H.R. 5741 - "Universal National Service Act"

Why NOT a draft? I am generally against conscription, BUT, we are witnessing constant wars with no one paying for them monetarily or personally.

If these neonons and right wing warmongers want war, then WHY shouldn't THEIR kids go fight them...

Robert Kennedy in his last campaign chastised rich kids getting deferments and shirking their responsibilities as citizens.

If there were a draft, maybe we would have a REAL debate and dialogue about war?

Parents of soldiers killed in SE Asia were one of the prime components of ending the Vietnam War. That's why Bush et al did not want a draft: he and his buds had a war machine without accountability to the parents of draftees.
 
Get out your brown shirts and get ready to learn the Dusseldorf Goose Step.

Heil Obama.
 
Why NOT a draft? I am generally against conscription, BUT, we are witnessing constant wars with no one paying for them monetarily or personally.

If these neonons and right wing warmongers want war, then WHY shouldn't THEIR kids go fight them...

Robert Kennedy in his last campaign chastised rich kids getting deferments and shirking their responsibilities as citizens.

If there were a draft, maybe we would have a REAL debate and dialogue about war?

Parents of soldiers killed in SE Asia were one of the prime components of ending the Vietnam War. That's why Bush et al did not want a draft: he and his buds had a war machine without accountability to the parents of draftees.

Let's not forget the right wing's final solution...privatization! REAL Brown Shirt mercenaries like Black Water that are not held to any laws and they pay their 'shooters' more than 10X what a GI makes...

GUESS WHO pays for it??? WE DO.
 
Why NOT a draft? I am generally against conscription, BUT, we are witnessing constant wars with no one paying for them monetarily or personally.

If these neonons and right wing warmongers want war, then WHY shouldn't THEIR kids go fight them...

Robert Kennedy in his last campaign chastised rich kids getting deferments and shirking their responsibilities as citizens.

If there were a draft, maybe we would have a REAL debate and dialogue about war?

What difference did that make During Viet Nam?

ZERO.

We didn't get out of that country because millions of American were protesting.

We got out because we got our asses kicked.
 
Why NOT a draft? I am generally against conscription, BUT, we are witnessing constant wars with no one paying for them monetarily or personally.

If these neonons and right wing warmongers want war, then WHY shouldn't THEIR kids go fight them...

Robert Kennedy in his last campaign chastised rich kids getting deferments and shirking their responsibilities as citizens.

If there were a draft, maybe we would have a REAL debate and dialogue about war?

Parents of soldiers killed in SE Asia were one of the prime components of ending the Vietnam War. That's why Bush et al did not want a draft: he and his buds had a war machine without accountability to the parents of draftees.

Let's not forget the right wing's final solution...privatization! REAL Brown Shirt mercenaries like Black Water that are not held to any laws and they pay their 'shooters' more than 10X what a GI makes...

GUESS WHO pays for it??? WE DO.
That makes no logical sense. The brown shirts were similar to Americorps where the government sponsored young children and adults to be a service to their country. They quickly were taught to turn in their family and friends to the government for "unpatriotic" activity or subversive beliefs to the government.

Who the fuck is going to hire mercenaries? Particularly expensive mercenaries? Your theory is nothing more than the spittle flecked screamings of a delusional moron. You need help. I suggest you commit yourself for a few months, till after November so you can get a chance to get your meds straightened out and you can deal with reality again.
 
Parents of soldiers killed in SE Asia were one of the prime components of ending the Vietnam War. That's why Bush et al did not want a draft: he and his buds had a war machine without accountability to the parents of draftees.

Let's not forget the right wing's final solution...privatization! REAL Brown Shirt mercenaries like Black Water that are not held to any laws and they pay their 'shooters' more than 10X what a GI makes...

GUESS WHO pays for it??? WE DO.
That makes no logical sense. The brown shirts were similar to Americorps where the government sponsored young children and adults to be a service to their country. They quickly were taught to turn in their family and friends to the government for "unpatriotic" activity or subversive beliefs to the government.

