hitler a threat to American Jews?

[irosie91]

There is certainly a tradition in conservative religious circles to blame the Jews for killing Jesus, so I doubt it would have been a stretch for Germany to manipulate that sentiment.

....I grew up Catholic and we were never anti-Semitic..we were never indoctrinated that it was the Jews' fault ..and I went to a pre-seminary high school

when? I was in high school when Pope John XXlll----suddenly came
up with the novel idea that jews of today have nothing to do with
killing Jesus-------the catholic kids took it well----but some of the
protestants were INDIGNANT. It was about 1964 (?)

....but could hitler have enabled anti-Semites to attack/etc Jews AND could they have gotten away with it?

People back then----and even before Hitler-----did not NEED Hitler to
attack jews but his MINIONS produced extensive literature
an promulgated it in the USA-------SHEEEEESH you lived a very protected life

 

[ding]

There is certainly a tradition in conservative religious circles to blame the Jews for killing Jesus, so I doubt it would have been a stretch for Germany to manipulate that sentiment.

There was a 25 point plan for the German Democratic Socialist Party. They were as liberal as can be.

 

[irosie91]

There is certainly a tradition in conservative religious circles to blame the Jews for killing Jesus, so I doubt it would have been a stretch for Germany to manipulate that sentiment.

That isn’t true.

If you believe that Jesus was given up as a sacrifice for our sins to reconcile justice with mercy, then you must believe that we all killed Christ.

I have an ironclad alibi-------I was too young

 

[irosie91]

I've never studied or read much on anti-Semitism in the US...

feel free to ask questions------I actually read the hardcore stuff because
the little sleazy pamphlets were ALL OVER. ----and my childhood town
had been "restricted" until the post war baby boom made
selling houses just too profitable. When I was a kid----there was not
a single black family in the town----when my famly moved in----5
little jewish kids--------some women SWOONED.

....could there have been a significant amount of attacks on Jews with no arrests--because of hitler? can this been validated?

what are you calling attacks? back then kids jumping other kids
was not considered "criminal" -----it was just KIDS BEING KIDS.
Vandalisms were simply untraceable STUFF done by J D's

 

[Mike Dwight]

Man I don't even talk about it. That and the Koreans. Well, There's 14 million Jews in the world today. Think about it. 7 million in Israel and 7 million went straight here, THATS IT! That's almost basically it. And painful European memories. I mean at that date, killing 6 million Jews is like a freaking Holocaust. There are already American Jews, I forget, and I think a Jewish immigration wave from the war, and they're different.

 

[Dekster]

There is certainly a tradition in conservative religious circles to blame the Jews for killing Jesus, so I doubt it would have been a stretch for Germany to manipulate that sentiment.

....I grew up Catholic and we were never anti-Semitic..we were never indoctrinated that it was the Jews' fault ..and I went to a pre-seminary high school

Good for you. In the mean time....

 

[Dekster]

There is certainly a tradition in conservative religious circles to blame the Jews for killing Jesus, so I doubt it would have been a stretch for Germany to manipulate that sentiment.

That isn’t true.

If you believe that Jesus was given up as a sacrifice for our sins to reconcile justice with mercy, then you must believe that we all killed Christ.

It is true and I must not believe any such thing.

 

[ding]

There is certainly a tradition in conservative religious circles to blame the Jews for killing Jesus, so I doubt it would have been a stretch for Germany to manipulate that sentiment.

That isn’t true.

If you believe that Jesus was given up as a sacrifice for our sins to reconcile justice with mercy, then you must believe that we all killed Christ.

It is true and I must not believe any such thing.

It is the logical conclusion. If sin had never existed then there would be no need for a sacrifice. So since you sin, you were in part responsible for his death. We all are.

 

[ding]

On the cross, Jesus literally became our sin. Past, present and future.

 

[Dekster]

There is certainly a tradition in conservative religious circles to blame the Jews for killing Jesus, so I doubt it would have been a stretch for Germany to manipulate that sentiment.

There was a 25 point plan for the German Democratic Socialist Party. They were as liberal as can be.

LOL--of that list from the 20's, the autocratic, heavy-handed conservative points were the only ones ever achieved.

