Health Insurance Premiums Skyrocketing. Thanks, Obama!

[Obiwan]

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Yeah. Those awful old people who didn't have the common decency to just go ahead and die. And those nasty kids with cancer. You gotta hate those free loaders.

How about the ones that refuses to pull up their pants, put down their bong and actually try to be productive so they can earn some money instead of demanding that somebody else their bills?

Right now the only thing you have to do to "earn" free health care is to vote for the Democrats.

You know, people like this:

Well, I certainly don't want to burden you with reality. So continue on with your fantasy.

I'm with claudettte. You would actually want our bumbling idiot govt to run a national healthcare program? They waste hundreds of billions and you actually want them to be in full control? Look at the VA disaster. That's what you want?

Look at Obama's TERMS IN OFFICE.....

Do you really think the village idiot can do a better job of managing your healthcare than you????

 

[bendog]

oost of around 25%.


I totally agree. We obviously need a national health system.

We had a national system at one time. It was called buy your own.

However, that wasn't good enough for the assholes that didn't want to pay for their own health care but wanted somebody else to pay for it.

We already WERE paying for the ER visits and longer term care of the uninsured. Obamacare isn't perfect, but it beat the shite out of Mitt's post-Massachusete's plan.

 

[PratchettFan]

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Yeah. Those awful old people who didn't have the common decency to just go ahead and die. And those nasty kids with cancer. You gotta hate those free loaders.

How about the ones that refuses to pull up their pants, put down their bong and actually try to be productive so they can earn some money instead of demanding that somebody else their bills?

Right now the only thing you have to do to "earn" free health care is to vote for the Democrats.

You know, people like this:

Well, I certainly don't want to burden you with reality. So continue on with your fantasy.

I'm with claudettte. You would actually want our bumbling idiot govt to run a national healthcare program? They waste hundreds of billions and you actually want them to be in full control? Look at the VA disaster. That's what you want?

Yes, that is what I want. I doubt it will happen soon because first people are going to have to get their heads out of the sand.

Wow. What a disaster. That's setting the bar real low.

I know. It's so much better having the worst and most expensive system possible.

 

[Flash]

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We already WERE paying for the ER visits and longer term care of the uninsured. Obamacare isn't perfect, but it beat the shite out of Mitt's post-Massachusete's plan.

How about not having Obamacare or Mitt's Mass plan? Neither one.

You just be responsible for your own health care and I be responsible for my own. Sounds good?

When you go to the hospital you pay for your own expenses and not be charged extra to cover somebody that didn't pay. Sounds good?

Then if you feel a need to help somebody else that is having trouble paying then you can do it to your heart's content. No need to have the government take the money from you by force. Isn't that fair?

 

[bendog]

Here's a cyberquarter. Why costs rise has zero to do with Obamacare, but Obamacare has made a slight improvement in costs.

Why Low Growth in Health Costs Still Stings - Washington Wire - WSJ

But, Obamacare is not really a solution.

 

[The Rabbi]

I didnt need the WSJ to tell me health insurance premiums are going way up. I have Blue Cross/Blue Shield. My policy this year was a little over $600/mo. I just got notice that it is going to over $800/mo next year. Since I have never seen rates go down, only up, I wonder how long it will be before I am priced out of the market for health insurance. I am not the only one either. SO we will end up with many many more people figuring it is cheaper to pay the penalty than buy health insurance. Result: Many more uninsureds. Another Democrat success story! Nice going, guys! And yes, we had increases before this, but nothing like this kind of jump.

Health Insurers Seek Hefty Rate Boosts - WSJ
Parts of Obamacare have been delayed and it won't fully hit until Obama leaves office (by design).

But the premium increases with higher deductibles are already here :


Major insurers in some states are proposing hefty rate boosts for plans sold under the federal health law, setting the stage for an intense debate this summer over the law’s impact.

In New Mexico, market leader Health Care Service Corp. is asking for an average jump of 51.6% in premiums for 2016.

The biggest insurer in Tennessee, BlueCross BlueShield of Tennessee, has requested an average 36.3% increase. In Maryland, market leader CareFirst BlueCross BlueShield wants to raise rates 30.4% across its products.

Moda Health, the largest insurer on the Oregon health exchange, seeks an average boost of around 25%.

