Hamas wants ICC to judge 'Zionist war criminals'

[CMike]

Likud has a Charter which does not recognize the right of Palestine to exist

The reason they gave was that Hamas refused to recognize Israel and had a Charter calling for the destruction of the Jewish state.

Everyone (politicians and corporate media leaders) accepted this without asking a few important questions. Which Israel should Hamas recognize? Israel has not yet stated what its international borders are. Should Hamas recognize the Israel of 1948? The Israel of 1967? The Israel of 2009 with its apartheid wall, settlements (settlements building raised by 60 percent in 2008, the year of the Annapolis “Peace Process”, according to a Peace Now report), second class Arab citizens and with East Jerusalem annexed?

Any astute observer could also have objected by reminding people that Hamas (through Haniyeh and Meshal) had said many times over that it was willing to accept Israel as a political entity on the 1967 borders. You do not have to look hard for this, it was stated in the Guardian, Washington Post, amongst others, meaning that Hamas was now in line with most of the international community, accepting a two-state solution.

Another issue came back again and again. The problem is Hamas’s Charter, we would hear. Whatever Meshal or Haniyeh were ready to accept, the Charter came back to haunt them every time.

But what about the Charter of the Likud Party. With Netanyahu and his right-wing party ready to take over, it is only fair to find out a bit more about them.

In the “Peace and Security” chapter of the Likud Party platform, a recent document (1999) it says initially that:

“Peace is a primary objective of the State of Israel. The Likud will strengthen the existing peace agreements with the Arab states and strive to achieve peace agreements with all of Israel’s neighbors with the aim of reaching a comprehensive solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict.”

But then it says about settlements:

“The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting.”

Therefore annihilating the slightest chance of a two-state solution.

On Palestinian self-rule it says:

“The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel’s existence, security and national needs”

Therefore annihilating any chance of seeing a Palestinian sovereign state.

On Jerusalem:

“Jerusalem is the eternal, united capital of the State of Israel and only of Israel. The government will flatly reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem, including the plan to divide the city presented to the Knesset by the Arab factions and supported by many members of Labor and Meretz.”

Therefore annihilating any chance for future peace negotiations because east Jerusalem as capital of a future Palestinian state is non-negotiable for any Palestinian.

Likud has a Charter which does not recognize the right of Palestine to exist The Comment Factory

Palestine doesn't exist

 

[jillian]

There are terrorists amongst the Pals for sure. And they do have high levels of corruption and don't help themselves. Still, if Israel was to leave the WB altogether, then Hamas would have nothing to bitch about. And if the IDF just fucked off from the occupied territories and stopped shooting stone throwers, the Pals wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

YEah, Jews should just die and let terrorists throw missiles at them and blow up their children.

I don't believe they don't give a rat's patoot if the have "a leg to stand on". Israel gave them Gaza and they used it as a staging area for missile attacks. They see it as weakness when Israel walked away.

And as with other terrorist groups, they arent going to "play nice" and sing kumbaya.

Their charter still requires the destruction of Israel and even when they were offered 98% of what they asked for, they spit on it.

 

[P F Tinmore]

There are terrorists amongst the Pals for sure. And they do have high levels of corruption and don't help themselves. Still, if Israel was to leave the WB altogether, then Hamas would have nothing to bitch about. And if the IDF just fucked off from the occupied territories and stopped shooting stone throwers, the Pals wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

YEah, Jews should just die and let terrorists throw missiles at them and blow up their children.

I don't believe they don't give a rat's patoot if the have "a leg to stand on". Israel gave them Gaza and they used it as a staging area for missile attacks. They see it as weakness when Israel walked away.

And as with other terrorist groups, they arent going to "play nice" and sing kumbaya.

Their charter still requires the destruction of Israel and even when they were offered 98% of what they asked for, they spit on it.

I guess things can look like that when it is based on false premise.

 

[elvis]

There are terrorists amongst the Pals for sure. And they do have high levels of corruption and don't help themselves. Still, if Israel was to leave the WB altogether, then Hamas would have nothing to bitch about. And if the IDF just fucked off from the occupied territories and stopped shooting stone throwers, the Pals wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

YEah, Jews should just die and let terrorists throw missiles at them and blow up their children.

I don't believe they don't give a rat's patoot if the have "a leg to stand on". Israel gave them Gaza and they used it as a staging area for missile attacks. They see it as weakness when Israel walked away.

And as with other terrorist groups, they arent going to "play nice" and sing kumbaya.

Their charter still requires the destruction of Israel and even when they were offered 98% of what they asked for, they spit on it.

I guess things can look like that when it is based on false premise.

Enlighten us, Adolf. What premise is false?

 

[P F Tinmore]

YEah, Jews should just die and let terrorists throw missiles at them and blow up their children.

I don't believe they don't give a rat's patoot if the have "a leg to stand on". Israel gave them Gaza and they used it as a staging area for missile attacks. They see it as weakness when Israel walked away.

And as with other terrorist groups, they arent going to "play nice" and sing kumbaya.

Their charter still requires the destruction of Israel and even when they were offered 98% of what they asked for, they spit on it.

