Homeschooling: the ultimate results

[BULLDOG]

Of course. Some home school parents are concerned and capable of giving their children a great education. The one on one teaching is much better than a large class. However, it's wrong to say all parents are educated enough to give their children a quality education, and pointing to the ones lucky enough to have parents do as the expected outcome of home schooling is just wrong. With required standards home schooling could be a great idea. Without them lots of children are missing the chance at a better, more productive life.

You don't have to have a great education yourself to give your child one. There are resources that make that possible.

Of course there are. That's where the ones with the high SATs come from. Many don't take advantage of those resources, and nothing in federal law says they have to. If there were requirements for parents to use those resources, or to determine if the child is being taught anything, then home schooling might be a viable option.

If the parents want their kids to go on to college, they have to take the SAT's just like everyone else. We don't see large numbers of home schooled children suffering because they didn't get s good education. Just the opposite.

How do you know?

Because of there was an epidemic of them, it would make the news just like failing government schools do.

With no monitoring, who is to complain? You think the home school parents are going to demand less home schooling?

 

[BULLDOG]

So if public schools are bad, It's OK with you that home schoolers don't even have to be at least that good?

Yes it is.

Home schoolers overwhelmingly ARE in fact better educated than public schools which merely goes to show when people are left alone they will manage for themselves without state coercion which invariably fails

Are you basing that on all home schooled students, or just the ones who take college entrance exams? Many don't bother with those exams. You still didn't answer the question though.

I clearly did answer it.

YES IT IS.

As in yes it is ok and explained why.

NOT taking a college entrance exam does not indicate a lack of education so your singling out that example is irrelevant.

Not taking an entrance exam does indicate you can't use them in your example of how home schooled children compare to public schooled children. Your comparison is just taking the top home schoolers and comparing them to all public schooled children.

Sure you can as not all public school kids take those exams either

Correct, but those public school students are monitored in several other ways as well. What other ways are home schooled kids monitored other than those tests?

 

[hadit]

Many homeschool kids just don’t fit in with other kids

Likewise, many government schooled kids just don't fit in with other kids.

 

[hadit]

That's dumb. Have you never heard of an online school? The student works at home and remote teachers grade the work and give help when needed.

This isn't the 1950's any more.

Online schools are great for some kids, but most do not learn as well.

Ever tried taking an on-line PE class?

How about chorus?

Band?

Welding?

They do that in co-ops. Face it, modern home schoolers have good resources at their fingertips.

Yeah, right!

You should say "some", but that would defeat your argument, wouldn't it?

It's up to the parents and students to access them, just like parents and students in government schools have resources they can choose to access.

Note that I never said they could not. Please explain the resources available in a small farming community more then 50 miles away from the nearest large city. You simply cannot make blanket statements as homeschools supporters have a strong tendency to do.

First off, they have a great advantage in biology, since it's literally out in the barn. Then, online curricula place everything at the parents' fingertips. This isn't the 1950's any more.

 

[hadit]

Oh get a grip.

Are you saying the racial makeup of the local school doesn’t play into the decision to homeschool?

I'm saying people decide to home school for many reasons. Insisting they're racist is just plain hateful and stupid.

Unfortunately, in many cases it is true. It is not plain hateful and stupid.

You can find racists everywhere, but to make a blanket statement that all home schooling parents are doing it because they are IS hateful and stupid.

I think you need to look up the term "blanket statement" because you obviously do not understand it.

To say parents home school so their kids don't have to play with Negros isn't a blanket statement?

 

[WelfareQueen]

First of all that is very arguable. While no one I know of is claiming education in general is a bad thing your assertion that it is THE cause of American greatness is a dubious and highly ignorant statement.

Second yes many ARE forced to do so through truancy laws.

Free public school education has been the great equalizer in this country

And once again that is merely a general opinion not something which can be demonstrated.

It has been demonstrated millions of times over

No it never has the burden is on you to demonstrate it not some vague other.

Poor children from struggling families could never afford an education
Free public education made it possible to succeed

Thanks for the history lesson. US Public Schools suck relative to the rest of the industrialized world. It's time to make major changes or close them down and find better alternatives.

 

[hadit]

You don't have to have a great education yourself to give your child one. There are resources that make that possible.

Of course there are. That's where the ones with the high SATs come from. Many don't take advantage of those resources, and nothing in federal law says they have to. If there were requirements for parents to use those resources, or to determine if the child is being taught anything, then home schooling might be a viable option.

If the parents want their kids to go on to college, they have to take the SAT's just like everyone else. We don't see large numbers of home schooled children suffering because they didn't get s good education. Just the opposite.