Who the fuck is going to hire mercenaries? Particularly expensive mercenaries? Your theory is nothing more than the spittle flecked screamings of a delusional moron. You need help. I suggest you commit yourself for a few months, till after November so you can get a chance to get your meds straightened out and you can deal with reality again.

Ah, more pea brainisms...


The Sturmabteilung, Storm Division or Battalion, abbreviated SA and usually translated as stormtroop(er)s, functioned as a paramilitary organization of the Nazi Party.

The term Sturmabteilung predates the founding of the Nazi Party in 1919. It originally comes from the specialized assault troops used by Germany in World War I utilizing Hutier infiltration tactics.

The future SA developed by organizing and formalizing the groups of ex-soldiers and beer hall brawlers who were to protect gatherings of the Nazi Party from disruptions from Social Democrats and Communists. By September 1921 the name Sturmabteilung was being used informally for the group. Hitler, it should be noted, was the official head of the Nazi Party by this time.
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NEXT?
 
Why NOT a draft? I am generally against conscription, BUT, we are witnessing constant wars with no one paying for them monetarily or personally.

If these neonons and right wing warmongers want war, then WHY shouldn't THEIR kids go fight them...

Robert Kennedy in his last campaign chastised rich kids getting deferments and shirking their responsibilities as citizens.

If there were a draft, maybe we would have a REAL debate and dialogue about war?

What difference did that make During Viet Nam?

ZERO.

We didn't get out of that country because millions of American were protesting.

We got out because we got our asses kicked.

ZERO? Are you kidding? Were you alive back then?

"The whole world is watching"

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Let's not forget the right wing's final solution...privatization! REAL Brown Shirt mercenaries like Black Water that are not held to any laws and they pay their 'shooters' more than 10X what a GI makes...

GUESS WHO pays for it??? WE DO.
That makes no logical sense. The brown shirts were similar to Americorps where the government sponsored young children and adults to be a service to their country. They quickly were taught to turn in their family and friends to the government for "unpatriotic" activity or subversive beliefs to the government.

Who the fuck is going to hire mercenaries? Particularly expensive mercenaries? Your theory is nothing more than the spittle flecked screamings of a delusional moron. You need help. I suggest you commit yourself for a few months, till after November so you can get a chance to get your meds straightened out and you can deal with reality again.

Ah, more pea brainisms...


The Sturmabteilung, Storm Division or Battalion, abbreviated SA and usually translated as stormtroop(er)s, functioned as a paramilitary organization of the Nazi Party.

The term Sturmabteilung predates the founding of the Nazi Party in 1919. It originally comes from the specialized assault troops used by Germany in World War I utilizing Hutier infiltration tactics.

The future SA developed by organizing and formalizing the groups of ex-soldiers and beer hall brawlers who were to protect gatherings of the Nazi Party from disruptions from Social Democrats and Communists. By September 1921 the name Sturmabteilung was being used informally for the group. Hitler, it should be noted, was the official head of the Nazi Party by this time.
wiki


NEXT?
Oh my bad... The Hitler Youth never wore brown shirts or turned people in. :rolleyes: Please then explain the use of the SEIU to disrupt Tea Parties, anti-P-BO care rallies, intimidate private citizens who are not obeying the state, and to pack pro P-BO and Party apparatchik... I mean congressional democrat rallies?

I'm impressed you haven't screamed "Haliburton" once during this thread.
 
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That makes no logical sense. The brown shirts were similar to Americorps where the government sponsored young children and adults to be a service to their country. They quickly were taught to turn in their family and friends to the government for "unpatriotic" activity or subversive beliefs to the government.

Who the fuck is going to hire mercenaries? Particularly expensive mercenaries? Your theory is nothing more than the spittle flecked screamings of a delusional moron. You need help. I suggest you commit yourself for a few months, till after November so you can get a chance to get your meds straightened out and you can deal with reality again.

