Honest Question: "Who do you think wrote the sequester bill?"

[Procrustes Stretched]

The sequester bill was the brainchild of the administration, as reported by Woodward. That it was written by Congressional staffers doesn't get the administration off the hook, which was the point of Woodward's editorial piece. Now the administration and minions are attacking him as senile and such? Big overplay of hand, and the price is becoming apparent.

Dante provided proof, you provide speculation. Obama signed the bill, the bill was written by and voted on by members of committees in both houses and finally voted on by both houses before it went to the President for his signature.

Whose idea it was isn't known and doesn't matter.

Jeez.

Annie is clueless?

no surprise here

 

[IlarMeilyr]

It's complete gibberish.

That is the vital clue.

Clearly, Dante wrote it.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

It's complete gibberish.

That is the vital clue.

Clearly, Dante wrote it.

Early stages of Dante Fevah!

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Honest Question: "Who do you think wrote the sequester bill?"

Bills are written by Congress? I know others can help draft a bill, but doesn't the Congress have to write the final version? Who gets credit?

Oh, did you know this is a legal thing, a law, a Congressional mandate?

Bills are passed by Congress, they are written by people. Believe it or not, anyone can write a bill, even you.

 

[peach174]

It was a bill written in the house.

The bill was the final chance in a series of proposals to resolve the 2011 United States debt-ceiling crisis, which featured bitter divisions between the parties and also pronounced splits within them. Earlier ideas included the Obama-Boehner $4 trillion "Grand Bargain", the House Republican Cut, Cap and Balance Act, and the McConnell-Reid "Plan B" fallback. All eventually failed to gain enough general political or specific Congressional support to move into law, as the midnight August 2, 2011, deadline for an unprecedented U.S. sovereign default drew nearer and nearer.

Ultimately, the solution came from White House National Economic Council Director Gene Sperling, who, on July 12, 2011, proposed a compulsory trigger that would go into effect if another agreement was not made on tax increases and/or budget cuts equal to or greater than the the debt ceiling increase by a future date.The intent was to secure the commitment of both sides to future negotiation by means of an enforcement mechanism that would be unpalatable to Republicans and Democrats alike. President Obama agreed to the plan. House Speaker John Boehner expressed reservations, but also agreed.

On July 26, 2011, White House Budget Director Jack Lew and White House Legislative Affairs Director Rob Nabors met with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to discuss the plan. Reid, like Boehner several days before, was initially opposed to the idea, but was eventually convinced to go along with it, with the understanding that the sequester was intended as an enforcement tool rather than a true budget proposal.

On the evening of July 31, 2011, Obama announced that the leaders of both parties in both chambers had reached an agreement that would reduce the deficit and avoid default.The same day, Speaker of the House John Boehner's office outlined the agreement for House Republicans. One key element in the deal being reached and the logjam being broken earlier that afternoon was U.S. Vice President Joe Biden's ability to negotiate with his 25-year Senate colleague, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell.
Biden had spent the most time bargaining with Congress on the debt question of anyone in the administration, and McConnell had viewed him as the one most trustworthy.

So the Sequester came from Gene Sperling Director the National Economic Council.

This has to be one of the most pointless arguments I've ever heard. Why do we care so much about the particular mechanism used for the cuts. If a hostage was tied to a chair and asked by the hostage taker if they'd prefer to be killed with a gun or with a knife, we wouldn't say the hostage was the one in charge because he chose to be shot instead of stabbed.

It was not an argument. It is a statement of facts
The question was - who wrote the sequester bill and I answered it.
I can't help it if the sequester part came from the administration and not the GOP as was being bandied around falsely.

 

[edthecynic]

The sequester bill was the brainchild of the administration, as reported by Woodward. That it was written by Congressional staffers doesn't get the administration off the hook, which was the point of Woodward's editorial piece. Now the administration and minions are attacking him as senile and such? Big overplay of hand, and the price is becoming apparent.

And Boob Woodward's "report" has been completely discredited. The GOP were pushing the sequester throughout the debt ceiling debate, as reported by Lyin' Ryan, and he reported that they were proud if the fact they got it written into the law after the bill passed the House August 1, 2011.

 

[edthecynic]

It was a bill written in the house.

