is to blame for the bills he signs into law.

 

[edthecynic]

Who wrote a bill is immaterial no bill is worth the paper it's printed on until the president signs it into law.

The president owns it. Period.

So a President gets all the credit pr blame for all bills and laws passed and signed into law? Really? You people have been blaming Democratic led Congresses for ages now.

glad you cleared that all up

Who are you people?

The president blames the congress, the congress blames the president.

It's all bullshit. The idea is that if everyone is to blame then no one is at fault.

The buck stops with the president. So yes the president is to blame for the bills he signs into law.

No, the GOP gets full blame because they have set up a "Catch 22."

Boner said the House was done negotiating over spending cuts until the Senate “begins to do something." And Turtle McConnell filibusters whatever they begin to do in the Senate!!!!

 

[Skull Pilot]

So a President gets all the credit pr blame for all bills and laws passed and signed into law? Really? You people have been blaming Democratic led Congresses for ages now.

glad you cleared that all up

Who are you people?

The president blames the congress, the congress blames the president.

It's all bullshit. The idea is that if everyone is to blame then no one is at fault.

The buck stops with the president. So yes the president is to blame for the bills he signs into law.

No, the GOP gets full blame because they have set up a "Catch 22."

Boner said the House was done negotiating over spending cuts until the Senate “begins to do something." And Turtle McConnell filibusters whatever they begin to do in the Senate!!!!

Uh huh.

Like I said it's all bullshit.
The circle jerk goes on and all you sheep are happily joining in with both hands

 

[IlarMeilyr]

The liberal Democrats are in full denial mode.

NEITHER side, however, gets FULL "blame" for the sequester. THe plan was a joint effort. Both sides can suck on the blame.

But the liberal defensiveness over allowing the Obamessiah to take ANY of his wll earned BLAME is so dishonest of them, it brings a smile to my lips.

 

[Ernie S.]

boy, do facts really suck when a life is reduced to wingnut messaging

I am sorry that your life sucks for you, wingnut.

Maybe you should try to post something intelligent to offset your wingnut suckiness.

A new play thing? Why does gawd favor Dante so much? Life truly is unfair for the rest of USMB

Can you give us an example of your favored status?. Shit, man! Even your sock puppets can't stand you.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

boy, do facts really suck when a life is reduced to wingnut messaging

I am sorry that your life sucks for you, wingnut.

Maybe you should try to post something intelligent to offset your wingnut suckiness.

A new play thing? Why does gawd favor Dante so much? Life truly is unfair for the rest of USMB

^ The familiar refrain of the Dante whine.

 

[edthecynic]

Who are you people?

The president blames the congress, the congress blames the president.

It's all bullshit. The idea is that if everyone is to blame then no one is at fault.

The buck stops with the president. So yes the president is to blame for the bills he signs into law.

No, the GOP gets full blame because they have set up a "Catch 22."

Boner said the House was done negotiating over spending cuts until the Senate “begins to do something." And Turtle McConnell filibusters whatever they begin to do in the Senate!!!!

Uh huh.

Like I said it's all bullshit.
The circle jerk goes on and all you sheep are happily joining in with both hands

Speak for yourself.

Defeated by filibuster, again

The Democratic sequestration replacement was defeated in the Senate today. By filibuster. Reporters who don’t include that in their story aren’t doing their job.
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The Democratic plan, however, was supported by a majority of the Senate, with all but three Democrats supporting it and every Republican opposed
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Right now, the Republican position — what Speaker John Boehner says virtually every day — is that the House has acted to replace the sequester, but the president and the Democrats in the Senate have not. The truth is that Boehner’s House actions occurred in the now-expired 112th Congress. And now, the Senate has tried to act, but successful minority Republican obstruction prevented it. Leaving that out severely distorts the story.

Of course, any bill will need both Democratic and Republican support to clear both chambers of Congress and get a presidential signature. Just because the Democrats have something that wins a majority of the Senate doesn’t automatically mean that they are more ready to compromise than the Republicans (I think they are, but that there’s a bill Democrats agree on doesn’t prove that). However, it really does undermine Boehner’s go-to talking point.

 

[Annie]

Still think the Woodward brouhaha isn't significant?

All the President?s unaccountable men - NYPOST.com

Kathleen Parker: The Obama White House ?threat? to Bob Woodward matters - The Washington Post

Unless the public demands that access be given, we'll end up with state sponsored journalism. That is a threat.

 

[edthecynic]

It was a bill written in the house.

The bill was the final chance in a series of proposals to resolve the 2011 United States debt-ceiling crisis, which featured bitter divisions between the parties and also pronounced splits within them. Earlier ideas included the Obama-Boehner $4 trillion "Grand Bargain", the House Republican Cut, Cap and Balance Act, and the McConnell-Reid "Plan B" fallback. All eventually failed to gain enough general political or specific Congressional support to move into law, as the midnight August 2, 2011, deadline for an unprecedented U.S. sovereign default drew nearer and nearer.

Ultimately, the solution came from White House National Economic Council Director Gene Sperling, who, on July 12, 2011, proposed a compulsory trigger that would go into effect if another agreement was not made on tax increases and/or budget cuts equal to or greater than the the debt ceiling increase by a future date.The intent was to secure the commitment of both sides to future negotiation by means of an enforcement mechanism that would be unpalatable to Republicans and Democrats alike. President Obama agreed to the plan. House Speaker John Boehner expressed reservations, but also agreed.

