Guys, please educate me on this 2nd Amendment Issue, I'm trying to understand

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  1. Bootney Lee Farnsworth
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    That is a complete and utter falsehood.

    "When the people fear the government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."
    —Thomas Jefferson

    "Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny."
    —Thomas Jefferson

    "Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action."
    —George Washington

    "Overgrown military establishments are under any form of government inauspicious to liberty, and are to be regarded as particularly hostile to liberty."
    —George Washington

    "The means of defense against a foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home."
    —James Madison

    "If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be under the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."
    —James Madison

    "I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments by those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations. ... The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home..If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be under the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."
    --President James Madison

    "When once a republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil."
    — Thomas Jefferson

    "Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God"
    —Benjamin Franklin

    "It is the duty of the patriot to protect its country from its government."
    —Thomas Paine


    Our founders UNEQUIVOCALLY AND ALMOST UNANIMOUSLY believed in keeping the power to overthrow our government for fear of replacing one form of tyranny (British Crown) with another.

    We have a 2nd Amendment PRIMARILY to prevent tyranny in our own government.

    WE CANNOT PREVENT OUTRIGHT TYRANNY WITHOUT EQUAL ARMS.
     
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    Well, the problem with your argument is that the Founding Fathers envisioned the population having the same weapons as the government. Soldiers in any army in the world at that time used muskets, just like the ordinary citizen. Of course, the ordinary citizen didn't' own canon, but then cannon doesn't really come under the 2nd Amendment.

    As weapon technology improved, so did the weapons that the citizens owned.

    The truth of this entire debate is that there are those who have a knee-jerk fear response to a horrific shooting like this. But when taken as a whole, there are over 100 million guns in this country and out of all those guns, there are less than 15,000 misuses of these guns. The fear isn't justified.
     
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    Now THIS ^ is total bullshit! That's why it says the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. It don't say militia it says the PEOPLE.
     
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    Maybe you might want to point out in that Wikipedia article where I am supposedly "not as you'd hope it would be."
     
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    UM Why did they flee England and why was there a revolutionary war ? They knew damn well they'd be infiltrated and you have been ! The bankers own your asses and your govt ! The vast majority of you idiots don't even own your own homes !
     
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    Who said anything about a 600 round magazine?

    Do you understand what "rate of fire" means?
     
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    But you didn't say that. You said..."but it can fire 600 rounds per minute....", that's what you said. You didn't say rate of fire. So stop your double talking nonsense and tell us all where you can get a 600 round mag so it can shoot 600 rounds per minute like you said it could?
     
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    Not a single 1 of those out of context quotes supports the notion that the founding fathers envisioned the people overthrowing the government they were creating. All those quotes were made when they were taking part in a rebellion against Great Britain.. In fact the constitution explicitly gives Congress the power to put down insurrections. Bet you didn't know that.
     
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    Modern scholars Thomas B. McAffee and Michael J. Quinlan have stated that James Madison "did not invent the right to keep and bear arms when he drafted the Second Amendment; the right was pre-existing at both common law and in the early state constitutions."[72] In contrast, historian Jack Rakove suggests that Madison's intention in framing the Second Amendment was to provide assurances to moderate Anti-Federalists that the militias would not be disarmed
     
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    Do you understand what rate of fire means?
    I can drive at 60 mph without actually driving 60 miles
     
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