Guns don’t keep us safe.

I'd rather there be no government. At least I stand a chance against a common thug. I can't combat the police for unjust bullshit like arresting me for not wearing a fucking seatbelt LOL.

The dollar is gonna collapse in my lifetime anyway and will throw a nice kink in the system.

It already has. They, and every other "democratic" government on this planet, have been spending money they don't have and artificially propping up their currencies to keep their economies afloat.

That is exactly what they want. When money becomes worthless, they will tell us we need a one-world currency in order to reset things, and soon after that, you will have Orwell's vision - it will simply be 75 years later. They will have power over even the super-rich, because money will no longer mean anything.

They will control all finance. You won't be able to buy or sell anything without their permission.

This is what the Nazis ultimately did. People in Germany could have had guns, and it wouldn't have mattered. You had to be a card-carrying Nazi to be able to buy or sell. Or at least ACT like one. Same difference.

The only thing that can prevent this - take back your right to self-determination. Stop voting for people, and demand the right that they start asking YOU what we should do. A real democracy. We don't have that, and never have.

I'm hoping that once this happens people will go back to trading currency that is finite and tangible such as gold and silver.

As for the rest, my voting record speaks for itself, as it barely exists :)

A real Democracy isn't what I want either. Majority rule (aka Democracy) is just a different kind of oppression.
 
I have guns in my house. If my son killed me using one of my guns it wouldn't be because the guns didn't protect me.

It would be because my son went nuts.

And that won't happen anytime soon because he isn't on ANY Prescription Medications.

Then what would you have a gun to protect you from? People that kill are not always nuts.
 
I have guns in my house. If my son killed me using one of my guns it wouldn't be because the guns didn't protect me.

It would be because my son went nuts.

And that won't happen anytime soon because he isn't on ANY Prescription Medications.

Then what would you have a gun to protect you from? People that kill are not always nuts.

Seriously? The point is that his guns would be gone because his son stole them and then used them to further his insane agenda. Had some other kid stolen his parents gun and then came into this gentleman's house, he would have his weapon to protect is family from that person's insane agenda.
 
That story of being less safe with a gun in the house has been proven wrong for years. I am surprised that people still use it. There are thousands of crimes stopped each year by homeowners with guns. There are fewer people accidentally killed with guns in the USA than die from bathroom falls. Most of the "kids" (age to 22 years old) that are counted as people killed are crooks killed by police or other gang members.
What has happened in our schools recently is horrifying simply because our children ought to be safe when they are in school. Lets make them safe, put armed security in the schools. If you think that is a dumb idea then tell the president to lose the security guards that he has - they aren't necessary and tell your bank to get rid of their security guards - they aren't necessary. Tell Brady and Kennedy to get rid of their security guards - they aren't necessary. Tell your grocery store that they don't need that security guard and the stadiums where you watch sports that they don't need their guards.
There are more banks in most towns than there are schools, how can it be too expensive to put security in place for our children? Give the kids a chance to grow up and be adults too.

You have nothing to back up the psycho babbling. No one is against armed security but against arming teachers. Armed security is not enough if the school and the classrooms are not secure. Armed guards get killed all the time. Columbing had armed guards and 11 children were killed. Armed border patrol agents get killed and illegal aliens get pass them and enter the country and kill 15 americans daily and rape 8 children daily. Armed will help but not enough. 6,000 armed troops were killed in Iraq.
 
That story of being less safe with a gun in the house has been proven wrong for years. I am surprised that people still use it. There are thousands of crimes stopped each year by homeowners with guns. There are fewer people accidentally killed with guns in the USA than die from bathroom falls. Most of the "kids" (age to 22 years old) that are counted as people killed are crooks killed by police or other gang members.
What has happened in our schools recently is horrifying simply because our children ought to be safe when they are in school. Lets make them safe, put armed security in the schools. If you think that is a dumb idea then tell the president to lose the security guards that he has - they aren't necessary and tell your bank to get rid of their security guards - they aren't necessary. Tell Brady and Kennedy to get rid of their security guards - they aren't necessary. Tell your grocery store that they don't need that security guard and the stadiums where you watch sports that they don't need their guards.
There are more banks in most towns than there are schools, how can it be too expensive to put security in place for our children? Give the kids a chance to grow up and be adults too.

