Have Liberals Learned from the Failure of Vermont's Single-Payer Health Care Plan?

[mikegriffith1]

It has barely been a year since Vermont's liberal Democratic governor, Peter Shumlin, was forced to pull the plug on the state's single-payer health care plan. Why did Governor Shumlin pull the plug? Because it was simply too expensive. Shumlin noted that the state could not fund the plan without a huge increase in taxes on individuals and businesses. Not only that, the governor also admitted that the plan would nearly double the state's budget--in the first year alone.

Costs derail Vermont’s single-payer health plan - The Boston Globe

Vermont Governor Abandons Single-Payer Health Care

Have liberals learned anything from this real-world example of the failure of liberal-designed single-payer health care?

 

[NYcarbineer]

No, we've learned from the success of single payer plans all over the world.

 

[Arianrhod]

It has barely been a year since Vermont's liberal Democratic governor, Peter Shumlin, was forced to pull the plug on the state's single-payer health care plan. Why did Governor Shumlin pull the plug? Because it was simply too expensive. Shumlin noted that the state could not fund the plan without a huge increase in taxes on individuals and businesses. Not only that, the governor also admitted that the plan would nearly double the state's budget--in the first year alone.

Costs derail Vermont’s single-payer health plan - The Boston Globe

Vermont Governor Abandons Single-Payer Health Care

Have liberals learned anything from this real-world example of the failure of liberal-designed single-payer health care?

We've learned that RWs have a tendency to post "news" that's over a year old...like the two articles you posted.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

No, we've learned from the success of single payer plans all over the world.

It's why the U.S. is ranked 37th by the W.H.O.
Private insurance companies making health care decisions based on profit.
Even Ben Carson thinks that is wrong.
O/P, keep on scratchin' those rightwing blog sites...I'm sure you'll eventually find something worth copying and pasting.

 

[Liberal Pothead]

It has barely been a year since Vermont's liberal Democratic governor, Peter Shumlin, was forced to pull the plug on the state's single-payer health care plan. Why did Governor Shumlin pull the plug? Because it was simply too expensive. Shumlin noted that the state could not fund the plan without a huge increase in taxes on individuals and businesses. Not only that, the governor also admitted that the plan would nearly double the state's budget--in the first year alone.

Costs derail Vermont’s single-payer health plan - The Boston Globe

Vermont Governor Abandons Single-Payer Health Care

Have liberals learned anything from this real-world example of the failure of liberal-designed single-payer health care?

Let's get one thing straight. These people you refer to are not liberals. They are leftists, also know as socialists or communists. I bet they don't even smoke weed, or at least not the good stuff. Maybe that explains why they're so cranky. That cheap weed gives me an awful headache.

 

[Timmy]

Tell Ya what . We'll learn about single payers IF conservatives learn that invading Mid East countries is a road to disaster !

 

[bripat9643]

It has barely been a year since Vermont's liberal Democratic governor, Peter Shumlin, was forced to pull the plug on the state's single-payer health care plan. Why did Governor Shumlin pull the plug? Because it was simply too expensive. Shumlin noted that the state could not fund the plan without a huge increase in taxes on individuals and businesses. Not only that, the governor also admitted that the plan would nearly double the state's budget--in the first year alone.

Costs derail Vermont’s single-payer health plan - The Boston Globe

Vermont Governor Abandons Single-Payer Health Care

Have liberals learned anything from this real-world example of the failure of liberal-designed single-payer health care?

When do liberals ever learn from their mistakes?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Medicare is single payer and Americans love Medicare.

 

[BluesLegend]

It has barely been a year since Vermont's liberal Democratic governor, Peter Shumlin, was forced to pull the plug on the state's single-payer health care plan. Why did Governor Shumlin pull the plug? Because it was simply too expensive. Shumlin noted that the state could not fund the plan without a huge increase in taxes on individuals and businesses. Not only that, the governor also admitted that the plan would nearly double the state's budget--in the first year alone.

Costs derail Vermont’s single-payer health plan - The Boston Globe

Vermont Governor Abandons Single-Payer Health Care

Have liberals learned anything from this real-world example of the failure of liberal-designed single-payer health care?

When do liberals ever learn from their mistakes?

Deer will learn to stop jumping out in front of moving vehicles before that day comes.

 

[rdean]

It has barely been a year since Vermont's liberal Democratic governor, Peter Shumlin, was forced to pull the plug on the state's single-payer health care plan. Why did Governor Shumlin pull the plug? Because it was simply too expensive. Shumlin noted that the state could not fund the plan without a huge increase in taxes on individuals and businesses. Not only that, the governor also admitted that the plan would nearly double the state's budget--in the first year alone.

