Haiti and the Dominican Republic: One island, two worlds

[Desperado]

Answer me this, why the difference on the same island?
One side of the island a shit hole the other side of the same island a popular tourist destination.


Haiti and the Dominican Republic: One island, two worlds | Global Ideas | DW | 12.02.2013

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

The shithole side is 95% black. The other is multiracial.

 

[Shrimpbox]

Thank you Desperado

 

[Coyote]

The shithole side is 95% black. The other is multiracial.

That is idiotic.

The reason's for the differences are more complex then that starting with basic geography.

https://www.economist.com/news/amer...ns-other-has-not-had-proper-government-months

This divergence in fortunes has many causes, starting with geography. The Dominican Republic is the greener, rainier side of the island and has better farmland. France, Haiti’s colonial overlord, imported vast numbers of slaves to work the sugar-cane fields. Spanish rule of Santo Domingo, as it was known, was less brutal, in part because Spain had more lucrative possessions in other parts of Latin America to exploit. When Haiti gained independence in 1804 it was an overpopulated plantation economy. The Dominican Republic started out as a society of small farmers. It has retained closer ties with its former Spanish masters than Haiti has with France.

 

[Pogo]

Answer me this, why the difference on the same island?
One side of the island a shit hole the other side of the same island a popular tourist destination.


Haiti and the Dominican Republic: One island, two worlds | Global Ideas | DW | 12.02.2013

"Tourist destination" huh?

Isn't that where Lush Rimjob went with a carton of Viagra? "Tourist", wink wink.

Fun fact: Haiti was the second independent republic in the Americas, after the US. And it took us fifty-eight years to officially recognize that.

 

[Desperado]

The shithole side is 95% black. The other is multiracial.

That is idiotic.

The reason's for the differences are more complex then that starting with basic geography.

https://www.economist.com/news/amer...ns-other-has-not-had-proper-government-months

This divergence in fortunes has many causes, starting with geography. The Dominican Republic is the greener, rainier side of the island and has better farmland. France, Haiti’s colonial overlord, imported vast numbers of slaves to work the sugar-cane fields. Spanish rule of Santo Domingo, as it was known, was less brutal, in part because Spain had more lucrative possessions in other parts of Latin America to exploit. When Haiti gained independence in 1804 it was an overpopulated plantation economy. The Dominican Republic started out as a society of small farmers. It has retained closer ties with its former Spanish masters than Haiti has with France.

So you are saying that they had 114 years to improve things on their own but even today they are still eating dirt!

 

[Coyote]

The shithole side is 95% black. The other is multiracial.

That is idiotic.

The reason's for the differences are more complex then that starting with basic geography.

https://www.economist.com/news/amer...ns-other-has-not-had-proper-government-months

This divergence in fortunes has many causes, starting with geography. The Dominican Republic is the greener, rainier side of the island and has better farmland. France, Haiti’s colonial overlord, imported vast numbers of slaves to work the sugar-cane fields. Spanish rule of Santo Domingo, as it was known, was less brutal, in part because Spain had more lucrative possessions in other parts of Latin America to exploit. When Haiti gained independence in 1804 it was an overpopulated plantation economy. The Dominican Republic started out as a society of small farmers. It has retained closer ties with its former Spanish masters than Haiti has with France.

So you are saying that they had 114 years to improve things on their own but even today they are still eating dirt!

Nope. Not saying that at all.

 

[Aba Incieni]

Answer me this, why the difference on the same island?
One side of the island a shit hole the other side of the same island a popular tourist destination.


Haiti and the Dominican Republic: One island, two worlds | Global Ideas | DW | 12.02.2013

"Tourist destination" huh?

Isn't that where Lush Rimjob went with a carton of Viagra? "Tourist", wink wink.

Fun fact: Haiti was the second independent republic in the Americas, after the US. And it took us fifty-eight years to officially recognize that.

The shithole side is 95% black. The other is multiracial.