1. Unification of Greater Germany (Austria + Germany)
2. Land + expansion
3. Anti-Versailles - abrogation of the Treaty.
4. Land and territory - lebensraum.
5. Only a "member of the race" can be a citizen.
6. Anti-semitism - No Jew can be a member of the race.
7. Anti-foreigner - only citizens can live in Germany.
8. No immigration - ref. to Jews fleeing pograms.
9. Everyone must work.
10. Abolition of unearned income - "no rent-slavery".
11. Nationalisation of industry
12. Divison of profits
13. Extension of old age welfare.
14. Land reform
15. Death to all criminals
16. German law, not Roman law (anti- French Rev.)
17. Education to teach "the German Way"
18. Education of gifted children
19. Protection of mother and child by outlawing child labour.
20. Encouraging gymnastics and swimming
21. Formation a national army.
22. Duty of the state to provide for its volk.
23. Duty of individuals to the state
    
    

 

[Dekster]

There is certainly a tradition in conservative religious circles to blame the Jews for killing Jesus, so I doubt it would have been a stretch for Germany to manipulate that sentiment.

That isn’t true.

If you believe that Jesus was given up as a sacrifice for our sins to reconcile justice with mercy, then you must believe that we all killed Christ.

It is true and I must not believe any such thing.

It is the logical conclusion. If sin had never existed then there would be no need for a sacrifice. So since you sin, you were in part responsible for his death. We all are.

Perhaps by your logic. Not mine.

 

[ding]

There is certainly a tradition in conservative religious circles to blame the Jews for killing Jesus, so I doubt it would have been a stretch for Germany to manipulate that sentiment.

There was a 25 point plan for the German Democratic Socialist Party. They were as liberal as can be.

LOL--of that list from the 20's, the autocratic, heavy-handed conservative points were the only ones ever achieved.

1. Unification of Greater Germany (Austria + Germany)
2. Land + expansion
3. Anti-Versailles - abrogation of the Treaty.
4. Land and territory - lebensraum.
5. Only a "member of the race" can be a citizen.
6. Anti-semitism - No Jew can be a member of the race.
7. Anti-foreigner - only citizens can live in Germany.
8. No immigration - ref. to Jews fleeing pograms.
9. Everyone must work.
10. Abolition of unearned income - "no rent-slavery".
11. Nationalisation of industry
12. Divison of profits
13. Extension of old age welfare.
14. Land reform
15. Death to all criminals
16. German law, not Roman law (anti- French Rev.)
17. Education to teach "the German Way"
18. Education of gifted children
19. Protection of mother and child by outlawing child labour.
20. Encouraging gymnastics and swimming
21. Formation a national army.
22. Duty of the state to provide for its volk.
23. Duty of individuals to the state
    

That doesn’t look familiar. Where did you get that from?

 

[Dekster]

There is certainly a tradition in conservative religious circles to blame the Jews for killing Jesus, so I doubt it would have been a stretch for Germany to manipulate that sentiment.

There was a 25 point plan for the German Democratic Socialist Party. They were as liberal as can be.

LOL--of that list from the 20's, the autocratic, heavy-handed conservative points were the only ones ever achieved.

1. Unification of Greater Germany (Austria + Germany)
2. Land + expansion
3. Anti-Versailles - abrogation of the Treaty.
4. Land and territory - lebensraum.
5. Only a "member of the race" can be a citizen.
6. Anti-semitism - No Jew can be a member of the race.
7. Anti-foreigner - only citizens can live in Germany.
8. No immigration - ref. to Jews fleeing pograms.
9. Everyone must work.
10. Abolition of unearned income - "no rent-slavery".
11. Nationalisation of industry
12. Divison of profits
13. Extension of old age welfare.
14. Land reform
15. Death to all criminals
16. German law, not Roman law (anti- French Rev.)
17. Education to teach "the German Way"
18. Education of gifted children
19. Protection of mother and child by outlawing child labour.
20. Encouraging gymnastics and swimming
21. Formation a national army.
22. Duty of the state to provide for its volk.
23. Duty of individuals to the state

That doesn’t look familiar. Where did you get that from?

