Herod the Great’s Coins

[RodISHI]

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During the rule of John Hyrcanus II (63-40 BCE), an Idumaean convert to Judaism - Antipater - was appointed by Julius Caesar as the de facto administrator of Judaea. Idumaeans were descendants of Esau, living in Edom, a country bordering Judaea in what is now southwest Jordan, between the Dead Sea and the Gulf of Aqaba. Antipater chose his younger son, Herod, who was still only a boy, as governor of Galilee. When the last Hasmonean king, Antigonus Mattathias, was defeated and executed by order of Mark Anthony, Herod became the undisputed ruler of Judaea. When he was told that another “King of the Jews” was born, “Herod ... was exceedingly wroth, and sent forth and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years and under” (Matthew 2:16).
Herod’s coins feature innovative designs which, while not truly Jewish in character, at least do not feature any human likeness. However, it is on one of Herod the Great’s small bronze coins that a living thing is depicted for the first time since the Persian period. The eagle probably refers to the insulting golden bird that Herod placed above the Temple entrance.

Certain era's of history have been well documented through archaeology finds & coins for anyone skeptics out there. This one is a nice site for articles and info on biblical finds.
Herod sought favor among the Religious folks in his era as did many other rulers of the ancients. It is still common practice today for leaders to manipulate the crowds through religious rhetoric. Even so it olny happens if the crowds are asleep in the dust of the earth and willing to believe lies.
Another coin reference site that has some of the varied leaders of history.
The Coins of Jesus

The Coins of Herod A Modern Analysis and Die Classification Biblical Archaeology Society Article excerpt- Herod had many of his immediate family members murdered, including his wife the Hasmonean princess Mariamne (in 30/29 B.C.E.) and his two sons by Mariamne. When Augustus heard about these latter executions, he reportedly said, “It is better to be Herod’s pig than his son.” .......................
Among Herod’s “greats” were his amazing building projects—the enlargement of the Temple Mount and rebuilding the Second Temple, his palace complex at Herodium and the magnificent port of Caesarea Maritima.
At times the contemporaneous historian Flavius Josephus praises Herod for his help to the local Jewish population, but Josephus also complains that Herod was sucking the blood of the Jewish people in order to curry favor among non-Jews.
In The Coins of Herod, Ariel and Fontanille provide the most thorough analysis of Herod’s coinage to date. It also includes a die study based on examination of 2,504 specimens
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[RodISHI]

Another interesting fragment from the Dead Sea Scrolls with some information concerning Herod and Jesus is located on this website. Dead Sea Scrolls -- War Rule

 

[aris2chat]

Most posters would rather disprove a jewish connection to Israel rather than prove one exists.
Or that Judaism became null and void by christianity and later islam.

I follow archeology news and articles but not sure many others do.

Some think they know the history and evidence but they stopped learning decades ago. Search for knowledge should never end, even if it disproves what you believed.

You might get more interest in middle east or Israeli boards, though there is some crossover.

 

[RodISHI]

People deny all sorts of stuff, it does not mean they are correct, truthful or right.

It is just a hobby posting here in between searching and reading other stuff online when I have Internet access. I agree the search for knowledge and truth should not and will not end. Thank you for the input.

 

[HaShev]

Another interesting fragment from the Dead Sea Scrolls with some information concerning Herod and Jesus is located on this website. Dead Sea Scrolls -- War Rule

1)Jesus isn't mentioned in any of the scrolls, unless you want to admit the scroll
(An Aramaic Apocalypse" 4Q246 part2) about the sons of God proclaimed is regarding him and his flock killing and trampling everybody.
2) the widows mite coin in the NT is a Jannaeus Alexander coin proving my point about Jesus being a converged character out of many figures and myths.
How come you selectively notice these things like coins, but then play dumb when it reveals something you'd like to hide or run away from?

 

[aris2chat]

Another interesting fragment from the Dead Sea Scrolls with some information concerning Herod and Jesus is located on this website. Dead Sea Scrolls -- War Rule

1)Jesus isn't mentioned in any of the scrolls, unless you want to admit the scroll about the sons of God proclaimed is regarding him and his flock.
2) the widows mite coin in the NT is a Jannaeus Alexander coin proving my point about Jesus being a converged character outvof many figures and myths.
How come you selectively notice these things like coins, but then play dumb when it reveals something you'd like to hide or run away from?

The Dead Sea Scrolls and the New Testament Biblical Archaeology Society

 

[HaShev]

That's funny cause that list showing the real meaning of seeing and hearing not to be literal curing blind or deaf people is what I brought up regarding the Messiah age. That post was also comprised by what we learned in the scrolls about the messiah age bringing us things we never saw or heard before thus making those who are blind to truth and reality finally see straight, thus finally hear the word instead of being deaf dumb and blind to it, as well as straightening our path (straightening the bent) not to be confused with healing a crippled person, although in the messiah age that is part of the Tikkun Olam that is not what it meant.
So all the miracle claims and fallacious placement into texts are due to misinterpretations and using them literal instead of their true intended meaning and thus we have the comical means in which to expose those Faith healers (like our Benny Hinn thread or selective recognition topic sub thread).