How do you know?

Because of there was an epidemic of them, it would make the news just like failing government schools do.

Where is this epidemic of failing government schools? I keep hearing know-it-alls outside the field of education spouting this BS, but no one can ever point to any proof that "government schools" are failing.

BTW, most people seem to forget that we are a government of the the people, so in essence you are saying that our "people schools" are failing. Are there some schools who need major improvement? Perhaps. The real problem in our schools is the raw materials being provided by our society are failing in terms of quality.

There is a great line that describes manufacturing as well as education: You can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit".

And home schooling parents are dealing with their own instead of dumping them on society.

 

[hadit]

You don't have to have a great education yourself to give your child one. There are resources that make that possible.

Of course there are. That's where the ones with the high SATs come from. Many don't take advantage of those resources, and nothing in federal law says they have to. If there were requirements for parents to use those resources, or to determine if the child is being taught anything, then home schooling might be a viable option.

If the parents want their kids to go on to college, they have to take the SAT's just like everyone else. We don't see large numbers of home schooled children suffering because they didn't get s good education. Just the opposite.

How do you know?

Because of there was an epidemic of them, it would make the news just like failing government schools do.

With no monitoring, who is to complain? You think the home school parents are going to demand less home schooling?

Where are the uneducated of today coming from, home schools or government schools?

The reality remains, parents can give their kids a good education at home.

 

[BULLDOG]

Of course there are. That's where the ones with the high SATs come from. Many don't take advantage of those resources, and nothing in federal law says they have to. If there were requirements for parents to use those resources, or to determine if the child is being taught anything, then home schooling might be a viable option.

If the parents want their kids to go on to college, they have to take the SAT's just like everyone else. We don't see large numbers of home schooled children suffering because they didn't get s good education. Just the opposite.

How do you know?

Because of there was an epidemic of them, it would make the news just like failing government schools do.

With no monitoring, who is to complain? You think the home school parents are going to demand less home schooling?

Where are the uneducated of today coming from, home schools or government schools?

The reality remains, parents can give their kids a good education at home.

It is a possibility, but not the reality for most.

 

[rightwinger]

Free public school education has been the great equalizer in this country

And once again that is merely a general opinion not something which can be demonstrated.

It has been demonstrated millions of times over

No it never has the burden is on you to demonstrate it not some vague other.

Poor children from struggling families could never afford an education
Free public education made it possible to succeed

Thanks for the history lesson. US Public Schools suck relative to the rest of the industrialized world. It's time to make major changes or close them down and find better alternatives.

Other nations have centrally controlled education
We farm it out to local communities

 

[rightwinger]

Of course there are. That's where the ones with the high SATs come from. Many don't take advantage of those resources, and nothing in federal law says they have to. If there were requirements for parents to use those resources, or to determine if the child is being taught anything, then home schooling might be a viable option.

If the parents want their kids to go on to college, they have to take the SAT's just like everyone else. We don't see large numbers of home schooled children suffering because they didn't get s good education. Just the opposite.

How do you know?

Because of there was an epidemic of them, it would make the news just like failing government schools do.

With no monitoring, who is to complain? You think the home school parents are going to demand less home schooling?

Where are the uneducated of today coming from, home schools or government schools?

The reality remains, parents can give their kids a good education at home.

Nothing shows homeschool kids do better than if they were in a public school environment

 

[BULLDOG]

If the parents want their kids to go on to college, they have to take the SAT's just like everyone else. We don't see large numbers of home schooled children suffering because they didn't get s good education. Just the opposite.

How do you know?

Because of there was an epidemic of them, it would make the news just like failing government schools do.

With no monitoring, who is to complain? You think the home school parents are going to demand less home schooling?

Where are the uneducated of today coming from, home schools or government schools?

The reality remains, parents can give their kids a good education at home.

Nothing shows homeschool kids do better than if they were in a public school environment

There is nothing showing anything about home schoolers. Some do OK, or even good in college, but there is no way of knowing how the majority do.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Are you saying the racial makeup of the local school doesn’t play into the decision to homeschool?

I'm saying people decide to home school for many reasons. Insisting they're racist is just plain hateful and stupid.

Unfortunately, in many cases it is true. It is not plain hateful and stupid.

You can find racists everywhere, but to make a blanket statement that all home schooling parents are doing it because they are IS hateful and stupid.

I think you need to look up the term "blanket statement" because you obviously do not understand it.

To say parents home school so their kids don't have to play with Negros isn't a blanket statement?

Not for many on this board, no, it is not.