Ah, more pea brainisms...


The Sturmabteilung, Storm Division or Battalion, abbreviated SA and usually translated as stormtroop(er)s, functioned as a paramilitary organization of the Nazi Party.

The term Sturmabteilung predates the founding of the Nazi Party in 1919. It originally comes from the specialized assault troops used by Germany in World War I utilizing Hutier infiltration tactics.

The future SA developed by organizing and formalizing the groups of ex-soldiers and beer hall brawlers who were to protect gatherings of the Nazi Party from disruptions from Social Democrats and Communists. By September 1921 the name Sturmabteilung was being used informally for the group. Hitler, it should be noted, was the official head of the Nazi Party by this time.
wiki


NEXT?
Oh my bad... The Hitler Youth never wore brown shirts or turned people in. :rolleyes: Please then explain the use of the SEIU to disrupt Tea Parties, anti-P-BO care rallies, intimidate private citizens who are not obeying the state, and to pack pro P-BO and Party apparatchik... I mean congressional democrat rallies?

I'm impressed you haven't screamed "Haliburton" once during this thread.

To compare the Hitler Youth to Americorp takes a real right wing paranoid pea sized brain.

Hitler's Brownshirts were ADULTS, not children.

HERE are your REAL brownshirts pea brain...I am sure you will not watch it...you are too fucking stupid and brainwashed...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqM4tKPDlR8]YouTube - Blackwater: Shadow Army[/ame]
 
Parents of soldiers killed in SE Asia were one of the prime components of ending the Vietnam War. That's why Bush et al did not want a draft: he and his buds had a war machine without accountability to the parents of draftees.

Let's not forget the right wing's final solution...privatization! REAL Brown Shirt mercenaries like Black Water that are not held to any laws and they pay their 'shooters' more than 10X what a GI makes...

GUESS WHO pays for it??? WE DO.
That makes no logical sense. The brown shirts were similar to Americorps where the government sponsored young children and adults to be a service to their country. They quickly were taught to turn in their family and friends to the government for "unpatriotic" activity or subversive beliefs to the government.

Who the fuck is going to hire mercenaries? Particularly expensive mercenaries? Your theory is nothing more than the spittle flecked screamings of a delusional moron. You need help. I suggest you commit yourself for a few months, till after November so you can get a chance to get your meds straightened out and you can deal with reality again.

Fits is revising history again. Bush and the DOD hired mercenaries to make up the boots needed on the ground for "the surge." Of course private business hires mercenaries. What do you think Vance International does for Massey and Peabody in the coal fields when the miners strike?

The only spittle here, Fits (how aptly you are named), is from your own frothing mouth. :lol:
 
That makes no logical sense. The brown shirts were similar to Americorps where the government sponsored young children and adults to be a service to their country. They quickly were taught to turn in their family and friends to the government for "unpatriotic" activity or subversive beliefs to the government.

Who the fuck is going to hire mercenaries? Particularly expensive mercenaries? Your theory is nothing more than the spittle flecked screamings of a delusional moron. You need help. I suggest you commit yourself for a few months, till after November so you can get a chance to get your meds straightened out and you can deal with reality again.

Ah, more pea brainisms...


The Sturmabteilung, Storm Division or Battalion, abbreviated SA and usually translated as stormtroop(er)s, functioned as a paramilitary organization of the Nazi Party.

The term Sturmabteilung predates the founding of the Nazi Party in 1919. It originally comes from the specialized assault troops used by Germany in World War I utilizing Hutier infiltration tactics.