 

[shimon]

Were there not a number of herods just like the different personas for the christ figure...the paul and saul scam and the apostles....one must wonder if all the herods were amalgamated as well after all they have no time frame for the jesus persona so they must take bits and pieces from the diffeent herods who were real people ...

 

[browsing deer]

Were there not a number of herods just like the different personas for the christ figure...the paul and saul scam and the apostles....one must wonder if all the herods were amalgamated as well after all they have no time frame for the jesus persona so they must take bits and pieces from the diffeent herods who were real people ...

I thought the gospels were specific as to 30 ad, during the reighn of Tiberius. They even had specific names of people, like thr proconsul there at the time.

 

[aris2chat]

Were there not a number of herods just like the different personas for the christ figure...the paul and saul scam and the apostles....one must wonder if all the herods were amalgamated as well after all they have no time frame for the jesus persona so they must take bits and pieces from the diffeent herods who were real people ...

I thought the gospels were specific as to 30 ad, during the reighn of Tiberius. They even had specific names of people, like thr proconsul there at the time.

Catholic bishops f@#$ed up the calendar and most dates of history are off by several year. The ancients use the reign of kings as date markers and not by any actual timeline over centuries let alone millenniums

 

[HaShev]

Hi browsing deer,
I once got curious as to why they claim Jesus into the King Herod era when he died in 4bc, so Shimon is correct they used the other Herod to confuse times, but also pushed hack his birthdate to try and fit the King Herod accts. However this also exposed a problem, the census was in 7bc making his acct still not fit their claims.
On a hunch I studied another figure in the accts, one named Lycanias, and guess what, I discovered he died in 35bc. The only Christ figures in the time of Herod and Lysanias are the following:

Fact: these are the only messianic figures in the time of Lysanias and King Herod.
1. Judas, son of Hezekiah (4 BCE)
2. Simon of Peraea (4 BCE)
3.Athronges, the shepherd (4 BCE)
4. Judas, the Galilean (6 CE)
The only one fitting the crucified Galilean story was Yehuda of Galilee the tax revolter. Not the same christ as the AD era christ Theudas by the Jordan who's apostles were martyrs, nor the hanged on passover sorcerer christ Yeshu son of mary in the widows mite story (Janaeus Alexander era)=100bc.

Josephus : on Yehuda:
Book 18 chapter 1 is where the heart of the info on the tax revolt and teaching of the crucified Yehuda of Galilee is mentioned.
Yet was there one Judas, a Gaulonite, HYPERLINK \l "EndNote_ANT_18.1b"(1) of a city whose name was Gamala, who, taking with him Sadduc, HYPERLINK \l "EndNote_ANT_18.2b"(2) a Pharisee, became zealous to draw them to a revolt, who both said that this taxation was no better than an introduction to slavery, and exhorted the nation to assert their liberty; as if they could procure them happiness and security for what they possessed, and an assured enjoyment of a still greater good, which was that of the honor and glory they would thereby acquire for magnanimity......
6. But of the fourth sect of Jewish philosophy, Judas the Galilean was the author. These men agree in all other things with the Pharisaic notions; but they have an inviolable attachment to liberty, and say that God is to be their only Ruler and Lord. They also do not value dying any kinds of death, nor indeed do they heed the deaths of their relations and friends, nor can any such fear make them call any man lord

NOTE: Luke once, Acts 5:37, and Josephus four several times, once here, sect. 6; and B. XX. ch. 5. sect. 2; Of the War, B. II. ch. 8. sect. 1; and ch. 17. sect. 8, calls this Judas, who was the pestilent author of that seditious doctrine and temper which brought the Jewish nation to utter destruction, a Galilean; but here (sect. 1) Josephus calls him a Gaulonite, of the city of Gamala; it is a great question where this Judas was born, whether in Galilee on the west side, or in Gaulonitis on the east side, of the river Jordan; while, in the place just now cited out of the Antiquities, B. XX. ch. 5. sect. 2, he is not only called a Galilean, but it is added to his story, "as I have signified in the books that go before these," as if he had still called him a Galilean in those Antiquities before, as well as in that particular place, as Dean Aldrich observes, Of the War, B. II. ch. 8. sect. 1.



The Sources for Yehuda:
Flavius Josephus, Jewish War 2.433 and Jewish Antiquities 18.1-10 and 18.23;
Acts of the apostles 5.37.
Josephus repeatedly mentions Judas and his revolt (Ant. xviii. 1.6; 6; xx. 5. 2; War ii. 8. 1; 18. 8; vii. 8. 1).
Yehuda also has an Oral tradition through a loyal band of Yehudites (followers of Yehuda) and the fact the Vatican still carries his Shroud along with Simon Peters (Yehuda’s son Simon or Simon of Peraea (died 4 BCE)?
Josephus Book of Antiquities Book 20 CHAPTER 5), both shrouds are of crucified figures possibly the 2 christ figures of Herods era?