That is idiotic.

The reason's for the differences are more complex then that starting with basic geography.

https://www.economist.com/news/amer...ns-other-has-not-had-proper-government-months

This divergence in fortunes has many causes, starting with geography. The Dominican Republic is the greener, rainier side of the island and has better farmland. France, Haiti’s colonial overlord, imported vast numbers of slaves to work the sugar-cane fields. Spanish rule of Santo Domingo, as it was known, was less brutal, in part because Spain had more lucrative possessions in other parts of Latin America to exploit. When Haiti gained independence in 1804 it was an overpopulated plantation economy. The Dominican Republic started out as a society of small farmers. It has retained closer ties with its former Spanish masters than Haiti has with France.

If geography was the problem, why were the French able to grow cane on it for so long?

 

[Coyote]

Answer me this, why the difference on the same island?
One side of the island a shit hole the other side of the same island a popular tourist destination.


Haiti and the Dominican Republic: One island, two worlds | Global Ideas | DW | 12.02.2013

"Tourist destination" huh?

Isn't that where Lush Rimjob went with a carton of Viagra? "Tourist", wink wink.

Fun fact: Haiti was the second independent republic in the Americas, after the US. And it took us fifty-eight years to officially recognize that.

The shithole side is 95% black. The other is multiracial.

That is idiotic.

The reason's for the differences are more complex then that starting with basic geography.

https://www.economist.com/news/amer...ns-other-has-not-had-proper-government-months

This divergence in fortunes has many causes, starting with geography. The Dominican Republic is the greener, rainier side of the island and has better farmland. France, Haiti’s colonial overlord, imported vast numbers of slaves to work the sugar-cane fields. Spanish rule of Santo Domingo, as it was known, was less brutal, in part because Spain had more lucrative possessions in other parts of Latin America to exploit. When Haiti gained independence in 1804 it was an overpopulated plantation economy. The Dominican Republic started out as a society of small farmers. It has retained closer ties with its former Spanish masters than Haiti has with France.

If geography was the problem, why were the French able to grow cane on it for so long?

Slave labor.

 

[Desperado]

The shithole side is 95% black. The other is multiracial.

That is idiotic.

The reason's for the differences are more complex then that starting with basic geography.

https://www.economist.com/news/amer...ns-other-has-not-had-proper-government-months

This divergence in fortunes has many causes, starting with geography. The Dominican Republic is the greener, rainier side of the island and has better farmland. France, Haiti’s colonial overlord, imported vast numbers of slaves to work the sugar-cane fields. Spanish rule of Santo Domingo, as it was known, was less brutal, in part because Spain had more lucrative possessions in other parts of Latin America to exploit. When Haiti gained independence in 1804 it was an overpopulated plantation economy. The Dominican Republic started out as a society of small farmers. It has retained closer ties with its former Spanish masters than Haiti has with France.

So you are saying that they had 114 years to improve things on their own but even today they are still eating dirt!

Nope. Not saying that at all.

Yes, Yes you are!

 

[Coyote]

"The Dominican edge in tourism comes partly from the country’s forests, which cover more than 40% of the country (against less than 4% in Haiti). It takes in double the amount in remittances, in part because its diaspora is larger and located mainly in the United States and Spain. A big chunk of expat Haitians are in the Dominican Republic."

 

[Aba Incieni]

Answer me this, why the difference on the same island?
One side of the island a shit hole the other side of the same island a popular tourist destination.


Haiti and the Dominican Republic: One island, two worlds | Global Ideas | DW | 12.02.2013

"Tourist destination" huh?

Isn't that where Lush Rimjob went with a carton of Viagra? "Tourist", wink wink.

Fun fact: Haiti was the second independent republic in the Americas, after the US. And it took us fifty-eight years to officially recognize that.

The shithole side is 95% black. The other is multiracial.

That is idiotic.