The bill was the final chance in a series of proposals to resolve the 2011 United States debt-ceiling crisis, which featured bitter divisions between the parties and also pronounced splits within them. Earlier ideas included the Obama-Boehner $4 trillion "Grand Bargain", the House Republican Cut, Cap and Balance Act, and the McConnell-Reid "Plan B" fallback. All eventually failed to gain enough general political or specific Congressional support to move into law, as the midnight August 2, 2011, deadline for an unprecedented U.S. sovereign default drew nearer and nearer.

Ultimately, the solution came from White House National Economic Council Director Gene Sperling, who, on July 12, 2011, proposed a compulsory trigger that would go into effect if another agreement was not made on tax increases and/or budget cuts equal to or greater than the the debt ceiling increase by a future date.The intent was to secure the commitment of both sides to future negotiation by means of an enforcement mechanism that would be unpalatable to Republicans and Democrats alike. President Obama agreed to the plan. House Speaker John Boehner expressed reservations, but also agreed.

On July 26, 2011, White House Budget Director Jack Lew and White House Legislative Affairs Director Rob Nabors met with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to discuss the plan. Reid, like Boehner several days before, was initially opposed to the idea, but was eventually convinced to go along with it, with the understanding that the sequester was intended as an enforcement tool rather than a true budget proposal.

On the evening of July 31, 2011, Obama announced that the leaders of both parties in both chambers had reached an agreement that would reduce the deficit and avoid default.The same day, Speaker of the House John Boehner's office outlined the agreement for House Republicans. One key element in the deal being reached and the logjam being broken earlier that afternoon was U.S. Vice President Joe Biden's ability to negotiate with his 25-year Senate colleague, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell.
Biden had spent the most time bargaining with Congress on the debt question of anyone in the administration, and McConnell had viewed him as the one most trustworthy.

So the Sequester came from Gene Sperling Director the National Economic Council.

Even Boob Woodward no longer tries to defend his false claim that Sperling came up with the sequester since it has been so thoroughly discredited!!!!!! In Boob's discredited book he has Sperling bringing up the sequester in a meeting with himself and Boner and Obama on July 12, the problem with that fabrication is Boner and Obama stopped talking to each other on July 9 and didn't speak again for 5 days until Boner called Obama on July 14, so there was no way the three of them could have been together in the same room having Boob's imaginary conversation, complete with quotes, as found in Boob's discredited book.

So after the Sperling claim was thoroughly discredited, Boob then changed it to the Jack Lew claim which in Boob's book took place July 26, but in Boob's WoPo article he changed it to July 27, which was discredited by none other than Boner himself who had the sequester posted on his speaker.gov website on July 25 as part of his "two step approach to hold President Obama accountable."

Face it, Boob Woodward does not have a credible leg to stand on!!!

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

It was a bill written in the house.

The bill was the final chance in a series of proposals to resolve the 2011 United States debt-ceiling crisis, which featured bitter divisions between the parties and also pronounced splits within them. Earlier ideas included the Obama-Boehner $4 trillion "Grand Bargain", the House Republican Cut, Cap and Balance Act, and the McConnell-Reid "Plan B" fallback. All eventually failed to gain enough general political or specific Congressional support to move into law, as the midnight August 2, 2011, deadline for an unprecedented U.S. sovereign default drew nearer and nearer.

Ultimately, the solution came from White House National Economic Council Director Gene Sperling, who, on July 12, 2011, proposed a compulsory trigger that would go into effect if another agreement was not made on tax increases and/or budget cuts equal to or greater than the the debt ceiling increase by a future date.The intent was to secure the commitment of both sides to future negotiation by means of an enforcement mechanism that would be unpalatable to Republicans and Democrats alike. President Obama agreed to the plan. House Speaker John Boehner expressed reservations, but also agreed.

On July 26, 2011, White House Budget Director Jack Lew and White House Legislative Affairs Director Rob Nabors met with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to discuss the plan. Reid, like Boehner several days before, was initially opposed to the idea, but was eventually convinced to go along with it, with the understanding that the sequester was intended as an enforcement tool rather than a true budget proposal.

On the evening of July 31, 2011, Obama announced that the leaders of both parties in both chambers had reached an agreement that would reduce the deficit and avoid default.The same day, Speaker of the House John Boehner's office outlined the agreement for House Republicans. One key element in the deal being reached and the logjam being broken earlier that afternoon was U.S. Vice President Joe Biden's ability to negotiate with his 25-year Senate colleague, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell.
Biden had spent the most time bargaining with Congress on the debt question of anyone in the administration, and McConnell had viewed him as the one most trustworthy.