On July 26, 2011, White House Budget Director Jack Lew and White House Legislative Affairs Director Rob Nabors met with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to discuss the plan. Reid, like Boehner several days before, was initially opposed to the idea, but was eventually convinced to go along with it, with the understanding that the sequester was intended as an enforcement tool rather than a true budget proposal.

On the evening of July 31, 2011, Obama announced that the leaders of both parties in both chambers had reached an agreement that would reduce the deficit and avoid default.The same day, Speaker of the House John Boehner's office outlined the agreement for House Republicans. One key element in the deal being reached and the logjam being broken earlier that afternoon was U.S. Vice President Joe Biden's ability to negotiate with his 25-year Senate colleague, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell.
Biden had spent the most time bargaining with Congress on the debt question of anyone in the administration, and McConnell had viewed him as the one most trustworthy.

So the Sequester came from Gene Sperling Director the National Economic Council.

Even Boob Woodward no longer tries to defend his false claim that Sperling came up with the sequester since it has been so thoroughly discredited!!!!!! In Boob's discredited book he has Sperling bringing up the sequester in a meeting with himself and Boner and Obama on July 12, the problem with that fabrication is Boner and Obama stopped talking to each other on July 9 and didn't speak again for 5 days until Boner called Obama on July 14, so there was no way the three of them could have been together in the same room having Boob's imaginary conversation, complete with quotes, as found in Boob's discredited book.

So after the Sperling claim was thoroughly discredited, Boob then changed it to the Jack Lew claim which in Boob's book took place July 26, but in Boob's WoPo article he changed it to July 27, which was discredited by none other than Boner himself who had the sequester posted on his speaker.gov website on July 25 as part of his "two step approach to hold President Obama accountable."

Face it, Boob Woodward does not have a credible leg to stand on!!!

Still think the Woodward brouhaha isn't significant?

All the President?s unaccountable men - NYPOST.com

Kathleen Parker: The Obama White House ?threat? to Bob Woodward matters - The Washington Post

Unless the public demands that access be given, we'll end up with state sponsored journalism. That is a threat.

All your links, written by Right-wing hacks, do is repeat Boob Woodward's discredited BS, from his discredited timeline of the sequester to his discredited "threat."

From your link:

Woodward not only names the individuals involved, but also gives exact timelines for when the discussions took place and how the final agreement came about.

As you can see from my previous post, it is those very timelines that discredit Boob!!!!

 

[Rozman]

Valerie Jarrett and Michelle Obama....

 

[Rozman]

The people who run the President....

 

[Ame®icano]

The sequester bill was the brainchild of the administration, as reported by Woodward. That it was written by Congressional staffers doesn't get the administration off the hook, which was the point of Woodward's editorial piece. Now the administration and minions are attacking him as senile and such? Big overplay of hand, and the price is becoming apparent.

Dante provided proof, you provide speculation. Obama signed the bill, the bill was written by and voted on by members of committees in both houses and finally voted on by both houses before it went to the President for his signature.

Whose idea it was isn't known and doesn't matter.

Jeez.

Oh, now when is well known whose idea it is, suddenly it doesnt matter...

Thats well known "what difference does it make" attitude, in other words - "so what???"

Well, if it doesnt matter, why libs are making big deal out of it at the first place?

 

[editec]

Honest Question: "Who do you think wrote the sequester bill?"

Bills are written by Congress? I know others can help draft a bill, but doesn't the Congress have to write the final version? Who gets credit?

Oh, did you know this is a legal thing, a law, a Congressional mandate?

It doesn't matter who wrote it it matters who signs it into law.

Agreed.

Whomsoever voted for it in Congress or passed it into law as POTUS owns it.

Arguing about which party owns it is just more dumb-assed trolling silliness from idiotic partisans.

The record of who voted for it is everything we need to know and THAT is public record.

 

[Ame®icano]

Oops...

WH Adviser Gene Sperling: We Did Put Forward The Framework Of Sequester

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTkn3bY6qmQ&feature=player_embedded]WH Adviser Gene Sperling: We Did Put Forward The Framework Of Sequester - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Trajan]

Who writes our law? : GovTrack.us Blog

Today’s question comes from Gwen who asks:

Who actually writes the bills that the members of congress sponsor and vote for?

This is no simple question and the answer involves many different sorts of people. To get the facts straight, I turned to an ex-staffer, Marci Harris, who just recently worked on the health care legislation in Rep. Pete Stark’s office and had the following to say. (If you want the short answer, there’s a summary at the end.)

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Summary

So here’s a summary of what Marci wrote: If you want to know who actually puts pen to paper, it’s nonpartisan staff lawyers who work for Congress who know the exiting law they are affecting inside out. They do that under the direction of office staff for Members of Congress and congressional committees, who vet the bill with outside experts and advocates. Sometimes those advocates (i.e. lobbyists) propose changes in the form of legislative language. But did they write the bill? Probably not.

So if the President did not write the bill, who did?

the president writes bills?

anwyay....