 

[The Irish Ram]

And believe me if I home schools I'd teach them to be hard core socialist as my wife and her parents are hard core.

So your idea of homeschooling is to teach them how to fill out HUD applications, and use their food stamp card...

Is English not your first language? Read with comprehension. And stop lying. You're embarrassing.

Homeschooling-- where you can pretend that the Bible is science and there are no people of color and you can discriminate against anyone you want.

Because Jesus

To the contrary, home schoolers learn science and math and how to write, while public school teaches how to color and knit vagina hats for George Soros.
^And I bet you have one..

 

[rightwinger]

And believe me if I home schools I'd teach them to be hard core socialist as my wife and her parents are hard core.

So your idea of homeschooling is to teach them how to fill out HUD applications, and use their food stamp card...

Is English not your first language? Read with comprehension. And stop lying. You're embarrassing.

Homeschooling-- where you can pretend that the Bible is science and there are no people of color and you can discriminate against anyone you want.

Because Jesus

To the contrary, home schoolers learn science and math and how to write, while public school teaches how to color and knit vagina hats for George Soros.
^And I bet you have one..

Yes

Because mommy is an expert in Chemistry, Calculus and Physics

 

[jillian]

And believe me if I home schools I'd teach them to be hard core socialist as my wife and her parents are hard core.

So your idea of homeschooling is to teach them how to fill out HUD applications, and use their food stamp card...

Is English not your first language? Read with comprehension. And stop lying. You're embarrassing.

Homeschooling-- where you can pretend that the Bible is science and there are no people of color and you can discriminate against anyone you want.

Because Jesus

To the contrary, home schoolers learn science and math and how to write, while public school teaches how to color and knit vagina hats for George Soros.
^And I bet you have one..

interestingly, contrary to the febrile delusions of crazed rightwingnuts, no teacher teaches politics unless they're a politics science teacher.

hint: creation is not science and teaching that it is not science is not political.

 

[The Irish Ram]

If mommy doesn't know the answer she is smart enough to find the one who does...
Home schooled kids are smarter, no matter how much you protest.


Nothing crazed about where we stand in the world. We don't even make the top ten in education, but we are #2 in ignorance.

1. South Korea (1.30)
2. Japan (1.03)
3. Singapore (0.99)
4. Hong Kong (0.96)
5. Finland (0.92)
6. United Kingdom (0.67)
7. Canada (0.60)
8. Netherlands (0.58)
9. Ireland (0.51)
10. Poland (0.50
    education | Ranking America
    
    
    And as far as science vs Bible, who said it first? There are 10 dimensions. 4 seen, 6 unseen?

 

[jillian]

If mommy doesn't know the answer she is smart enough to find the one who does...
Home schooled kids are smarter, no matter how much you protest.


Nothing crazed about where we stand in the world. We don't even make the top ten in education, but we are #2 in ignorance.

1. South Korea (1.30)
2. Japan (1.03)
3. Singapore (0.99)
4. Hong Kong (0.96)
5. Finland (0.92)
6. United Kingdom (0.67)
7. Canada (0.60)
8. Netherlands (0.58)
9. Ireland (0.51)
10. Poland (0.50
    education | Ranking America
    
    

yah... our educational levels aren't where they should be because religious zealots refuse to allow their kids to learn science. that is only one reason blue states have higher educational levels than red states....

Mississippi anyone?

 

[The Irish Ram]

Teach them what Hawking has revealed, and how he reached his conclusion. Then teach them the same thing that Maimonides revealed, and how he reached his conclusion. Because they BOTH reached the SAME conclusion. 4 seen, 6 unseen. Only difference is Maimonides realized it 8 centuries ago. From Genesis...
Science is merely the act of discovering how God works..

 

[The Irish Ram]

If mommy doesn't know the answer she is smart enough to find the one who does...
Home schooled kids are smarter, no matter how much you protest.


Nothing crazed about where we stand in the world. We don't even make the top ten in education, but we are #2 in ignorance.

1. South Korea (1.30)
2. Japan (1.03)
3. Singapore (0.99)
4. Hong Kong (0.96)
5. Finland (0.92)
6. United Kingdom (0.67)
7. Canada (0.60)
8. Netherlands (0.58)
9. Ireland (0.51)
10. Poland (0.50
    education | Ranking America

yah... our educational levels aren't where they should be because religious zealots refuse to allow their kids to learn science. that is only one reason blue states have higher educational levels than red states....

Mississippi anyone?

Except when the Bible actually was taught in schools our standing in the world wide educational community was much better. #1 in fact.
So actually, it is the reverse of what you say that is true.

See? You would have know that if you had been home schooled...