The reason's for the differences are more complex then that starting with basic geography.

https://www.economist.com/news/amer...ns-other-has-not-had-proper-government-months

This divergence in fortunes has many causes, starting with geography. The Dominican Republic is the greener, rainier side of the island and has better farmland. France, Haiti’s colonial overlord, imported vast numbers of slaves to work the sugar-cane fields. Spanish rule of Santo Domingo, as it was known, was less brutal, in part because Spain had more lucrative possessions in other parts of Latin America to exploit. When Haiti gained independence in 1804 it was an overpopulated plantation economy. The Dominican Republic started out as a society of small farmers. It has retained closer ties with its former Spanish masters than Haiti has with France.

If geography was the problem, why were the French able to grow cane on it for so long?

Slave labor.

The reason stated was that it was poor farmland.

 

[Deno]

Answer me this, why the difference on the same island?
One side of the island a shit hole the other side of the same island a popular tourist destination.


Haiti and the Dominican Republic: One island, two worlds | Global Ideas | DW | 12.02.2013

"Tourist destination" huh?

Isn't that where Lush Rimjob went with a carton of Viagra? "Tourist", wink wink.

Fun fact: Haiti was the second independent republic in the Americas, after the US. And it took us fifty-eight years to officially recognize that.

I love Rush....

He kicks liberal ass day in and day out...

And he is funny as hell doing it.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

There is no example of a successful black nation or city without substantial foreign support.

 

[Desperado]

"The Dominican edge in tourism comes partly from the country’s forests, which cover more than 40% of the country (against less than 4% in Haiti). It takes in double the amount in remittances, in part because its diaspora is larger and located mainly in the United States and Spain. A big chunk of expat Haitians are in the Dominican Republic."

A big chunk of expat Haitians are also located in South Florida

 

[Coyote]

Interesting tidbits on Haiti's history...hadn't realized this...

Why is Haiti considerably poorer?
Haiti won its independence after a long revolution that destroyed a lot of the country. They were then required to pay a large indemnity to France or else many countries—including the United States—refused to acknowledge Haiti for fear that it would encourage an American slave revolt. More recently, both Haiti and the Dominican Republic were occupied by the United States, but Haiti was occupied for much longer. By the time the U.S. pulled out in 1934, Haiti's own institutions had atrophied.

How have deforestation and soil erosion impacted Haiti?
Deforestation has drastically worsened the impact of hurricanes and tropical storms. On the southern border between the countries, you can see the green forest stops and it's barren on the Haitian side.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

How have deforestation and soil erosion impacted Haiti?
Deforestation has drastically worsened the impact of hurricanes and tropical storms. On the southern border between the countries, you can see the green forest stops and it's barren on the Haitian side.

Cursed!

The massacre, which took place throughout Haiti, occurred from early January 1804 until 22 April 1804 and resulted in the death of 3,000 to 5,000 men, women, and children.[4]

Squads of soldiers moved from house to house, torturing and killing entire families.[5]Even whites who had been friendly and sympathetic to the black population were imprisoned and later killed.[6] A second wave of massacres targeted white women and children.[6]

 

[Pogo]

The shithole side is 95% black. The other is multiracial.

That is idiotic.

The reason's for the differences are more complex then that starting with basic geography.

https://www.economist.com/news/amer...ns-other-has-not-had-proper-government-months

This divergence in fortunes has many causes, starting with geography. The Dominican Republic is the greener, rainier side of the island and has better farmland. France, Haiti’s colonial overlord, imported vast numbers of slaves to work the sugar-cane fields. Spanish rule of Santo Domingo, as it was known, was less brutal, in part because Spain had more lucrative possessions in other parts of Latin America to exploit. When Haiti gained independence in 1804 it was an overpopulated plantation economy. The Dominican Republic started out as a society of small farmers. It has retained closer ties with its former Spanish masters than Haiti has with France.

So you are saying that they had 114 years to improve things on their own but even today they are still eating dirt!