Costs derail Vermont’s single-payer health plan - The Boston Globe

Vermont Governor Abandons Single-Payer Health Care

Have liberals learned anything from this real-world example of the failure of liberal-designed single-payer health care?

‘RomneyCare’ Facts and Falsehoods

Massachusetts has had Obamacare (formally called Romenycare) longer than anyone. And now we know Republicans are so full of shit the whites of their eyes are brown.

 

[bripat9643]

No, we've learned from the success of single payer plans all over the world.

It's why the U.S. is ranked 37th by the W.H.O.
Private insurance companies making health care decisions based on profit.
Even Ben Carson thinks that is wrong.
O/P, keep on scratchin' those rightwing blog sites...I'm sure you'll eventually find something worth copying and pasting.

The WHO is a communist propaganda organ, and anyone who pays attention to it only proves that he's a fool. Ben Carson has never claimed that healthcare companies aren't entitled to make a profit.

As usual, everything you posted was 100% wrong.

 

[Disir]

It has barely been a year since Vermont's liberal Democratic governor, Peter Shumlin, was forced to pull the plug on the state's single-payer health care plan. Why did Governor Shumlin pull the plug? Because it was simply too expensive. Shumlin noted that the state could not fund the plan without a huge increase in taxes on individuals and businesses. Not only that, the governor also admitted that the plan would nearly double the state's budget--in the first year alone.

Costs derail Vermont’s single-payer health plan - The Boston Globe

Vermont Governor Abandons Single-Payer Health Care

Have liberals learned anything from this real-world example of the failure of liberal-designed single-payer health care?

It was never put into action. Shumlin pulled it before hand. Incidentally, it did not fail. Shumlin did everything he could to prevent it. And that is all.

 

[CowboyTed]

No, we've learned from the success of single payer plans all over the world.

It's why the U.S. is ranked 37th by the W.H.O.
Private insurance companies making health care decisions based on profit.
Even Ben Carson thinks that is wrong.
O/P, keep on scratchin' those rightwing blog sites...I'm sure you'll eventually find something worth copying and pasting.

The WHO is a communist propaganda organ, and anyone who pays attention to it only proves that he's a fool. Ben Carson has never claimed that healthcare companies aren't entitled to make a profit.

As usual, everything you posted was 100% wrong.

Don't let a unsustanitate rant get in the way of facts there... You have a history of calling every one far left, including Hitler...

That is your problem, you need help. You go through RW blogs reenforciing you ideas with made up bullshit and you think it is real...

Could you atry and back yourself with actual facts. Single Payer around the world including in the US is the most popular and most effiecent of all tyoes of Medical Insurance... Thats and actual fact...

Your usual rant about everyone in the world is a Commie except me crap is very old and really just laughable...

 

[Conservative65]

No, we've learned from the success of single payer plans all over the world.

No such thing.

 

[Conservative65]

It has barely been a year since Vermont's liberal Democratic governor, Peter Shumlin, was forced to pull the plug on the state's single-payer health care plan. Why did Governor Shumlin pull the plug? Because it was simply too expensive. Shumlin noted that the state could not fund the plan without a huge increase in taxes on individuals and businesses. Not only that, the governor also admitted that the plan would nearly double the state's budget--in the first year alone.

Costs derail Vermont’s single-payer health plan - The Boston Globe

Vermont Governor Abandons Single-Payer Health Care

Have liberals learned anything from this real-world example of the failure of liberal-designed single-payer health care?

‘RomneyCare’ Facts and Falsehoods

Massachusetts has had Obamacare (formally called Romenycare) longer than anyone. And now we know Republicans are so full of shit the whites of their eyes are brown.

Nowhere near as brown as the shit stain on your nose from puckering up to Obama's ass.

 

[Conservative65]

It has barely been a year since Vermont's liberal Democratic governor, Peter Shumlin, was forced to pull the plug on the state's single-payer health care plan. Why did Governor Shumlin pull the plug? Because it was simply too expensive. Shumlin noted that the state could not fund the plan without a huge increase in taxes on individuals and businesses. Not only that, the governor also admitted that the plan would nearly double the state's budget--in the first year alone.

Costs derail Vermont’s single-payer health plan - The Boston Globe

Vermont Governor Abandons Single-Payer Health Care

Have liberals learned anything from this real-world example of the failure of liberal-designed single-payer health care?