I guess things can look like that when it is based on false premise.

Enlighten us, Adolf. What premise is false?

"YEah, Jews should just die and let terrorists throw missiles at them and blow up their children."

The Palestinians are not attacking Jews. They are attacking people who are occupying their country.

"I don't believe they don't give a rat's patoot if the have "a leg to stand on". Israel gave them Gaza and they used it as a staging area for missile attacks. They see it as weakness when Israel walked away."

Israel still occupies Gaza.

"And as with other terrorist groups, they arent going to "play nice" and sing kumbaya."

Israel calling the Palestinians terrorists is like the coal mine calling the kettle black.

"Their charter still requires the destruction of Israel..."

Israel is IN Palestine.

"...and even when they were offered 98% of what they asked for, they spit on it"

They weren't offered anything close to 98%.

 

[Marc39]

The Palestinians are not attacking Jews. They are attacking people who are occupying their country.

Retard, there is no Palestinian country to occupy. For most of the past 800 years, the area of Palestine waspart of the Ottoman Empire and was not a political or legal entity, shithead.

Ever hear about Obama, Abbas and Netanyahu trying to negotiate a two-state solution, shit-for-brains? That means there is no sovereign Palestinian state, you fucking moron.

Professor Philip Hitti, eminent modern Arab historian, who represented the Institute of Arab American Affairs before the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry in 1946...

The Sunday schools have done a great deal of harm to us, because by smearing the walls of the rooms with maps of Palestine they are associating it in the mind of the average American--and I may say perhaps the Englishman, too--with the Jews. Sir, there is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Palestinians are not attacking Jews. They are attacking people who are occupying their country.

Retard, there is no Palestinian country to occupy. For most of the past 800 years, the area of Palestine waspart of the Ottoman Empire and was not a political or legal entity, shithead.

Ever hear about Obama, Abbas and Netanyahu trying to negotiate a two-state solution, shit-for-brains? That means there is no sovereign Palestinian state, you fucking moron.

Professor Philip Hitti, eminent modern Arab historian, who represented the Institute of Arab American Affairs before the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry in 1946...

The Sunday schools have done a great deal of harm to us, because by smearing the walls of the rooms with maps of Palestine they are associating it in the mind of the average American--and I may say perhaps the Englishman, too--with the Jews. Sir, there is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not.

There are a lot of people who have Palestine as the place of birth on their birth certificates. We should change that to what?

 

[Charles Stucker]

GAZA CITY (AFP) – Hamas wants what it calls "Zionist war criminals" brought before the International Criminal Court over last year's Israeli assault on Gaza, an official of the Islamist group said on Saturday.

"We ask the United Nations to transfer the matter to the ICC so that the Zionist war criminals can be brought to justice," said Mohammed Faraj al-Ghul, justice minister in the Hamas administration of the Gaza Strip.

Hamas wants ICC to judge 'Zionist war criminals' - Yahoo! News

Does Hamas pay you for all the propaganda work you do on their behalf?

 

[Barb]

GAZA CITY (AFP) – Hamas wants what it calls "Zionist war criminals" brought before the International Criminal Court over last year's Israeli assault on Gaza, an official of the Islamist group said on Saturday.

"We ask the United Nations to transfer the matter to the ICC so that the Zionist war criminals can be brought to justice," said Mohammed Faraj al-Ghul, justice minister in the Hamas administration of the Gaza Strip.

Hamas wants ICC to judge 'Zionist war criminals' - Yahoo! News

Does Hamas pay you for all the propaganda work you do on their behalf?

In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
George Orwell

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[P F Tinmore]

GAZA CITY (AFP) – Hamas wants what it calls "Zionist war criminals" brought before the International Criminal Court over last year's Israeli assault on Gaza, an official of the Islamist group said on Saturday.

"We ask the United Nations to transfer the matter to the ICC so that the Zionist war criminals can be brought to justice," said Mohammed Faraj al-Ghul, justice minister in the Hamas administration of the Gaza Strip.

Hamas wants ICC to judge 'Zionist war criminals' - Yahoo! News

Does Hamas pay you for all the propaganda work you do on their behalf?

I don't really support Hamas. I am supporting other candidates for president.

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[jillian]

The Palestinians are not attacking Jews. They are attacking people who are occupying their country.

Retard, there is no Palestinian country to occupy. For most of the past 800 years, the area of Palestine waspart of the Ottoman Empire and was not a political or legal entity, shithead.

Ever hear about Obama, Abbas and Netanyahu trying to negotiate a two-state solution, shit-for-brains? That means there is no sovereign Palestinian state, you fucking moron.

Professor Philip Hitti, eminent modern Arab historian, who represented the Institute of Arab American Affairs before the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry in 1946...

The Sunday schools have done a great deal of harm to us, because by smearing the walls of the rooms with maps of Palestine they are associating it in the mind of the average American--and I may say perhaps the Englishman, too--with the Jews. Sir, there is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not.

There are a lot of people who have Palestine as the place of birth on their birth certificates. We should change that to what?

Actually, Professor Hitti was talking about Palestine, as a derivative of the word, Philistine, to which the British referred to the mandate. Historically, no such place existed.