So the Sequester came from Gene Sperling Director the National Economic Council.

So your argument is, the GOP sponsors a bill in the US House on the suggestion of a Presidential Aide?

According to you, all President Obama has to do to bring Kenyan Socialism to the shores of the USA is get an Aide to suggest to the GOP that they sponsor a bill doing so?

cool!

 

[IlarMeilyr]

It's complete gibberish.

That is the vital clue.

Clearly, Dante wrote it.

Early stages of Dante Fevah!

^ Speaking of Dante's fondness for gibberish.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Honest Question: "Who do you think wrote the sequester bill?"

Bills are written by Congress? I know others can help draft a bill, but doesn't the Congress have to write the final version? Who gets credit?

Oh, did you know this is a legal thing, a law, a Congressional mandate?

It doesn't matter who wrote it it matters who signs it into law.

Of course. The White House had an idea. The GOP runs with it saying they got 80% or more of what they wanted and all the credit/blame goes to the people who suggested an idea for a bill?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Honest Question: "Who do you think wrote the sequester bill?"

Bills are written by Congress? I know others can help draft a bill, but doesn't the Congress have to write the final version? Who gets credit?

Oh, did you know this is a legal thing, a law, a Congressional mandate?

Bills are passed by Congress, they are written by people. Believe it or not, anyone can write a bill, even you.

Dante wrote earlier than anyone can help draft a proposal -- please try to keep up.
then there is this...

Who writes our law? : GovTrack.us Blog

Today’s question comes from Gwen who asks:

Who actually writes the bills that the members of congress sponsor and vote for?

This is no simple question and the answer involves many different sorts of people. To get the facts straight, I turned to an ex-staffer, Marci Harris, who just recently worked on the health care legislation in Rep. Pete Stark’s office and had the following to say. (If you want the short answer, there’s a summary at the end.)
...

Summary
So here’s a summary of what Marci wrote: If you want to know who actually puts pen to paper, it’s nonpartisan staff lawyers who work for Congress who know the exiting law they are affecting inside out. They do that under the direction of office staff for Members of Congress and congressional committees, who vet the bill with outside experts and advocates. Sometimes those advocates (i.e. lobbyists) propose changes in the form of legislative language. But did they write the bill? Probably not.

So if the President did not write the bill, who did?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

It was a bill written in the house.

The bill was the final chance in a series of proposals to resolve the 2011 United States debt-ceiling crisis, which featured bitter divisions between the parties and also pronounced splits within them. Earlier ideas included the Obama-Boehner $4 trillion "Grand Bargain", the House Republican Cut, Cap and Balance Act, and the McConnell-Reid "Plan B" fallback. All eventually failed to gain enough general political or specific Congressional support to move into law, as the midnight August 2, 2011, deadline for an unprecedented U.S. sovereign default drew nearer and nearer.

Ultimately, the solution came from White House National Economic Council Director Gene Sperling, who, on July 12, 2011, proposed a compulsory trigger that would go into effect if another agreement was not made on tax increases and/or budget cuts equal to or greater than the the debt ceiling increase by a future date.The intent was to secure the commitment of both sides to future negotiation by means of an enforcement mechanism that would be unpalatable to Republicans and Democrats alike. President Obama agreed to the plan. House Speaker John Boehner expressed reservations, but also agreed.

On July 26, 2011, White House Budget Director Jack Lew and White House Legislative Affairs Director Rob Nabors met with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to discuss the plan. Reid, like Boehner several days before, was initially opposed to the idea, but was eventually convinced to go along with it, with the understanding that the sequester was intended as an enforcement tool rather than a true budget proposal.

On the evening of July 31, 2011, Obama announced that the leaders of both parties in both chambers had reached an agreement that would reduce the deficit and avoid default.The same day, Speaker of the House John Boehner's office outlined the agreement for House Republicans. One key element in the deal being reached and the logjam being broken earlier that afternoon was U.S. Vice President Joe Biden's ability to negotiate with his 25-year Senate colleague, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell.
Biden had spent the most time bargaining with Congress on the debt question of anyone in the administration, and McConnell had viewed him as the one most trustworthy.

So the Sequester came from Gene Sperling Director the National Economic Council.