The future SA developed by organizing and formalizing the groups of ex-soldiers and beer hall brawlers who were to protect gatherings of the Nazi Party from disruptions from Social Democrats and Communists. By September 1921 the name Sturmabteilung was being used informally for the group. Hitler, it should be noted, was the official head of the Nazi Party by this time.
wiki


NEXT?
Oh my bad... The Hitler Youth never wore brown shirts or turned people in. :rolleyes: Please then explain the use of the SEIU to disrupt Tea Parties, anti-P-BO care rallies, intimidate private citizens who are not obeying the state, and to pack pro P-BO and Party apparatchik... I mean congressional democrat rallies?

I'm impressed you haven't screamed "Haliburton" once during this thread.

Much of that effort was to stop the Tea Party intimidations of normal, peaceful gatherings at the town halls. Yet you cry when your folks get slapped down?
 
KevinKennedy, once again you are cautioned that your opinion is neither fact nor probative.

Look whose talking.

National service, of course, is constitutional. Let's move on.

No, this proposed service is not Constitutional.

The Will of the People can alter the Constitution. I speak as an informed citizen who understands these matters, am objective in my studies, and not blinded by the prism of any "ism', Intense. You are the one who talks as if you were a lackey of an institution whether public or private, whereas I am not in government and am very successful professionally, financially, and socially in my chosen field.

You don't know nearly as much as you think you do. You can bank on that one.
 
Taz, I know far more than you, am able to reason far better than you, and have a better, nuanced, and more sophisticated understanding than you. You are a far right wing tardo. Sorry, son: it is what it is.
 
Taz, I know far more than you, am able to reason far better than you, and have a better, nuanced, and more sophisticated understanding than you. You are a far right wing tardo. Sorry, son: it is what it is.

:lol: What ever helps you sleep at night.
 
The purpose of the Hitler youth was to totally indoctrinate Germany's young people to accept Hitler's goals and principles and to adore him. To accomplish the goal, all other youth programs were abolished, the education system was completely controlled by the central government as was the media which would be heavily used for additional indoctrination. There was much quite poignant poetry and songs created to adore the Fuehrer that emerged from that era. It all seemed quite harmless, noble, and patriotic at the time.

. . . .Schirach asked Adolf Hitler to allow him to create an independent youth movement. Hitler agreed and Schirach now made several important changes to the way it was organized. In 1936 membership of the HJ was made compulsory for all boys aged 15 and 18. At the same time all other youth organizations were banned.

In 1938 there were 8,000 full-time leaders of the HJ. There were also 720,000 part-time HJ leaders, often schoolteachers, who had been trained in National Socialist principles.

For boys aged between 10 and 14 years Baldur von Schirach set up the Jungvolk. The boys had to learn semaphore, arms drill, and take part in two-day cross-country hikes. They also had to learn Nazi dogma and once they passed the necessary tests they were given a special dagger marked "Blood and Honour". The main objective of the organization was to provide Adolf Hitler with loyal supporters

Once girls reached the age of they could join the Jungmädel. At 14 they entered the Bund Deutscher Mädel. (German Girls' League). This included a year of farm or domestic service. They were trained by female guardians and their overall leader was Gertrud Scholtz-Klink. . . .
Hitler Youth

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Why NOT a draft? I am generally against conscription, BUT, we are witnessing constant wars with no one paying for them monetarily or personally.

If these neonons and right wing warmongers want war, then WHY shouldn't THEIR kids go fight them...

Robert Kennedy in his last campaign chastised rich kids getting deferments and shirking their responsibilities as citizens.

If there were a draft, maybe we would have a REAL debate and dialogue about war?

Two wrongs don't make a right. Just because the state thinks it should have the right to invade and occupy any foreign state it can sufficiently convince the public is "evil" doesn't mean we should also sanction the state enslaving citizens to fight in those wars.
 
KevinKennedy, once again your opinion is not evidence, merely only what you think. SCOTUS disagrees.
 
KevinKennedy, once again your opinion is not evidence, merely only what you think. SCOTUS disagrees.

Do you know what the purpose of a message board is? For people to give their opinions on a given subject. That's what I do here, that's what you do here, and that's what everybody else does here.
 

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