Holy Mother of God.. Scarey stuff...

[RetiredGySgt]

What a dumb Ass. First off you tards the lecture you are all drooling over is from 2006. Second Congress is controlled by Democrats, no chance of a war with Iran unless THEY support it. Third, last I checked Ritter is not even a military man. He admits he has NO knowledge of the plans or contingencies of the Military, no knowledge of troops strength, no training to tell US what strategic and operational moves the US military will take.

The man is a dumb ass.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Does Israel have bombers?

Don't need bombers, their smaller aircraft can carry nukes if the bombs are made for their weapons racks.

In the 50's we had a small plane , can't remember which one at the moment, that was designed to deliver a nuke, it had real long landing gear and as I recall made for take off and landing problems. But it was in service for quite some time as I recall.

 

[Diuretic]

Don't need bombers, their smaller aircraft can carry nukes if the bombs are made for their weapons racks.

In the 50's we had a small plane , can't remember which one at the moment, that was designed to deliver a nuke, it had real long landing gear and as I recall made for take off and landing problems. But it was in service for quite some time as I recall.

Thunderchief?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Thunderchief?

pretty sure it was A- something. I will look in one of my military games and see if I can find it.

 

[Diuretic]

Hmmm A-1 or A-4?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Hmmm A-1 or A-4?

Want to say 1, but really can't remember.

 

[Paulie]

I hope the Iranians wipe out San Francisco. But wait, didn't he say they're not really a threat? So if we nuke them, what the hell are they going to do about it?

I love the way he lectures people as well. As if he has all the knowledge in the world and we're just a bunch of dumbasses to stupid to know anything.


Scott Ritter

You hope we get nuked. That's so swell.

But apprently you are too stupid to know anything, because he obviously wasn't insinuating that Iran would directly respond with their own nuclear weapons. He was saying that there would most likely be Islamic backlash from all around. I'm sure any random Palestinian terrorist would jump at the chance to be a part of getting some kind of nuclear weapon into the country to detonate in a major city, as payback for attacking the country who supposedly finances them.

You and your wife are a some pieces of work, let me tell you. I can just imagine what your wife must look like, with that trucker mouth of hers. 250 lbs, a cig hanging from her lip at all times, with a voice deeper than Barry White. Between the both of you, you could probably be the sole figureheads for the White Trash movement.

 

[Diuretic]

Our Navy used the A-4 when we had a carrier (stop laughing ).

 

[RetiredGySgt]

A-1 was propellor so it must have been the A-4.

McDonnell Douglas A-4 Skyhawk - History, Specifications and Pictures - World Military Aircraft

 

[Diuretic]

That's it. Our Kiwi mates were still using them up until a few years ago. Somewhere I have a tee shirt from the RNZAF museum in Christchurch with a bunch of A-4s on it.

 

[dread]

You hope we get nuked. That's so swell.

But apprently you are too stupid to know anything, because he obviously wasn't insinuating that Iran would directly respond with their own nuclear weapons. He was saying that there would most likely be Islamic backlash from all around. I'm sure any random Palestinian terrorist would jump at the chance to be a part of getting some kind of nuclear weapon into the country to detonate in a major city, as payback for attacking the country who supposedly finances them.

You and your wife are a some pieces of work, let me tell you. I can just imagine what your wife must look like, with that trucker mouth of hers. 250 lbs, a cig hanging from her lip at all times, with a voice deeper than Barry White. Between the both of you, you could probably be the sole figureheads for the White Trash movement.

ROTFLMAO.


Thats the great thing about the internet. You only IMAGINE you have an idea of what others look like. I WISH I had a deep voice. Then I would actually sound kind of sultry. But alas I have a very soft voice which confuses people all the more about me when I swear. That and I look like Jaime Curtis, drive a Saab and own a wardrobe of business suits. I weigh about half of what you claim and while I do smoke I am a closet smoker. I dont gamble or drink. I just exercise a whole lot.


Basically I am just a barrel full of contradictions that not even my husband can seem to get a hold of.


Oh and fuck those Islamic turds! People need to stop worrying about what others think about them. Maybe THEN we can get something done.

 

[Swamp Fox]

You hope we get nuked. That's so swell.

No, I hope San Francisco gets nuked. If we only have to lose one city to eliminate this threat, losing San Francisco isn't really a loss so why not? Losing San Francisco would mean the gloves are finally off and we would go after these idiots the way we should have been from the get go, all out.

But apprently you are too stupid to know anything, because he obviously wasn't insinuating that Iran would directly respond with their own nuclear weapons. He was saying that there would most likely be Islamic backlash from all around. I'm sure any random Palestinian terrorist would jump at the chance to be a part of getting some kind of nuclear weapon into the country to detonate in a major city, as payback for attacking the country who supposedly finances them.

I know exactly what he was saying, and I'm saying he's full of shit! We've been at war with Islam (according to them) since 2001 and I haven't seen anything that makes me fear them. Anyone that thinks a muslim backlash is something to fear shouldn't be advising people.