Between 1857 (five years before the US even recognized the government of Haiti, and 1913, we sent military intervention into Haiti nineteen times, including trying to strongarm a naval base in 1889. Then from 1915 to 1934 the US actually occupied Haiti, altering its laws to take parcels of land, and more recently was economically blockaded by the Reagan, Bush I and Clinton administrations.

Today we point the finger and go "shithole" as if it's some exotic place we've got nothing to do with. Or to put it another way the current POTUS seems to have imposed a historical blockade.

Haiti-US Relations

 

[Coyote]

Answer me this, why the difference on the same island?
One side of the island a shit hole the other side of the same island a popular tourist destination.


Haiti and the Dominican Republic: One island, two worlds | Global Ideas | DW | 12.02.2013

"Tourist destination" huh?

Isn't that where Lush Rimjob went with a carton of Viagra? "Tourist", wink wink.

Fun fact: Haiti was the second independent republic in the Americas, after the US. And it took us fifty-eight years to officially recognize that.

The shithole side is 95% black. The other is multiracial.

That is idiotic.

The reason's for the differences are more complex then that starting with basic geography.

https://www.economist.com/news/amer...ns-other-has-not-had-proper-government-months

This divergence in fortunes has many causes, starting with geography. The Dominican Republic is the greener, rainier side of the island and has better farmland. France, Haiti’s colonial overlord, imported vast numbers of slaves to work the sugar-cane fields. Spanish rule of Santo Domingo, as it was known, was less brutal, in part because Spain had more lucrative possessions in other parts of Latin America to exploit. When Haiti gained independence in 1804 it was an overpopulated plantation economy. The Dominican Republic started out as a society of small farmers. It has retained closer ties with its former Spanish masters than Haiti has with France.

If geography was the problem, why were the French able to grow cane on it for so long?

Slave labor.

The reason stated was that it was poor farmland.

Sugar cane doesn't require rich farmland. But it's also not an easy crop to provide a sustainable income outside of large plantation style farms and Haiti no longer has those.


Agriculture in Haiti - Wikipedia
Sugar was another cash crop with a long history in Haiti. Christopher Columbus brought sugarcane to present-day Haiti on his second voyage to Hispaniola, and sugar rapidly became the colony's most important cash crop. After 1804, production never returned to pre-independence levels, but sugar production and low-level exports continued. Unlike the system in other Caribbean countries, sugar in Haiti was a cash crop raised by peasants rather than by large-scale plantations. The sugar harvest dipped to under 4 million tons by the early 1970s, but it rebounded to nearly 6 million tons of cane by the middle of the decade with a sharp increase in the world price of the commodity. Lower world prices and structural problems combined to cause a drop in sugar output in the 1980s; by the end of the decade, sugarcane covered fewer than 114,000 hectares of the coastal plains, and it yielded fewer than 4.5 million tons annually.[4]

Further expansion of the sugar industry faced serious deeprooted obstacles. For example, the production cost of Haitian sugar was three times more than the world price in the 1980s. Shifts in the world sugar market, caused mainly by the international substitution of corn-based fructose for sugarcane, exerted further pressure on Haitian producers. One result of this situation was the practice of importing sugar, which was then reexported to the United States under the Haitian sugar quota. Reductions in Haiti's quota during the 1980s, however, limited exchanges of this sort.[4]

Total sugar exports dropped from 19,200 tons in 1980 to 6,500 tons in 1987. In 1981, 1982, and 1988 Haiti exported no sugar. Haiti's four sugar mills closed temporarily on several occasions during the decade. The oldest mill, the Haitian American Sugar Company (HASCO), was the only plant that maintained a large cane plantation. Realizing the dim future for sugar, outside development agencies proposed alternatives to sugar, such as soybeans, for Haiti's plains.[4]

 

[Coyote]

What the hell...blame Haiti's problems on being black...it's the trend these days.