Holocaust or Holohoax?

[Sunni Man]

I think that holocaust denial should be illegal. It is documented in the greatest detail. The gas chambers can be visted today and the plans can be still seen as well as delivery notes for gas cannisters in the German language. It is unfortunately that a muslim man is taking this stance, thereby reinforcing the image of the muslim who hates Jews.

Why do people like you think that discussing the details of the so call holocaust is somehow hating jews?

Historians and scholars endlessly debate every event since the beginning of time.

So why should the so called holocaust be exempt from historical research?

 

[Sunni Man]

You know what would kind of prove the gas chambers? The amount of dead people in piles. I guess they all just died from motion sickness on the train they were forced into on the way to the non-existent gas chamber which they died in. Maybe they were actually hospitals using gas treatments that didn't work out.

Of course many inmates at the work camps died of disease and lack of food.

But there is no physical evidence to back up the highly inflated 6 million figure.

 

[Esmeralda]

Okay, so what happened to the millions of Jews who disappeared from Europe during WWII?

Why did the vacate their homes and businesses? Why did they leave all their belongings behind? Where did they go? Did aliens from outer space come and take them away?

Of course large numbers of jews where rounded up and placed in work camps. That is not disputed.

Fortunately, the vast majority survived the work camps. Which is why soo many people claim to have known a jewish person with a set of numbers tattooed on their arm.

Which is why the claim of 6 million perishing is clearly fraudulent.

This doesn't answer the question. Where did 6 million people go? Where did they disappear to?

And what about all the photos of the dead and the records the Nazis kept of the death camps?

 

[Esmeralda]

I think that holocaust denial should be illegal. It is documented in the greatest detail. The gas chambers can be visted today and the plans can be still seen as well as delivery notes for gas cannisters in the German language. It is unfortunately that a muslim man is taking this stance, thereby reinforcing the image of the muslim who hates Jews.

Why do people like you think that discussing the details of the so call holocaust is somehow hating jews?

Historians and scholars endlessly debate every event since the beginning of time.

So why should the so called holocaust be exempt from historical research?

Historians and scholars do not debate whether or not 6 million people died in Nazi death camps. Historians and scholars are the ones who record and disseminate the information about this event.

 

[Sunni Man]

This doesn't answer the question. Where did 6 million go? Where did they disappear to?

There never was any missing 6 million jews in the first place.

6 million is just a fantasy number concocted by the inventors of the Holocaust myth. .....

 

[irosie91]

So why should the so called holocaust be exempt from historical research?[/QUOTE]

good point-----why should the "so called" nabi----and the book written 100 years after his death be exempt from historical research? In fact it is a capital crime in the
most barbaric nations of the world to do so. DEATH WARRANTS have been issued
against persons seeking honest inquiry

 

[Sunni Man]

5. The British Secret Service Monitored All Concentration Camp Deaths:

Using some of the World’s first computers the British Secret Service had cracked the German top-secret Enigma code and had access to most German Military communications by 1942. Sir Frank H. Hinsley, in his book British Intelligence In The Second World War ; It’s Influence On Strategy And Operations, stated “The returns of Auschwitz mentioned illness as the main cause of death but included references to shootings and hangings. There were no references in the decrypts to gassings.” The numbers of dead in the decoded messages tallied exactly with Red Cross and German Military records of the time. The British Secret Service also monitored various atrocities carried out by the Germans across the rest of Europe – why would the Germans report these to Berlin but not the alleged gas chambers at Auschwitz and other camps?

 

[irosie91]

5. The British Secret Service Monitored All Concentration Camp Deaths:

Using some of the World’s first computers the British Secret Service had cracked the German top-secret Enigma code and had access to most German Military communications by 1942. Sir Frank H. Hinsley, in his book British Intelligence In The Second World War ; It’s Influence On Strategy And Operations, stated “The returns of Auschwitz mentioned illness as the main cause of death but included references to shootings and hangings. There were no references in the decrypts to gassings.” The numbers of dead in the decoded messages tallied exactly with Red Cross and German Military records of the time. The British Secret Service also monitored various atrocities carried out by the Germans across the rest of Europe – why would the Germans report these to Berlin but not the alleged gas chambers at Auschwitz and other camps?

absence of information in a specific modality of record keeping---implies nothing at all -----you are grasping at straws. There is nothing at all about muhummad
in the extensive writings of medieval European scholars at the time of the proposed existence of that "person"

 

[irosie91]

PS---there were no computers in 1942-----the closest pre computer things were primitive key punch machines

 

[Sunni Man]

6. The French Resistance Denied The Holocaust:

During World War Two Germany invaded France and occupied Northern France from 1940 to 1944. A secret army of French Patriots known collectively as “The French Resistance” fought the German occupiers in various ways. A large number of French Resistance members were imprisoned, tortured and executed including their leader, and French National hero, Jean Moulin. After World War Two French resistance members were released from various German concentration camps, including Auschwitz and other alleged death camps. On their return to France they all gave horrific accounts of their treatment by the Germans, and were full of hatred for them because of the events of World War Two. However they all denied any knowledge of gas chambers and a mass murder programme in the concentration camps.

