H.R. 5741 - "Universal National Service Act"

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    H.R. 5741: To require all persons in the United States between the ages of 18 and 42 to perform national... (GovTrack.us)

    This is, of course, completely unconstitutional.

    "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction." - 13th Amendment

    Requiring us to perform national service clearly falls under the category of involuntary servitude, otherwise it wouldn't have to be required. Under no circumstances should anyone be forced to serve the state against their will.
     
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    Since when does the Constitution matter to Obama?
     
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    Or any politician.
     
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    Having grown up in a era and social class in which narcissism and money worship hadn't yet provided the primary moral value of Americans, I find arguments against serving the nation that serves you rather thoughtless and empty. If one enjoys the fruits of a society does one have no responsibility to that society? Let's face it no state of nature exists, and if it did the weenies would quickly die off as their primary work is whining about the government that provides the structure and stability in which they live and mostly pout. Have a DI scream at them and they'd run back to mommy anyway, but hey, it would be fun watching. :tongue:
     
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    Note that just because a bill in introduced, that doesn't mean it's going anywhere (particularly when it has no co-sponsors and its author is fast on his way to pariah status).

    That said, conscription has generally been defended under the Congressional authority "To raise and support Armies." The Supreme Court has suggested that the Thirteenth Amendment isn't relevant in such cases:

    You can argue whether or not this applies to the sort of national service in this bill but it's not immediately obvious it wouldn't have similar justifications.
     
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    Having been one of those people thrown under the bus of selective service, I quite understand these objections to endentured servitude.

    This sort of issue is exactly why we need a new for of Constitution goverment.

    As a society we either decide to have national service that is truly universal or we ought to bag the whole idea.

    I do not think an issue of this magnitude to be left up to our representatives in Congress because its too damned important for just 545 people to decide.

    We have the communications technology now to have a different kind of governance -- one that makes truly DEMOCRATIC decisions rather than depending ENTIRELY on the Republican style we have now with our Congress.

    And an issue like this one is exactly the kind of decision that really ought to be DIRECTLY left up to the PEOPLE.

    We need to put more democracy into this democratic republic, folks. And I do NOT mean giving the STATE LEGISLATURES (that are just a freaking coruupted as our FEDERAL system) still more power over our lives.

    It's not the 18th century anymore, kids.

    It's time for the USA to grow up and it's time for the PEOPLE, not the elite among us, to take charge of our national fate.

    REFERENUM decision making is now possible and we ought to create a consitution that makes some kinds of decisions (including going to war..especially going to war) in the hands of the PEOPLE.
     
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    This isn't about serving society, it's about serving the government. But no one should be forced to do either.
     
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    But this is not for military service.

    This is just mandatory slave labor in the service of the state. A whole different kettle of month old rotten fish.

    And given the Pentagon's experience with conscript troops, those who were in the military back then are the most passionately anti draft. It is a disaster.
     
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    Fuck you! How does that sound?
     

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