Internet History Sourcebooks

 

[ding]

There is certainly a tradition in conservative religious circles to blame the Jews for killing Jesus, so I doubt it would have been a stretch for Germany to manipulate that sentiment.

That isn’t true.

If you believe that Jesus was given up as a sacrifice for our sins to reconcile justice with mercy, then you must believe that we all killed Christ.

It is true and I must not believe any such thing.

It is the logical conclusion. If sin had never existed then there would be no need for a sacrifice. So since you sin, you were in part responsible for his death. We all are.

Perhaps by your logic. Not mine.

Logic is logic. Explain how what I wrote isn’t logical.

Jesus was sacrificed for our sins.

If we had never sinned there would be no need for a sacrifice.

Ergo we are responsible for Christ’s death.

Where’s the flaw?

 

[ding]

There is certainly a tradition in conservative religious circles to blame the Jews for killing Jesus, so I doubt it would have been a stretch for Germany to manipulate that sentiment.

There was a 25 point plan for the German Democratic Socialist Party. They were as liberal as can be.

LOL--of that list from the 20's, the autocratic, heavy-handed conservative points were the only ones ever achieved.

1. Unification of Greater Germany (Austria + Germany)
2. Land + expansion
3. Anti-Versailles - abrogation of the Treaty.
4. Land and territory - lebensraum.
5. Only a "member of the race" can be a citizen.
6. Anti-semitism - No Jew can be a member of the race.
7. Anti-foreigner - only citizens can live in Germany.
8. No immigration - ref. to Jews fleeing pograms.
9. Everyone must work.
10. Abolition of unearned income - "no rent-slavery".
11. Nationalisation of industry
12. Divison of profits
13. Extension of old age welfare.
14. Land reform
15. Death to all criminals
16. German law, not Roman law (anti- French Rev.)
17. Education to teach "the German Way"
18. Education of gifted children
19. Protection of mother and child by outlawing child labour.
20. Encouraging gymnastics and swimming
21. Formation a national army.
22. Duty of the state to provide for its volk.
23. Duty of individuals to the state

That doesn’t look familiar. Where did you get that from?

Internet History Sourcebooks

Let's not sugar coat it by parsing it. Fair enough?

Platform of the National-Socialist German Workers’ Party

 

[Dekster]

There is certainly a tradition in conservative religious circles to blame the Jews for killing Jesus, so I doubt it would have been a stretch for Germany to manipulate that sentiment.

That isn’t true.

If you believe that Jesus was given up as a sacrifice for our sins to reconcile justice with mercy, then you must believe that we all killed Christ.

It is true and I must not believe any such thing.

It is the logical conclusion. If sin had never existed then there would be no need for a sacrifice. So since you sin, you were in part responsible for his death. We all are.

Perhaps by your logic. Not mine.

Logic is logic. Explain how what I wrote isn’t logical.

Jesus was sacrificed for our sins.

If we had never sinned there would be no need for a sacrifice.

Ergo we are responsible for Christ’s death.

Where’s the flaw?

1) Not everybody believes in Jesus

2) We had never been born when the crucifixion took place

3) Jesus has the opportunity to flee and chose not to. "We" in even your tortured use of the word did not force him to die. He elected to die. If anybody, God forced him to die.

 

[ding]

That isn’t true.

If you believe that Jesus was given up as a sacrifice for our sins to reconcile justice with mercy, then you must believe that we all killed Christ.

It is true and I must not believe any such thing.

It is the logical conclusion. If sin had never existed then there would be no need for a sacrifice. So since you sin, you were in part responsible for his death. We all are.

Perhaps by your logic. Not mine.

Logic is logic. Explain how what I wrote isn’t logical.

Jesus was sacrificed for our sins.

If we had never sinned there would be no need for a sacrifice.

Ergo we are responsible for Christ’s death.

Where’s the flaw?

1) Not everybody believes in Jesus

2) We had never been born when the crucifixion took place

3) Jesus has the opportunity to flee and chose not to. "We" in even your tortured use of the word did not force him to die. He elected to die. If anybody, God forced him to die.