 

[irosie91]

6. The French Resistance Denied The Holocaust:

During World War Two Germany invaded France and occupied Northern France from 1940 to 1944. A secret army of French Patriots known collectively as “The French Resistance” fought the German occupiers in various ways. A large number of French Resistance members were imprisoned, tortured and executed including their leader, and French National hero, Jean Moulin. After World War Two French resistance members were released from various German concentration camps, including Auschwitz and other alleged death camps. On their return to France they all gave horrific accounts of their treatment by the Germans, and were full of hatred for them because of the events of World War Two. However they all denied any knowledge of gas chambers and a mass murder programme in the concentration camps.

the intellect of islamo Nazis fascinates me. It first fascinated me as a child when I
read the islamo Nazi literature and later on became even more fascinating when
I encountered young physicians educated in islamo Nazi lands (mostly Pakistan)---It reached its crescendo when I visited a mosque---way back then ---and listened to the JUMAH lecture. The above description is a delight-----it conveys the notion that imprisoned enemies of Germany were granted full inspection rights
of the goings on of the Nazi war machine----by german standards CRIMINAL TERRORISTS , no less, of the enemy army----imprisoned and many executed. According to sunni they were free to roam and to inspect and to mingle and to visit the local pizza shop. Anything the person telling his story
either missed or did not mention CLEARLY---in islamo logic ----MUST HAVE NEVER HAPPENED. My grandfather was one of ten kids----he left six brothers
in Austria-------they and their families ----are all dead. AUSCHWITZ The witnessed deaths were not by gas-----two little girls-----the islamo Nazi grabbed them by the ankles and smashed their heads against brick walls. There was a picture in my grandparents house---two little girls with white bows in their hair----
a snap shot done sometime in the mid 1930s. Of all those dead---the only two I knew were witnessed were the two small girls-- murdered islamo Nazi
style.

 

[Sunni Man]

The lynch pin of the whole Holocaust narrative hangs on the disputed existence of gas chambers and the alleged missing 6 million jews.

Without those two elements the Holocaust is nothing but a Holohoax. .....

 

[irosie91]

The lynch pin of the whole Holocaust narrative hangs on the disputed existence of gas chambers and the alleged missing 6 million jews.

Without those two elements the Holocaust is nothing but a Holohoax. .....

your statement makes ABSOLUTELY no sense----but it is typical

 

[Silent Warrior]

I guess we will have to dismiss all of the eye witness testimony, including photographs and film, of those GI's who were first into the freed death camps and were astounded by what they found. They are probably all liars and had super advanced equipment to photoshop their pictures. After all, someone who was too young to have been there and seems to have grown up hearing antisemitic drivel is way more apt know the truth.

 

[Sunni Man]

No one is denying that there were work camps and the inmates lived in deplorable conditions.

But what is in doubt is the existence of gas chambers for the mass killing of people.

And the disputed number of people who perished at the camps.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

How does one have a "clean" debate, when the topic, itself, is so dirty?

There seems to be a pattern here in the CDZ where the most extreme haters use it to promote the most egregious transgressions of human decency, and to do so by limiting the responses they can receive.

What's next -- a "clean" debate on why children should be legitimate targets for sexual exploitation or a "clean" debate on why abortion rights should not stop at childbirth?

 

[Sunni Man]

The reason I put this topic in the CDZ was to allow the OP to be discussed without all of the personal attacks.

It's a relevant topic which deserves honest and open debate by all members.

 

[Silent Warrior]

No one is denying that there were work camps and the inmates lived in deplorable conditions.

But what is in doubt is the existence of gas chambers for the mass killing of people.

And the disputed number of people who perished at the camps.

Those first into the camps entered and documented the gas chambers and ovens. They left detailed accounts of what they saw and many photos exist. Perhaps this thread should be moved to the conspiracy theories topic. After all you are saying almost the entire world conspired to perpetrate this alleged hoax.

 

[Sunni Man]

Those first into the camps entered and documented the gas chambers and ovens. They left detailed accounts of what they saw and many photos exist. Perhaps this thread should be moved to the conspiracy theories topic. After all you are saying almost the entire world conspired to perpetrate this alleged hoax.

There was no written documentation of gas chambers by the Allies when they liberated the camps.

Gen. Eisenhower never mentioned any gas chambers when wrote his extensive memoirs after the war. .....

 

[irosie91]

The reason I put this topic in the CDZ was to allow the OP to be discussed without all of the personal attacks.

It's a relevant topic which deserves honest and open debate by all members.

the topic has been treated extensively----in fact holocaust denial was invented in the islamo Nazi camp before the murder spree was started. The denial was inspired
by the success of the ARMENIAN GENOCIDE which was carried out in the name of
shariah "law" and in honor of islam. Adolf admired Islamic ideology and methods.