We've learned that RWs have a tendency to post "news" that's over a year old...like the two articles you posted.

You mean like you lefties that post things and bring up things from 30 years ago?

 

[Conservative65]

No, we've learned from the success of single payer plans all over the world.

It's why the U.S. is ranked 37th by the W.H.O.
Private insurance companies making health care decisions based on profit.
Even Ben Carson thinks that is wrong.
O/P, keep on scratchin' those rightwing blog sites...I'm sure you'll eventually find something worth copying and pasting.

Keep pushing. I'm sure you'll eventually work you way closer in line to kiss Obama's ass.

 

[Conservative65]

No, we've learned from the success of single payer plans all over the world.

It's why the U.S. is ranked 37th by the W.H.O.
Private insurance companies making health care decisions based on profit.
Even Ben Carson thinks that is wrong.
O/P, keep on scratchin' those rightwing blog sites...I'm sure you'll eventually find something worth copying and pasting.

The WHO is a communist propaganda organ, and anyone who pays attention to it only proves that he's a fool. Ben Carson has never claimed that healthcare companies aren't entitled to make a profit.

As usual, everything you posted was 100% wrong.

Don't let a unsustanitate rant get in the way of facts there... You have a history of calling every one far left, including Hitler...

That is your problem, you need help. You go through RW blogs reenforciing you ideas with made up bullshit and you think it is real...

Could you atry and back yourself with actual facts. Single Payer around the world including in the US is the most popular and most effiecent of all tyoes of Medical Insurance... Thats and actual fact...

Your usual rant about everyone in the world is a Commie except me crap is very old and really just laughable...

I wonder if it can help you learn to spell and use proper punctuation stupid.

 

[Greenbeard]

Have liberals learned anything from this real-world example of the failure of liberal-designed single-payer health care?

Hopefully they've learned the same thing Vermont did: you can replicate some of the desirable features of single-payer within a multi-payer system.

As Vermont is now about to do.

State Unveils Draft of Deal with Feds for Health System Overhaul

We’re proposing to Washington that we be the first state that takes all of our payment systems — Medicare, Medicaid and private pay, so all three — and changes to a, what we’re calling, ‘all-payer model,’ where we pay our docs and our nurses and our health care providers for keeping us healthy, not for the fee-for-service system that we currently have,” Shumlin said.

“So instead of paying for every test and every procedure, doctors and hospitals would receive a set of payments for frankly keeping us alive and healthy and feeling good,” he said. “Obviously that puts huge priority on preventive care, on eating right, on exercising, on getting off the smokes, on doing all of the things that we know we should be doing.”

The federal government would give the state the power to set how much doctors and hospitals are paid, but the state would not use that power in the short term. A single accountable care organization — an intermediary between doctors and insurance companies that helps doctors work together to lower the cost of care — may set those rates.

Because the all-payer model rewards doctors for healthy outcomes, that means the accountable care organization and the doctors who join it would take on some risk for the health of their patients. Under the current model, insurance companies absorb almost all of that risk.

 

[bripat9643]

Have liberals learned anything from this real-world example of the failure of liberal-designed single-payer health care?

Hopefully they've learned the same thing Vermont did: you can replicate some of the desirable features of single-payer within a multi-payer system.

As Vermont is now about to do.

State Unveils Draft of Deal with Feds for Health System Overhaul

We’re proposing to Washington that we be the first state that takes all of our payment systems — Medicare, Medicaid and private pay, so all three — and changes to a, what we’re calling, ‘all-payer model,’ where we pay our docs and our nurses and our health care providers for keeping us healthy, not for the fee-for-service system that we currently have,” Shumlin said.

“So instead of paying for every test and every procedure, doctors and hospitals would receive a set of payments for frankly keeping us alive and healthy and feeling good,” he said. “Obviously that puts huge priority on preventive care, on eating right, on exercising, on getting off the smokes, on doing all of the things that we know we should be doing.”

The federal government would give the state the power to set how much doctors and hospitals are paid, but the state would not use that power in the short term. A single accountable care organization — an intermediary between doctors and insurance companies that helps doctors work together to lower the cost of care — may set those rates.

Because the all-payer model rewards doctors for healthy outcomes, that means the accountable care organization and the doctors who join it would take on some risk for the health of their patients. Under the current model, insurance companies absorb almost all of that risk.

You obviously aren't aware of the fact that Vermont dropped its single payer system because the taxpayers couldn't afford it.