Here Comes the Gun and Speech Legislation

[loosecannon]

The USA has the highest rate of firearm induced civilian homicides in the world.

True or false?

 

[loosecannon]

Yep, I keep telling you people there are no exceptions to "Shall not be infringed."

actually the SC has ruled that there are more than one exception to that clause. You can't own nuclear arms for example or assault rifles at least in some states.

Furthermore the entire right to bear arms is predicated on your position in a state militia.

Read it and weep:

Amendment 2 - Right to Bear Arms. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

If you are not part of a militia, or might not be a part of a militia, then you have no constitutional right to bear arms.

 

[Missourian]

Yep, I keep telling you people there are no exceptions to "Shall not be infringed."

actually the SC has ruled that there are more than one exception to that clause. You can't own nuclear arms for example or assault rifles at least in some states.

Furthermore the entire right to bear arms is predicated on your position in a state militia.

Read it and weep:

Amendment 2 - Right to Bear Arms. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

If you are not part of a militia, or might not be a part of a militia, then you have no constitutional right to bear arms.

The Supreme Court ruled in DC v Heller and McDonald v. Chicago that the Second Amendment is an individual right.

District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), was a landmark case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution protects an individual's right to possess a firearm for private use within the home in federal enclaves.

District of Columbia v. Heller - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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McDonald v. Chicago, 561 U.S. ___ (2010), was a landmark decision of the Supreme Court of the United States on the issue of gun rights. The Court held that the right of an individual to "keep and bear arms" protected by the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution is incorporated by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and applies to the states. The decision cleared up the uncertainty left in the wake of District of Columbia v. Heller as to the scope of gun rights in regard to the states.

McDonald v. Chicago - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia​

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Just because one person misuses his brain, the rest of us our banned from using ours?

No one who is not in Congress can actually think.

You have that backwards don't ya?

Not according to the members of Congress.

 

[loosecannon]

Yep, I keep telling you people there are no exceptions to "Shall not be infringed."

actually the SC has ruled that there are more than one exception to that clause. You can't own nuclear arms for example or assault rifles at least in some states.

Furthermore the entire right to bear arms is predicated on your position in a state militia.

Read it and weep:

Amendment 2 - Right to Bear Arms. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

If you are not part of a militia, or might not be a part of a militia, then you have no constitutional right to bear arms.

The Supreme Court ruled in DC v Heller and McDonald v. Chicago that the Second Amendment is an individual right.

District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), was a landmark case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution protects an individual's right to possess a firearm for private use within the home in federal enclaves.

District of Columbia v. Heller - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

​

McDonald v. Chicago, 561 U.S. ___ (2010), was a landmark decision of the Supreme Court of the United States on the issue of gun rights. The Court held that the right of an individual to "keep and bear arms" protected by the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution is incorporated by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and applies to the states. The decision cleared up the uncertainty left in the wake of District of Columbia v. Heller as to the scope of gun rights in regard to the states.

McDonald v. Chicago - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia​

Yeah yeah, those activist judges.

On this board everybody is a strict constitutionalist.

If the Holy document doesn't say it, it isn't so. And the holy document predicates the right to bear arms on the need for state militias. In black and white.

And even that SC decision didn't rule that the DC gun ban ruling applied beyond federal enclaves i.e. into the states.

And the right bear assault weapons and guns without a carry permit is withheld in most states.

And you can't bear nuclear arms anywhere in the US unless you are an agent of the feds.

And in most states you have to lock your guns in your own house. You can't even buy a gun here without a locking device.

So much for "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.".

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Here's why a local background check could have helped....

In a statement issued Saturday night, Pima Community College said Loughner was suspended after a series of run-ins with campus police between February and September, capped by the discovery of a YouTube video in which he accused the college of operating unconstitutionally. Loughner quit school after the suspension, the college said -- and it warned him that to return, he had to present a doctor's note stating that his presence would not be "a danger to himself or others."

Massacre suspect "mentally disturbed," former teacher says - CNN.com

I don't see how it would have helped because it would still have been legal for him to buy a weapon. Background checks to purchase firearms are already mandated, so this guy either got the gun as a gift, or purchased it without a background check causing a red flag. Unless you are trying to argue that anyone who ever has words with the police should be prohibited from owning a firearm background checks would not have made a bit of difference.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Those who don't pay attention are criminals, are they not?

The point being it is already ILLEGAL to buy weapons in every case where insanity prevails. Of course one MUST first prove someone has a mental problem. The requirement being one be adjudged mental by a Judge or other appropriate Official.