It doesn't matter if you or anyone else believes in Jesus. It only matters what the people who believe in Jesus believed as these are the people you were referring to. These people believed sin killed Jesus.

 

[Dekster]

There is certainly a tradition in conservative religious circles to blame the Jews for killing Jesus, so I doubt it would have been a stretch for Germany to manipulate that sentiment.

There was a 25 point plan for the German Democratic Socialist Party. They were as liberal as can be.

LOL--of that list from the 20's, the autocratic, heavy-handed conservative points were the only ones ever achieved.

1. Unification of Greater Germany (Austria + Germany)
2. Land + expansion
3. Anti-Versailles - abrogation of the Treaty.
4. Land and territory - lebensraum.
5. Only a "member of the race" can be a citizen.
6. Anti-semitism - No Jew can be a member of the race.
7. Anti-foreigner - only citizens can live in Germany.
8. No immigration - ref. to Jews fleeing pograms.
9. Everyone must work.
10. Abolition of unearned income - "no rent-slavery".
11. Nationalisation of industry
12. Divison of profits
13. Extension of old age welfare.
14. Land reform
15. Death to all criminals
16. German law, not Roman law (anti- French Rev.)
17. Education to teach "the German Way"
18. Education of gifted children
19. Protection of mother and child by outlawing child labour.
20. Encouraging gymnastics and swimming
21. Formation a national army.
22. Duty of the state to provide for its volk.
23. Duty of individuals to the state

That doesn’t look familiar. Where did you get that from?

Internet History Sourcebooks

Let's not sugar coat it by parsing it. Fair enough?

Platform of the National-Socialist German Workers’ Party

1-10 is basically Trump's platform, as are others of the 25 no matter which source you use.

 

[Dekster]

It is true and I must not believe any such thing.

It is the logical conclusion. If sin had never existed then there would be no need for a sacrifice. So since you sin, you were in part responsible for his death. We all are.

Perhaps by your logic. Not mine.

Logic is logic. Explain how what I wrote isn’t logical.

Jesus was sacrificed for our sins.

If we had never sinned there would be no need for a sacrifice.

Ergo we are responsible for Christ’s death.

Where’s the flaw?

1) Not everybody believes in Jesus

2) We had never been born when the crucifixion took place

3) Jesus has the opportunity to flee and chose not to. "We" in even your tortured use of the word did not force him to die. He elected to die. If anybody, God forced him to die.

It doesn't matter if you or anyone else believes in Jesus. It only matters what the people who believe in Jesus believed as these are the people you were referring to. These people believed sin killed Jesus.

Suddenly logic isn't logic anymore to you...

 

[ding]

There is certainly a tradition in conservative religious circles to blame the Jews for killing Jesus, so I doubt it would have been a stretch for Germany to manipulate that sentiment.

There was a 25 point plan for the German Democratic Socialist Party. They were as liberal as can be.

LOL--of that list from the 20's, the autocratic, heavy-handed conservative points were the only ones ever achieved.

1. Unification of Greater Germany (Austria + Germany)
2. Land + expansion
3. Anti-Versailles - abrogation of the Treaty.
4. Land and territory - lebensraum.
5. Only a "member of the race" can be a citizen.
6. Anti-semitism - No Jew can be a member of the race.
7. Anti-foreigner - only citizens can live in Germany.
8. No immigration - ref. to Jews fleeing pograms.
9. Everyone must work.
10. Abolition of unearned income - "no rent-slavery".
11. Nationalisation of industry
12. Divison of profits
13. Extension of old age welfare.
14. Land reform
15. Death to all criminals
16. German law, not Roman law (anti- French Rev.)
17. Education to teach "the German Way"
18. Education of gifted children
19. Protection of mother and child by outlawing child labour.
20. Encouraging gymnastics and swimming
21. Formation a national army.
22. Duty of the state to provide for its volk.
23. Duty of individuals to the state

That doesn’t look familiar. Where did you get that from?

Internet History Sourcebooks

Let's not sugar coat it by parsing it. Fair enough?

Platform of the National-Socialist German Workers’ Party

The Nazi's were quintessential adherents of big government.