This has to be one of the most pointless arguments I've ever heard. Why do we care so much about the particular mechanism used for the cuts. If a hostage was tied to a chair and asked by the hostage taker if they'd prefer to be killed with a gun or with a knife, we wouldn't say the hostage was the one in charge because he chose to be shot instead of stabbed.

It was not an argument. It is a statement of facts
The question was - who wrote the sequester bill and I answered it.
I can't help it if the sequester part came from the administration and not the GOP as was being bandied around falsely.

So you agree the Congress wrote the bill.

cool


Who in the Congress wrote the bill? A Democratic Senator sponsored the bill in the US Senate and a GOP House member sponsored the bill in the US House. The GOP led House voted overwhelmingly for the bill

California Republican Alone Sponsored The Sequester Law in US House

Obama Signing Sequester Bill "Is this the deal I would have preferred? No."

The GOP had to pass the bill. Obama suggested it.

US House of Representatives: David Dreier (R) California -
No Co-Sponsors

US Senate: Sen. Thomas “Tom” Harkin [D-IA]
No Co-Sponsors

The House passed the Budget Control Act[1] on August 1, 2011 by a vote of 269–161. 174 Republicans and 95 Democrats voted for it, while 66 Republicans and 95 Democrats voted against it.

The Senate passed the Act on August 2, 2011 by a vote of 74–26. 6 Democrats and 19 Republicans voted against it

---

Presidential signature

President Obama signed the bill shortly after it was passed by the Senate. In doing so, the president said, "Is this the deal I would have preferred? No. But this compromise does make a serious down payment on the deficit reduction we need, and gives each party a strong incentive to get a balanced plan done before the end of the year."

Budget Control Act of 2011 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

H.R.2693: Budget Control Act of 2011 - U.S. Congress - OpenCongress

Budget Control Act of 2011 (2011; 112th Congress S. 365) - GovTrack.us

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Dante ^ desperately hoping to be able to grunt out a "point."

It would help if he had one.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Honest Question: "Who do you think wrote the sequester bill?"

Bills are written by Congress? I know others can help draft a bill, but doesn't the Congress have to write the final version? Who gets credit?

Oh, did you know this is a legal thing, a law, a Congressional mandate?

Bills are passed by Congress, they are written by people. Believe it or not, anyone can write a bill, even you.

Dante wrote earlier than anyone can help draft a proposal -- please try to keep up.
then there is this...

Who writes our law? : GovTrack.us Blog

Today’s question comes from Gwen who asks:

Who actually writes the bills that the members of congress sponsor and vote for?

This is no simple question and the answer involves many different sorts of people. To get the facts straight, I turned to an ex-staffer, Marci Harris, who just recently worked on the health care legislation in Rep. Pete Stark’s office and had the following to say. (If you want the short answer, there’s a summary at the end.)
...

Summary
So here’s a summary of what Marci wrote: If you want to know who actually puts pen to paper, it’s nonpartisan staff lawyers who work for Congress who know the exiting law they are affecting inside out. They do that under the direction of office staff for Members of Congress and congressional committees, who vet the bill with outside experts and advocates. Sometimes those advocates (i.e. lobbyists) propose changes in the form of legislative language. But did they write the bill? Probably not.

So if the President did not write the bill, who did?

It doesn't matter what you wrote earlier, in the post I quoted you said Congress wrote the sequester bill. Congress does not write bill, they pass them.

 

[hortysir]

This has to be one of the most pointless arguments I've ever heard. Why do we care so much about the particular mechanism used for the cuts. If a hostage was tied to a chair and asked by the hostage taker if they'd prefer to be killed with a gun or with a knife, we wouldn't say the hostage was the one in charge because he chose to be shot instead of stabbed.

It was not an argument. It is a statement of facts
The question was - who wrote the sequester bill and I answered it.
I can't help it if the sequester part came from the administration and not the GOP as was being bandied around falsely.

So you agree the Congress wrote the bill.

cool


Who in the Congress wrote the bill? A Democratic Senator sponsored the bill in the US Senate and a GOP House member sponsored the bill in the US House. The GOP led House voted overwhelmingly for the bill

California Republican Alone Sponsored The Sequester Law in US House

Obama Signing Sequester Bill "Is this the deal I would have preferred? No."

The GOP had to pass the bill. Obama suggested it.