What do you guys propose? That Politicians get to judge their opponents incompetent simply because they are their opponents?

Of the top, I'd propose a national data base which includes every person convicted of any felony, crime of violence, terrortist theat, battery or assault, illegal possesson of a firearem or concealed weapon, DUI, the possesson for sale, sale or transportaton of drugs; every person detained on a civil committment wherein a medical professional found the person to be a danger to themselves or others; anyone where a court has issued a restraining order or stay away order to be identifed and prohibited from purchasing a firearm, or owning, having in their possesson, custody or control; and, making a manditory prison sentence for a violation of this law.

This is the typical response from the left, mandate another database to cover stuff that is already in a data base. Everyone who is arrested for any felony, and quite a few misdemeanors, is in an FBI database already, and mandating another one will accomplish nothing more than expanding the government payroll.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The USA has the highest rate of firearm induced civilian homicides in the world.

True or false?

False. The US does not even have the highest rate of gun violence or murder in North America, and is not in the top 10 worldwide.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Yep, I keep telling you people there are no exceptions to "Shall not be infringed."

actually the SC has ruled that there are more than one exception to that clause. You can't own nuclear arms for example or assault rifles at least in some states.

Furthermore the entire right to bear arms is predicated on your position in a state militia.

Read it and weep:

Amendment 2 - Right to Bear Arms. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

If you are not part of a militia, or might not be a part of a militia, then you have no constitutional right to bear arms.

The Supreme Court ruled in DC v Heller and McDonald v. Chicago that the Second Amendment is an individual right.

District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), was a landmark case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution protects an individual's right to possess a firearm for private use within the home in federal enclaves.

District of Columbia v. Heller - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

​

McDonald v. Chicago, 561 U.S. ___ (2010), was a landmark decision of the Supreme Court of the United States on the issue of gun rights. The Court held that the right of an individual to "keep and bear arms" protected by the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution is incorporated by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and applies to the states. The decision cleared up the uncertainty left in the wake of District of Columbia v. Heller as to the scope of gun rights in regard to the states.

McDonald v. Chicago - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia​

You beat me to it.

 

[loosecannon]

actually the SC has ruled that there are more than one exception to that clause. You can't own nuclear arms for example or assault rifles at least in some states.

Furthermore the entire right to bear arms is predicated on your position in a state militia.

Read it and weep:

If you are not part of a militia, or might not be a part of a militia, then you have no constitutional right to bear arms.

The Supreme Court ruled in DC v Heller and McDonald v. Chicago that the Second Amendment is an individual right.

District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), was a landmark case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution protects an individual's right to possess a firearm for private use within the home in federal enclaves.

District of Columbia v. Heller - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

​

McDonald v. Chicago, 561 U.S. ___ (2010), was a landmark decision of the Supreme Court of the United States on the issue of gun rights. The Court held that the right of an individual to "keep and bear arms" protected by the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution is incorporated by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and applies to the states. The decision cleared up the uncertainty left in the wake of District of Columbia v. Heller as to the scope of gun rights in regard to the states.

McDonald v. Chicago - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia​

You beat me to it.

but he was proven wrong!

 

[loosecannon]

The USA has the highest rate of firearm induced civilian homicides in the world.

True or false?

False. The US does not even have the highest rate of gun violence or murder in North America, and is not in the top 10 worldwide.

link?

 

[Liberty]

criminals will ALWAYS get weapons, no matter WHAT. Only keeping the law abiding people armed can help this situation. Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Get it through your head.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The USA has the highest rate of firearm induced civilian homicides in the world.

True or false?

False. The US does not even have the highest rate of gun violence or murder in North America, and is not in the top 10 worldwide.

link?

Stink.

 

[Wry Catcher]

criminals will ALWAYS get weapons, no matter WHAT. Only keeping the law abiding people armed can help this situation. Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Get it through your head.

People kill people, people with guns kill lots of people.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The USA has the highest rate of firearm induced civilian homicides in the world.

True or false?

Prove it.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

criminals will ALWAYS get weapons, no matter WHAT. Only keeping the law abiding people armed can help this situation. Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Get it through your head.

People kill people, people with guns kill lots of people.

People with cars kill MORE people. Shall we out law cars?

 

[zeitgeist2012]

The left will be tripping all over themselves starting first light on who will yell the loudest about banning guns,restricting internet content,limiting violence in video games,how much sugar and alcohol people should be allowed to consume,what type of videos we should be allowed to watch.....on and on and on....

