Healthcare crisis, or SCAM?

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    There was no healthcare "CRISIS" until the administration created it. It is a dream. No basis in facts.

    Were American falling over dead of disease? If you were in an accident and had no coverage, were you denied emergency services and even hospitalization?

    Not only that, but healthcare is a personal choice, not for big bro to intervene in my personal life. I had no thoughts of a personal healthcare crisis before, but I do fear the government plan for MY health

    Alinsly rules, yes he does, lie, lie, and lie, and sooner or later everyone will believe the lies?

    A healthcare crisis? A healthscare scam, to take our country closer to socialism in all it's glory is closer than ever, one of the most effective ways to employ socialism is to instill fear into the middle class, using healthcare and climate change seems to be working thus far


    interesting read below
    The Depths of Demcare Demagoguery – by Michelle Malkin | FrontPage Magazine
     
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    Why do you want people to die in the streets? :rolleyes:
     
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    who died in the streets? thats the point of the op.......nobody is dying in the streets.
    where is the crisis? people in this country only go untreated by choice. Even if you can't pay for it, you will still be treated if you show up at the ER.
     
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    You must hate chiiiillllldrrreeeennnn! :D
     
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    I hate everybody :evil: :eusa_angel:

    The organizer must "rub raw the resentments of the people of the community; fan the latent hostilities of many of the people to the point of overt expression. ... An organizer must stir up dissatisfaction and discontent."


    Alinsky didn't ignore traditional moral standards or dismiss them as unnecessary. He was more devious; he taught his followers that "Moral rationalization is indispensable at all times of action whether to justify the selection or the use of ends or means."
    To achieve his goals, he sought local community organizers who projected confidence and vision as well as change. Barack Obama fit the profile.
     
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    from a very conservative site, but it seems all we get are very biased reports from both sides.
    I post this as it supports the op and provides some good talking points.
    "For those of you who aren't familiar with it, the Crisis Strategy was the brainchild of two radical socialist college professors, Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven. The idea was to overwhelm government with demands for services to the point where the system would collapse and provide an opening for the socialists to take over. Their strategy was behind creation of the National Welfare Rights Organization in the 1960s and 1970s which dramatically increased the welfare roles and caused the near bankruptcy of New York City in 1975; creation of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), prime instigators of the mortgage meltdown; the national Motor Voter law signed by President Clinton in 1993, which opened the floodgates to vote fraud by ACORN and similar groups; and the illegal immigrant amnesty movement. As we all should know by now, Barack Obama worked with and trained ACORN workers for many years, and is known and supported by all the major players in this movement.

    Healthcare nationalization is a major component of this strategy. The Left has agitated almost since the turn of the last century for some kind of socialized healthcare system. In fact, from 1939 forward, practically every Congressional session proposed national healthcare legislation."

    American Thinker: Manufactured Healthcare Crisis
     
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    Anyone with who chooses to use their brain will conclude that this so called crisis is nothing more than a scam
     
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    Well, there has been a health care crisis for decades now, in my own personal experience.

    I have had 2 dealings with insurance companies, the ONLY TIME I ever needed care....one was a surgery which cost $15 grand years ago to remove tumors that I had in my uterus...of which the insurance company refused to pay it, ruined my husband and my credit which we did not know until 6 years afterwards when we went to buy a house, and it took getting the insurance commissioner of Florida to help us straighten it out and show that the law was on our side and the HMO insurance was responsible.

    And the second was here in maine, Where i visited the doctor once, and the tests and bloodwork the doctor ran to figure out what was wrong with me, which came to $2000 grand, of which our new insurance company ALSO refused to pay on a technicality of how the doctor filed the claim so the Doctor and hospital have come after us for the payment, which we are paying.

    In addition to this, I would like to buy individual health insurance here in Maine for myself, and so my husband could just rely on the VA disabled vet benefit he receives for his injuries while serving, for his insurance, but a policy, just for me alone, is $1250 bucks a month which is out of our reach.

    Also, 3-4 years ago my husband was laid off and we were forced to pay COBRA coverage if we wanted insurance and this was nearly $700 dollars a month, we paid it for a year before he found another job with insurance benefits, and while bringing in no money, but we had a year's safety net of savings that this ate near every bit of it.

    In addition to my own personal stress regarding healthcare, many businesses, can no longer afford to have health care as a benefit and each year more and more businesses are having to lower their contributions to ones health insurance or to drop the benefit altogether and if you are an employee of a company that offers the benefit, many times there are NO CHOICES of insurance for you to choose from....the companies my husband worked for ONLY OFFERED one insurance policy you could buy in to and they share the cost....one is STUCK with who ones company chooses and the benefits offed by them.

    So, yeah, there is a health care crisis.

    What is being done in Congress on this, especially without a public option being available to ALL of us to CHOOSE from, will only keep the cost of health insurance higher than what the market can bare and is a gift horse to the insurance industry in my humble opinion....and doesn't address the rise of health care costs with the health care industry enough.

    so once again, matt and me are sh*t out of luck.

    care
     
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    Indeed, how can there be a health care crisis when the US already has universal health care? Everyone in America, regardless of income, wealth or insurance status already has access to health care. The issues the Dems are trying to turn into campaign slogans are who will pay for this health care and who will make the decisions on what kind of health care your insurer, public or private, will allow your doctor to provide.

    So far the Dems bills would have the 17 million to 20 million Americans who could afford to pay for their own health insurance but choose to pay their own medical bills and the poorest Medicare recipients who choose Medicare Advantage plans to save money pay for most of the changes they want, and as HHS' recent failed effort to discourage insurers from paying for mammograms for women in their forties, the Dems would have political appointees decide what health care your doctor will be able to provide to you.

    We do have a health care crisis in this country, and its name is Obama Pelosi Reid.
     
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