You and your wife are a some pieces of work, let me tell you. I can just imagine what your wife must look like, with that trucker mouth of hers. 250 lbs, a cig hanging from her lip at all times, with a voice deeper than Barry White. Between the both of you, you could probably be the sole figureheads for the White Trash movement.

Once again, talking out of your ass. You don't have a fucking clue about me or the missus.
But I'll bet your other half probably looks like the west end of an eastbound mule, but doesn't smell as nice.

 

[editec]

Certainly we can win awar against Iran.

But can we win the peace that follows?

 

[sealybobo]

Certainly we can win awar against Iran.

But can we win the peace that follows?

ANOTHER THOM HARTMANN PIECE I THOUGHT YOU'D ENJOY:

It was Reagan who began the deliberate and intentional destruction of the United States of America when he famously cracked (and then incessantly repeated): "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"

Reagan, like George W. Bush after him, failed to understand that when people come together into community, and then into nationhood, that they organize themselves to protect themselves from predators, both human and corporate, both domestic and foreign. This form of organization is called government.

But the Reagan/Bush ideologues don't "believe" in government, in anything other than a military and police capacity. Government should punish, they agree, but it should never nurture, protect, or defend individuals. Nurturing and protecting, they suggest, is the more appropriate role of religious institutions, private charities, families, and - perhaps most important - corporations.

Let the corporations handle your old-age pension. Let the corporations decide how much protection we and our environment need from their toxics. Let the corporations decide what we're paid. Let the corporations decide what doctor we can see, when, and for what purpose.

This is the exact opposite of the vision for which the Founders of this nation fought and died. When Thomas Jefferson changed John Locke's "Life, liberty, and private property" to "Live, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness," it was the first time in the history of the world that a newly founded nation had written the word "happiness" into its founding document. The phrase "promote the general welfare" - another revolutionary concept - first appeared in the preamble to our Constitution in 1787.

Talk show cons and TV talking head cons and political cons - both Republican and DLC Democratic - repeat the mantra of "smaller government," and Americans nod their heads in agreement, not realizing the hidden agenda at work.

Reagan was the first American president to actually preach that his own job was a bad thing. He once said, "Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first." One can only assume he was speaking of himself and his fellow Republicans, and certainly the current Congress's devotion to the interests of inherited wealth and large corporations displays how badly his philosophy has corrupted a role so noble it drew idealists like Jefferson, Lincoln, and the two Roosevelts.

But cons can't imagine anybody wanting to devote their lives to the service of their nation. The highest calling in their minds is to make profit.

As Reagan said: "The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them away."

This mind-set - that the only purpose for service in government is to set up the interests of business - may account for why not a single military-eligible member of the Bush or Cheney families has enlisted in their parents' "Noble Cause," whereas all four sons of Franklin Roosevelt joined and each was decorated - on merit - for bravery in the deadly conflict of World War II.

There are, after all, no reasons in the conservative worldview for government service other than self-enrichment. As Ronald Reagan said: "Politics is not a bad profession. If you succeed there are many rewards, if you disgrace yourself you can always write a book."

What they don't say is that the reason they want to remove government in its protective capacity is because they can then make an enormous amount of money, and have a lot of control over people's lives, when they privatize former governmental functions. They want a power vacuum, so corporations and the rich can step in. And with no limits on the inheritability of riches after the "death tax" is ended, wealth vast enough to take over the government can emerge.

Given this conservative world-view, it shouldn't surprise us that in 2001 George W. Bush appointed his 2000 presidential campaign manager (Joseph Albaugh) as head of FEMA, or that two years later Albaugh would have left FEMA to start a consulting firm to marry corporations with Iraq "reconstruction" federal dollars, and put in charge of FEMA his assistant (and old college roommate), an equally unqualified former failed executive with the International Arabian Horse Association.

It also shouldn't surprise us that although Dick Cheney has stayed on vacation in Wyoming through all of this, his company, Halliburton, has already obtained a multi-million-dollar contract to profit from Hurricane Katrina's cleanup.

It's not that these conservatives are incompetent or stupid. When their interests are at stake, they can be very efficient. Consider when Hurricane Charley hit Jeb Bush's state - a year earlier than Katrina - on the second weekend of August, 2004, just months before the elections. The White House website notes:

As of noon Monday [the day after the hurricane left], in response to Hurricane Frances, FEMA and other Federal response agencies have taken the following actions:

-- About one hundred trucks of water and 280 trucks of ice are present or will arrive in the Jacksonville staging area today. 900,000 Meals-Ready-to-Eat are on site in Jacksonville, ready to be distributed.

-- Over 7,000 cases of food (e.g., vegetables, fruits, cheese, ham, and turkey) are scheduled to arrive in Winter Haven today. Disaster Medical Assistance Teams (DMAT) are on the ground and setting up comfort stations. FEMA community relations personnel will coordinate with DMATs to assist victims. -- Urban Search and Rescue Teams are completing reconnaissance missions in coordination with state officials.