US House of Representatives: David Dreier (R) California -
No Co-Sponsors

US Senate: Sen. Thomas “Tom” Harkin [D-IA]
No Co-Sponsors

The House passed the Budget Control Act[1] on August 1, 2011 by a vote of 269–161. 174 Republicans and 95 Democrats voted for it, while 66 Republicans and 95 Democrats voted against it.

The Senate passed the Act on August 2, 2011 by a vote of 74–26. 6 Democrats and 19 Republicans voted against it

---

Presidential signature

President Obama signed the bill shortly after it was passed by the Senate. In doing so, the president said, "Is this the deal I would have preferred? No. But this compromise does make a serious down payment on the deficit reduction we need, and gives each party a strong incentive to get a balanced plan done before the end of the year."

Budget Control Act of 2011 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

H.R.2693: Budget Control Act of 2011 - U.S. Congress - OpenCongress

Budget Control Act of 2011 (2011; 112th Congress S. 365) - GovTrack.us

Seriously, Dante.
Spell it out.
What's your point?

Congressional Rs overwhelmingly supported it.
but
Senate Ds overwhelmingly supported it.

 

[edthecynic]

Bills are passed by Congress, they are written by people. Believe it or not, anyone can write a bill, even you.

Dante wrote earlier than anyone can help draft a proposal -- please try to keep up.
then there is this...

So if the President did not write the bill, who did?

It doesn't matter what you wrote earlier, in the post I quoted you said Congress wrote the sequester bill. Congress does not write bill, they pass them.

The bill was written and passed in the House and passed unchanged by the Senate.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Bills are passed by Congress, they are written by people. Believe it or not, anyone can write a bill, even you.

Dante wrote earlier than anyone can help draft a proposal -- please try to keep up.
then there is this...

So if the President did not write the bill, who did?

It doesn't matter what you wrote earlier, in the post I quoted you said Congress wrote the sequester bill. Congress does not write bill, they pass them.

Congress wrote the bill

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

It was not an argument. It is a statement of facts
The question was - who wrote the sequester bill and I answered it.
I can't help it if the sequester part came from the administration and not the GOP as was being bandied around falsely.

So you agree the Congress wrote the bill.

cool


Who in the Congress wrote the bill? A Democratic Senator sponsored the bill in the US Senate and a GOP House member sponsored the bill in the US House. The GOP led House voted overwhelmingly for the bill

California Republican Alone Sponsored The Sequester Law in US House

Obama Signing Sequester Bill "Is this the deal I would have preferred? No."

The GOP had to pass the bill. Obama suggested it.

US House of Representatives: David Dreier (R) California -
No Co-Sponsors

US Senate: Sen. Thomas “Tom” Harkin [D-IA]
No Co-Sponsors

The House passed the Budget Control Act[1] on August 1, 2011 by a vote of 269–161. 174 Republicans and 95 Democrats voted for it, while 66 Republicans and 95 Democrats voted against it.

The Senate passed the Act on August 2, 2011 by a vote of 74–26. 6 Democrats and 19 Republicans voted against it

---

Presidential signature

President Obama signed the bill shortly after it was passed by the Senate. In doing so, the president said, "Is this the deal I would have preferred? No. But this compromise does make a serious down payment on the deficit reduction we need, and gives each party a strong incentive to get a balanced plan done before the end of the year."

Budget Control Act of 2011 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

H.R.2693: Budget Control Act of 2011 - U.S. Congress - OpenCongress

Budget Control Act of 2011 (2011; 112th Congress S. 365) - GovTrack.us

Seriously, Dante.
Spell it out.
What's your point?

Congressional Rs overwhelmingly supported it.
but
Senate Ds overwhelmingly supported it.

And Republicans want cuts in programs they refuse to list, yet Democrats listed teh taxes they wanted raised and the loopholes they want closed

Why won't the GOP be honest and open with the American people and just tell them what they want to cut and why they want to protect the wealthy elites?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Who wrote a bill is immaterial no bill is worth the paper it's printed on until the president signs it into law.

The president owns it. Period.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Who wrote a bill is immaterial no bill is worth the paper it's printed on until the president signs it into law.

The president owns it. Period.

So a President gets all the credit pr blame for all bills and laws passed and signed into law? Really? You people have been blaming Democratic led Congresses for ages now.

glad you cleared that all up