However, that's fairly irrelevant, on either side, to the issue at hand.

 

[Charles Stucker]

GAZA CITY (AFP) – Hamas wants what it calls "Zionist war criminals" brought before the International Criminal Court over last year's Israeli assault on Gaza, an official of the Islamist group said on Saturday.

"We ask the United Nations to transfer the matter to the ICC so that the Zionist war criminals can be brought to justice," said Mohammed Faraj al-Ghul, justice minister in the Hamas administration of the Gaza Strip.

Hamas wants ICC to judge 'Zionist war criminals' - Yahoo! News

Does Hamas pay you for all the propaganda work you do on their behalf?

I don't really support Hamas. I am supporting other candidates for president.

Then Don't worry about me; in 2012 I won't vote for Obama.

 

[jillian]

In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
George Orwell

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And when he does tell the truth, I'm sure we'll all give him appropriate huzzahs. Near as I can tell, his relationhip with the truth is non-existent.

 

[CMike]

GAZA CITY (AFP) – Hamas wants what it calls "Zionist war criminals" brought before the International Criminal Court over last year's Israeli assault on Gaza, an official of the Islamist group said on Saturday.

"We ask the United Nations to transfer the matter to the ICC so that the Zionist war criminals can be brought to justice," said Mohammed Faraj al-Ghul, justice minister in the Hamas administration of the Gaza Strip.

Hamas wants ICC to judge 'Zionist war criminals' - Yahoo! News

Does Hamas pay you for all the propaganda work you do on their behalf?

I don't really support Hamas. I am supporting other candidates for president.

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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuNVwCiU1SM&feature=fvsr]YouTube - One on One - Hanan Ashrawi - 26 Sep 09 - Part 2[/ame]
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That is very courageous of you.

 

[Charles Stucker]

The Palestinians are not attacking Jews. They are attacking people who are occupying their country.

In case you missed the last 70 years of history, it is not their (the Palestinian Arab's) country.
So they are attacking Jews.

 

[Marc39]

Retard, there is no Palestinian country to occupy. For most of the past 800 years, the area of Palestine waspart of the Ottoman Empire and was not a political or legal entity, shithead.

Ever hear about Obama, Abbas and Netanyahu trying to negotiate a two-state solution, shit-for-brains? That means there is no sovereign Palestinian state, you fucking moron.

Professor Philip Hitti, eminent modern Arab historian, who represented the Institute of Arab American Affairs before the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry in 1946...

There are a lot of people who have Palestine as the place of birth on their birth certificates. We should change that to what?

Actually, Professor Hitti was talking about Palestine, as a derivative of the word, Philistine, to which the British referred to the mandate. Historically, no such place existed.

However, that's fairly irrelevant, on either side, to the issue at hand.

No, Hitti was referring to Palestine as a separate entity from Syria, which it has not been in the view of Arabs throughout history.

 

[Marc39]

here are a lot of people who have Palestine as the place of birth on their birth certificates. We should change that to what?

Syria.
Historian Yehoshua Porath...

The First Congress of the Muslim-Christian Associations which met in Jerusalem in 1919 and brought together thirty delegates from various parts of Palestine adopted the resolution...
"We consider Palestine as part of Arab Syria as it has never been separated from it at any time. Weare connected with it by national, religious, linguistic, natural, economic and geographicaal bonds. We desire that our district Soouthern Syria or Palestine should not be separated from the Independent Arab Syrian government.

Now, run along, dunce.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Palestinians are not attacking Jews. They are attacking people who are occupying their country.

In case you missed the last 70 years of history, it is not their (the Palestinian Arab's) country.
So they are attacking Jews.

You have that backwards. The natives are defending themselves from foreign invaders.

 

[Marc39]

The Palestinians are not attacking Jews. They are attacking people who are occupying their country.

In case you missed the last 70 years of history, it is not their (the Palestinian Arab's) country.
So they are attacking Jews.

You have that backwards. The natives are defending themselves from foreign invaders.

The Arabs invaded in the 7th century, dunce. The Ottoman Turks, who controlled Palestine, gave Jewish immigrants permission to do so. Jews purchased land from Arabs.
The Palestine Mandate permits Jews to live in the area.

So, retard, once, again, you do not know shit.

 

[P F Tinmore]

In case you missed the last 70 years of history, it is not their (the Palestinian Arab's) country.
So they are attacking Jews.

You have that backwards. The natives are defending themselves from foreign invaders.

The Arabs invaded in the 7th century, dunce. The Ottoman Turks, who controlled Palestine, gave Jewish immigrants permission to do so. .Jews purchased land from Arabs
The Palestine Mandate permits Jews to live in the area.

So, retard, once, again, you do not know shit.

"The Arabs invaded in the 7th century"
True

"The Ottoman Turks, who controlled Palestine, gave Jewish immigrants permission to do so."
True

"Jews purchased land from Arabs"
True about 7%

"The Palestine Mandate permits Jews to live in the area."
True

As I said before, Palestine has been the homeland of the Jews and Jews still live in Palestine. Some have been there since the beginning of time.