All of them cite high medical costs incurred by people newly enrolled under the Affordable Care Act.

Insurers say their proposed rates reflect the revenue they need to pay claims, now that they have had time to analyze their experience with the law’s requirement that they offer the same rates to everyone—regardless of medical history.

I totally agree. We obviously need a national health system.

Because government has done such a wonderful job so far we really need to go whole hog on it?
Are you insane?

Government hasn't been doing the job. Insurance companies have been doing it and they were doing such a good job that everyone agreed something needed to be done about it. Including the political right. Insane? I believe it was Einstein who said that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. So let me turn that back to you, are you insane?

Our medical care is rated 37 in quality of health care but we are ranked number 1 in cost. Every nation with national health care on the planet is kicking our butts, but you think doing it the same way that got us here is the solution. That is insane.

Medical insurance is not medical care.
Insurance companies have been, and continued to be, hampered by high levels of govt regulation. In fact the companies specifically pointed to their mandate to offer insurance regardless of risk as the reason for the increases.
Piling on more mandates is not the solution. You are right: it would be insane to continue to push a government solution after this goverment solution has alrady failed.

We have not done a government solution. The only solution that has ever worked is a government solution. You need only look at the rest of the first world to see that as obvious. Once more, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is insanity. We need a national health system. Until we have it, things will only get worse.

Government solution? You mean like VA? Medicare? Social Security? The Post Office?
Government fucks things up. The government could not roll out a working website in a reasonable amount of time and at reasonable cost. You really want them dictating your health care?

 

[The Rabbi]

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Well, I certainly don't want to burden you with reality. So continue on with your fantasy.

This massive welfare state we live in and the destruction to our health care system because of Obamacare is hardly a fantasy.

How about you and I both agree on fairness?

You pay for your health care and I will pay for mine.

You don't have to worry about paying my bills and I don't have to worry about paying yours. If I decided to be lazy and unproductive and not take care of my own problems then you are not out anything. However, if you want to give me some money out of the goodness of your heart to help a bro out then that is fine. That is your decision and you are not forced by the government to do anything you don't want to do.

No. Because I don't want to live in a third world country.

And I think I made it pretty clear that I am not for the ACA. That just leaves it in the hands of the insurance companies, who have already demonstrated they are not to be trusted with control. I want a full national health system, just like the ones that work better than ours all over the planet.

That's what is really amazing. This is not new and it works. It out performs us on everything except expense. But you want to continue to pay far more for far less. And you all call me insane.

So you dont trust a company you can fire but you trust a goverment that has demonstrably lied about the iRS, Benghazi, NSA gathering intelligence, and about a dozen other things?
Are you sure you're not drunk?

 

[The Rabbi]

Here's a cyberquarter. Why costs rise has zero to do with Obamacare, but Obamacare has made a slight improvement in costs.

Why Low Growth in Health Costs Still Stings - Washington Wire - WSJ

But, Obamacare is not really a solution.

Hey how about reading the OP and then try telling me costs havent risen.

 

[The Rabbi]

oost of around 25%.


I totally agree. We obviously need a national health system.

We had a national system at one time. It was called buy your own.

However, that wasn't good enough for the assholes that didn't want to pay for their own health care but wanted somebody else to pay for it.

We already WERE paying for the ER visits and longer term care of the uninsured. Obamacare isn't perfect, but it beat the shite out of Mitt's post-Massachusete's plan.

ER visits have increased under Obamacare. Where have you been?

 

[BluesLegend]

I totally agree. We obviously need a national health system.

We have one, its called the get a job and pay your own damn healthcare bills plan.

 

[bendog]

oost of around 25%.


I totally agree. We obviously need a national health system.

We had a national system at one time. It was called buy your own.

However, that wasn't good enough for the assholes that didn't want to pay for their own health care but wanted somebody else to pay for it.

We already WERE paying for the ER visits and longer term care of the uninsured. Obamacare isn't perfect, but it beat the shite out of Mitt's post-Massachusete's plan.

ER visits have increased under Obamacare. Where have you been?

Emergency Room Visits Likely to Increase Under ObamaCare NCPA

fake rabbi, Obamacare aimed at decreasing UNINSURED hospital visits. I don't like obamacare, but it was better than the big fat zero the gop put up. A better plan would have focused on tax credits for private insurance and rewards for consuming less HC.