Hold onto your seats boys and girls big government will do its best to make sure it has control over us all.

"Yeah, it'll get dicey for awhile. I think we're all in agreement about it. Before it's all said and done, there will be no mention of the Communist Manifesto or of the fact that this whack job doesn't believe in any god at all, let alone THE God. All that will remain will be Mein Kaumph, a semi auto with an extended clip, and white guy. It's not Calculus... not even Algebra. Mein Kaumph + semi auto with an extended clip + white guy = right wing extremist bigot that shot a Jewish Congresswoman. Let's all forget history, folks. Let's forget that the KKK also hated Jews and that Robert Bird was a Grand Dragon, a Progressive Democrat, and completely unrepentant of a lifetime of terrorism. Let's all forget that the very people twisting the facts of this assassination are following in the footsteps of FDR and his Progressive closet-Communist agenda. You know... the same FDR that sent boatloads of Jews away when Hitler tried to send them to our shores. The same half crazed Marxist that called Stalin "Uncle Joe" and didn't give a damn that the Jews he sent away were going to their deaths.

But we're to believe nearly 80 years of Progressive propaganda and think Nazi style National Socialism and Communism are two completely different things, that it's Left vs. Right, and we all have to flock to one side or the other to be saved from 'the Enemy'. This maniac didn't choose BOTH Mein Kaumph AND The Communist Manifesto by accident. Both philosophies meshed in his piss poor excuse for a mind because they are different perspectives of the same effort to create a Totalitarian regime. THIS is what the Left doesn't want the People to know. If We the People, not merely the Tea Party movement, but the People of the United States actually KNEW this truth, more than a century of carefully laid plans will come to nothing.

We must not allow the news of the assassin's views and reading choices to be buried. If we allow it, others will follow him, and their online records will be edited and purged with a speed and precision that will startle us---and we will be left with no evidence to clear our names. He's not the last nutjob to pull a trigger. Not by a long shot. 2011 may be a violent year--a year that if we're not careful, may be our darkest yet.

Scour the Internet. Snatch everything you can on this gunman before it's scrubbed into nonexistence. Who is he? What were his aliases online? What sites did he belong to? And copy every blog, post, or upload he's ever made---and do it FAST! If you need help snatching everything, get Firefox and the Down Them All plugin to capture every file accessible on each page you find a post on.

This may have been the first assassination, but if my gut's right on this one, it won't be the last. If the Left wants to play this game, they'll have to employ DHS, CIA, FBI, and Kevin Mitnick to stop us from catching them in the act.

Coders, start designing plugins and scripts as well. If the Left starts getting smart, they'll start deleting almost as soon as we start downloading. We'll need automation, probably as soon as the next incident. Linux users, wget and rsync are your best friends. Use them.

Mount your flashdrives boys. It's huntin' season".

 

[The Infidel]

The left will be tripping all over themselves starting first light on who will yell the loudest about banning guns,restricting internet content,limiting violence in video games,how much sugar and alcohol people should be allowed to consume,what type of videos we should be allowed to watch.....on and on and on....

Hold onto your seats boys and girls big government will do its best to make sure it has control over us all.

and you can be sure they wont let this tragedy go to waste.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjMTNPXYu-Y&NR=1[/ame]

 

[Wingsofwind]

The USA has the highest rate of firearm induced civilian homicides in the world.

True or false?

According to CNN, it is False...

CNN has provided a nice world map of gun related crime. What is interesting is that the gun related crime doesn’t seem to be strongly correlated with lawful gun ownership. For example, the USA has some of the least restrictive gun laws in the world, and has a “medium” level of gun crime, while Brazil has some rather strict gun laws, but has a high level of gun related crime. Similarly, Norway and Finland have a high rate of gun ownership, but a “low” rate of gun related crime, while Russia has restrictive gun laws but a “high” rate of gun crime. Despite what the anti gun groups say, guns, in and of themselves just don’t cause crime. Instead, the intentional actions of criminals are to blame, and it is likely that socioeconomic considerations also play an important role in crime rates.

World Map of Gun Crime | LearnAboutGuns.com*

According to this site: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita the U.S. falls at #24 in murder (don't know if it is only with guns or not). Colombia ranks the highest.

 

[westwall]

The USA has the highest rate of firearm induced civilian homicides in the world.

True or false?

False. Mexico has far surpassed us. They had 22,000 killed from the drug war alone.