2aguy
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So....does the ACLU have blood on it's hands...? Tell us Anti-gunners how the ACLU is taking this position because they are trying to sell guns....
Does the ACLU want every nut to have a gun too?
This type of gun reform has bipartisan support in PA -- and surprising opposition
That the NRA came out against Stephens’ legislation is unsurprising, but the Pennsylvania chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union also released a memoopposing the bill for several reasons including “an overly broad list of criteria,” vague definitions, and the lack of a provision to remove ERPOs (Extreme Risk Protection Orders) from federal and state background check databases.
“As well-intentioned as this legislation is, its breadth and its lenient standards for both petitioning for and granting an ERPO are cause for concern,” the memo states. “People not charged with a crime should not be subject to undue deprivations of liberty interests in the absence of a clear, compelling, and immediate showing of need.”
Liz Randol, ACLU-PA’s legislative director and the author of the memo, said the organization isn’t opposed on principle to the concept. The ACLU was neutral on a red flag bill introduced last year in Colorado, while it came out strongly against Rhode Island’s.
But as originally introduced, Stephens’ bill raised due process concerns by expanding the use of search and seizure without a hearing and set up the potential for overreach by law enforcement, Randol said. It also put the burden of proof on the subject of the order to prove “by clear and convincing evidence” that they’re no longer a danger.
Does the ACLU want every nut to have a gun too?
This type of gun reform has bipartisan support in PA -- and surprising opposition
That the NRA came out against Stephens’ legislation is unsurprising, but the Pennsylvania chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union also released a memoopposing the bill for several reasons including “an overly broad list of criteria,” vague definitions, and the lack of a provision to remove ERPOs (Extreme Risk Protection Orders) from federal and state background check databases.
“As well-intentioned as this legislation is, its breadth and its lenient standards for both petitioning for and granting an ERPO are cause for concern,” the memo states. “People not charged with a crime should not be subject to undue deprivations of liberty interests in the absence of a clear, compelling, and immediate showing of need.”
Liz Randol, ACLU-PA’s legislative director and the author of the memo, said the organization isn’t opposed on principle to the concept. The ACLU was neutral on a red flag bill introduced last year in Colorado, while it came out strongly against Rhode Island’s.
But as originally introduced, Stephens’ bill raised due process concerns by expanding the use of search and seizure without a hearing and set up the potential for overreach by law enforcement, Randol said. It also put the burden of proof on the subject of the order to prove “by clear and convincing evidence” that they’re no longer a danger.