 

[The Rabbi]

oost of around 25%.


I totally agree. We obviously need a national health system.

We had a national system at one time. It was called buy your own.

However, that wasn't good enough for the assholes that didn't want to pay for their own health care but wanted somebody else to pay for it.

We already WERE paying for the ER visits and longer term care of the uninsured. Obamacare isn't perfect, but it beat the shite out of Mitt's post-Massachusete's plan.

ER visits have increased under Obamacare. Where have you been?

Emergency Room Visits Likely to Increase Under ObamaCare NCPA

fake rabbi, Obamacare aimed at decreasing UNINSURED hospital visits. I don't like obamacare, but it was better than the big fat zero the gop put up. A better plan would have focused on tax credits for private insurance and rewards for consuming less HC.

You're such a fucking tool.
Obamacare may help reduce the number of emergency room visits - CBS News

 

[BluesLegend]

I love that the Democrats own Obamacare lock stock and barrel, they can eat 100% of the peoples wrath as this disaster continues to roll out and fail.

 

[auditor0007]

I didnt need the WSJ to tell me health insurance premiums are going way up. I have Blue Cross/Blue Shield. My policy this year was a little over $600/mo. I just got notice that it is going to over $800/mo next year. Since I have never seen rates go down, only up, I wonder how long it will be before I am priced out of the market for health insurance. I am not the only one either. SO we will end up with many many more people figuring it is cheaper to pay the penalty than buy health insurance. Result: Many more uninsureds. Another Democrat success story! Nice going, guys! And yes, we had increases before this, but nothing like this kind of jump.

Health Insurers Seek Hefty Rate Boosts - WSJ
Parts of Obamacare have been delayed and it won't fully hit until Obama leaves office (by design).

But the premium increases with higher deductibles are already here :


Major insurers in some states are proposing hefty rate boosts for plans sold under the federal health law, setting the stage for an intense debate this summer over the law’s impact.

In New Mexico, market leader Health Care Service Corp. is asking for an average jump of 51.6% in premiums for 2016.

The biggest insurer in Tennessee, BlueCross BlueShield of Tennessee, has requested an average 36.3% increase. In Maryland, market leader CareFirst BlueCross BlueShield wants to raise rates 30.4% across its products.

Moda Health, the largest insurer on the Oregon health exchange, seeks an average boost of around 25%.

All of them cite high medical costs incurred by people newly enrolled under the Affordable Care Act.

Insurers say their proposed rates reflect the revenue they need to pay claims, now that they have had time to analyze their experience with the law’s requirement that they offer the same rates to everyone—regardless of medical history.

I totally agree. We obviously need a national health system.

Because government has done such a wonderful job so far we really need to go whole hog on it?
Are you insane?

Government hasn't been doing the job. Insurance companies have been doing it and they were doing such a good job that everyone agreed something needed to be done about it. Including the political right. Insane? I believe it was Einstein who said that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. So let me turn that back to you, are you insane?

Our medical care is rated 37 in quality of health care but we are ranked number 1 in cost. Every nation with national health care on the planet is kicking our butts, but you think doing it the same way that got us here is the solution. That is insane.

Medical insurance is not medical care.
Insurance companies have been, and continued to be, hampered by high levels of govt regulation. In fact the companies specifically pointed to their mandate to offer insurance regardless of risk as the reason for the increases.
Piling on more mandates is not the solution. You are right: it would be insane to continue to push a government solution after this goverment solution has alrady failed.

If they would have just left things alone and told all the sick people to just die, then all the healthy people could have insurance for next to nothing since none of them would ever get sick. Of course, under such a great system, the insurance companies would have to throw you out if you got sick. Oh yea, that's pretty much what happened to me before the ACA. I had insurance for over 20 years, I got sick and the insurance company dropped me. Great fucking system.

 

[The Rabbi]

I didnt need the WSJ to tell me health insurance premiums are going way up. I have Blue Cross/Blue Shield. My policy this year was a little over $600/mo. I just got notice that it is going to over $800/mo next year. Since I have never seen rates go down, only up, I wonder how long it will be before I am priced out of the market for health insurance. I am not the only one either. SO we will end up with many many more people figuring it is cheaper to pay the penalty than buy health insurance. Result: Many more uninsureds. Another Democrat success story! Nice going, guys! And yes, we had increases before this, but nothing like this kind of jump.