-- FEMA is coordinating with the Department of Energy and the state to ensure that necessary fuel supplies can be distributed throughout the state, with a special focus on hospitals and other emergency facilities that are running on generators.

-- The Army Corps of Engineers will soon begin its efforts to provide tarps to tens of thousands of owners of homes and buildings that have seen damage to their roofs.

-- The National Guard has called up 4,100 troops in Florida, as well as thousands in other nearby states to assist in the distribution of supplies and in preparation for any flooding.

-- The Departments of Health and Human Services, Veterans Affairs, and Defense together have organized 300 medical personnel to be on standby. Medical personnel will begin deployment to Florida tomorrow.

-- FEMA is coordinating public information messages with Georgia, Tennessee, Alabama, and North Carolina so that evacuees from Florida can be informed when it is safe to return. -- In addition to federal personnel already in place to respond to Hurricane Charley, 1,000 additional community relations personnel are being deployed to Atlanta for training and further assignment in Florida.



All of this aid was vitally important to Bush family political fortunes in the upcoming election of 2004. Disaster relief checks were in the mail within a week. In just the first thirteen days after Hurricane Charley hit Florida, the White House web site notes that the Bush administration had succeeded in:

-- Registering approximately 136,000 assistance applicants
-- Approving over 13,500 applications for more than $59 million in housing assistance

-- Establishing 12 disaster recovery centers, which have assisted nearly 19,000 disaster victims

-- Deploying medical teams that have seen nearly 3,000 patients

-- Disbursing 1.2 million liters of water, 8.1 million pounds of ice, and 2 million meals and snacks

-- Delivering over 20,000 rolls of plastic sheeting and nearly 170 generators

-- Treating more than 2,900 individuals through FEMA Disaster Medical Assistance Teams, supporting damaged hospitals

That, of course, was for a Republican State, with a Republican governor, the crony brother of the President. Republicans needed to act like they cared about governing, because they wanted people to vote for them three months later.

But now, with no election looming and with death stalking a Democratic State with a Democratic Governor unrelated to the President, we once again see the Reagan philosophy held ascendant. Bush's call to action? "Send cash to the Red Cross." One of those "thousand points of light" non-governmental organizations his father told us about.

As Brian Gurney, a listener from California, noted: "You can't govern if you don't believe in government."

But you sure can make a buck, and take care of your brother, your campaign manager, and your vice president's company.

 

[Jeepers]

Certainly we can win awar against Iran.

But can we win the peace that follows?

That depends on whether or not we can keep the CIA out of the region...

 

[Tech_Esq]

That depends on whether or not we can keep the CIA out of the region...

That would be a fantastic idea! Maybe we can all gouge our eyes out too! Then we could be just as blind as you would have our country. Keep up the good work!

 

[Jeepers]

That depends on whether or not we can keep the CIA out of the region...

That would be a fantastic idea! Maybe we can all gouge our eyes out too! Then we could be just as blind as you would have our country. Keep up the good work!

Lets see.. multiple coups in Iraq, big on in Iran... trained those that trained alquaeda... kudos...

Yeah.. maybe they can stay the fuck out of the middle east...

 

[busara]

No, I hope San Francisco gets nuked. If we only have to lose one city to eliminate this threat, losing San Francisco isn't really a loss so why not? Losing San Francisco would mean the gloves are finally off and we would go after these idiots the way we should have been from the get go, all out.

and why can we afford to lose san francisco? because the people who live there have different beliefs than you do?

 

[Paulie]

No, I hope San Francisco gets nuked. If we only have to lose one city to eliminate this threat, losing San Francisco isn't really a loss so why not? Losing San Francisco would mean the gloves are finally off and we would go after these idiots the way we should have been from the get go, all out.

You're a sick fuck. I suppose you wouldn't mind seeing San fran nuked because of how liberal it is. Nevermind all the innocent children that have no fucking allegiance to any political ideology.

People like you give conservatism a bad name, and that's putting it lightly. I love how it's not cool around here to talk about a presidential candidate getting bumped off because people don't agree with their politics, but it's perfectly ok for you to say you'd like to see a whole US city get nuked, simply because it's the most liberal city in the country.

And you are a cop??? You're a fucking cop, but you want a city to get nuked. If you ever pulled me over, I'd stab you in your fucking eye and piss in the hole you piece of festering horse shit.

 

[Epsilon Delta]

This is a good thing.

Just one of those things would send the message that we wont be messed with any more.

I think most people don't realise that these two worlds can't coexist.

Islam can not tolerate other religions like Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism and Hindus can.

They believe it's us or them. We need to do the same.

It's a fact. We will eventually have to take this part of the world down.

We should have gotten Nuclear 15 years ago but we had a soft egomaniac running the show.

If McCain gets in we'll definitely be dropping a few of those on IRAN.

Reagan would have, that's why the hostages were released. I could hear him now "let'em go or fry , it's up to you"...

What a pride, a sword-rattling crusader! Yes, bomb 'em all!

Reagan didn't get any hostages released by bombing anything- he got it by selling weapons to "terrorist" Iran to fund his own terrorists in Nicaragua.