Health Insurers Seek Hefty Rate Boosts - WSJ
Parts of Obamacare have been delayed and it won't fully hit until Obama leaves office (by design).

But the premium increases with higher deductibles are already here :


Major insurers in some states are proposing hefty rate boosts for plans sold under the federal health law, setting the stage for an intense debate this summer over the law’s impact.

In New Mexico, market leader Health Care Service Corp. is asking for an average jump of 51.6% in premiums for 2016.

The biggest insurer in Tennessee, BlueCross BlueShield of Tennessee, has requested an average 36.3% increase. In Maryland, market leader CareFirst BlueCross BlueShield wants to raise rates 30.4% across its products.

Moda Health, the largest insurer on the Oregon health exchange, seeks an average boost of around 25%.

All of them cite high medical costs incurred by people newly enrolled under the Affordable Care Act.

Insurers say their proposed rates reflect the revenue they need to pay claims, now that they have had time to analyze their experience with the law’s requirement that they offer the same rates to everyone—regardless of medical history.

I totally agree. We obviously need a national health system.

Because government has done such a wonderful job so far we really need to go whole hog on it?
Are you insane?

Government hasn't been doing the job. Insurance companies have been doing it and they were doing such a good job that everyone agreed something needed to be done about it. Including the political right. Insane? I believe it was Einstein who said that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. So let me turn that back to you, are you insane?

Our medical care is rated 37 in quality of health care but we are ranked number 1 in cost. Every nation with national health care on the planet is kicking our butts, but you think doing it the same way that got us here is the solution. That is insane.

Medical insurance is not medical care.
Insurance companies have been, and continued to be, hampered by high levels of govt regulation. In fact the companies specifically pointed to their mandate to offer insurance regardless of risk as the reason for the increases.
Piling on more mandates is not the solution. You are right: it would be insane to continue to push a government solution after this goverment solution has alrady failed.

If they would have just left things alone and told all the sick people to just die, then all the healthy people could have insurance for next to nothing since none of them would ever get sick. Of course, under such a great system, the insurance companies would have to throw you out if you got sick. Oh yea, that's pretty much what happened to me before the ACA. I had insurance for over 20 years, I got sick and the insurance company dropped me. Great fucking system.

Yeah people were dropping dead all over the place. I had to swerve to avoid 3 on my to work before ACA came in.
Ya big dummy.

And your insurance company dropped you probably because you lied on the application.

 

[g5000]

I can go back years and years and show that insurers have sought big rate hikes every year for a long time.

The GOP chose to ignore the fact the rate of increase in health care costs was outpacing inflation for decades. They did NOTHING about it

Oh, wait. They did create a massive trillion dollar government entitlement program for seniors in 2004 for the election cycle...

So the GOP has zero credibility when it comes to bitching about health care reform.

ObamaCare is a rolling wreck. For sure.

But here we are, how many years in now? And the GOP has STILL not put an alternative on the table.

Go figure.

 

[g5000]

The GOP long ago sold all of us down the river to the Democrats and single payer health care, folks. Sooner or later, you will figure that out.

All the rest is theater for the rubes.

 

[The Rabbi]

The GOP long ago sold all of us down the river to the Democrats and single payer health care, folks. Sooner or later, you will figure that out.

All the rest is theater for the rubes.

LOL!
Yes everything is the GOP's fault. Democrats contributed nothign to this debacle.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

oost of around 25%.


I totally agree. We obviously need a national health system.

We had a national system at one time. It was called buy your own.

However, that wasn't good enough for the assholes that didn't want to pay for their own health care but wanted somebody else to pay for it.

Yeah. Those awful old people who didn't have the common decency to just go ahead and die. And those nasty kids with cancer. You gotta hate those free loaders.

How do you reach this conclusion from what he said?

Geeze...

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

The GOP long ago sold all of us down the river to the Democrats and single payer health care, folks. Sooner or later, you will figure that out.

All the rest is theater for the rubes.

And yet you defend the ACA constantly.