You have nothing to back up the psycho babbling. No one is against armed security but against arming teachers. Armed security is not enough if the school and the classrooms are not secure. Armed guards get killed all the time. Columbing had armed guards and 11 children were killed. Armed border patrol agents get killed and illegal aliens get pass them and enter the country and kill 15 americans daily and rape 8 children daily. Armed will help but not enough. 6,000 armed troops were killed in Iraq.

Armed teachers = armed guards
 
There are thousands of crimes stopped each year by homeowners with guns.

There are also tens of thousands of murders committed every year that wouldn't be because of the propensity of guns in this country.

That works BOTH ways.

A murder is a murder, whether the victim was a criminal who "deserved" it or not. This is part of the problem which causes our indifference to violence. It's OK for someone who "deserves it" or was "asking for it" to be killed, but not at Sandy Hook. Then it's wrong. If Treyvon Martin was beating the stuffing out of George Zimmerman, it becomes OK for him to die. Over a simple misunderstanding? This is the problem everyone avoids.

I just wish the gun lovers would simply admit that they wish to be able to have the means to kill someone. At least that would be honest.

They do admit it. You just don't accept it. A murderer has the same right to life as his victim. That's the way you think because that is what liberals everywhere think. Let me be perhaps the first to "admit" it. I want to have the means to kill anyone who threatens my life or the lives of my loved ones.

Is that clear enough?
 
Sorry but it is bordering on the insane to assume that an 11th law would stop people form breaking the previous 10 that they were already ignoring.

I wish that gun haters would admit that they only want "the trustworthy (LOL) government" and criminals who clearly won't and do not obey the law to have the means to kill someone. At least that would be honest.

Edit: We should clarify our statements by saying "the means to kill someone by pulling a trigger" or something of that nature, since clearly there are millions of ways to kill people without guns.

Your paranoia is justfied about the government, but seriously misplaced. They have wrapped their economic tentacles around our economy, and when they're ready to take over, they won't have to fire a shot. Your guns will be useless. They already are.

You should be worried about how our governments spend over 1/3 of GDP, and what would happen to the economy of the planet if that was reduced by even 10%. The economy is already starting to tank because of the THREAT of spending cuts or higher taxes.

"Deficit reduction"? What a joke.

Most murders are committed by someone who knew the victim. Not strangers.

Columbine was done by two guys who knew their victims. At least knew OF them. So was Sandy Hook - cripes, he STARTED by shooting his own mother. So was VA Tech. They had an armed campus police force there. He KNEW that. Didn't save anyone.

You just want the ability to kill someone else. But it doesn't make you safer. You've had the right to own guns, and the carnage continues. Doesn't stop anyone, does it? As long as it doesn't happen to you - is THAT how it works?

If someone really WANTED to kill you, they could with very little effort. Get a high-powered rifle, get a little training, and that semi-auto handgun you carry is useless. One in the back of the head, you wouldn't even know it.

Yea, let the carnage continue, and you give your "evil" government even MORE "ammunition" to gain even more control.

I'd rather there be no government. At least I stand a chance against a common thug. I can't combat the police for unjust bullshit like arresting me for not wearing a fucking seatbelt LOL.

The dollar is gonna collapse in my lifetime anyway and will throw a nice kink in the system.

Stupid fuck, the gov't don't prevent you from protecting yuorself. No one has ever been arrested for not wearing a seat belt. Doesn't matter anyway because probably don't have a pot to piss in anyway. Right wing village idiot.
 
Your paranoia is justfied about the government, but seriously misplaced. They have wrapped their economic tentacles around our economy, and when they're ready to take over, they won't have to fire a shot. Your guns will be useless. They already are.

You should be worried about how our governments spend over 1/3 of GDP, and what would happen to the economy of the planet if that was reduced by even 10%. The economy is already starting to tank because of the THREAT of spending cuts or higher taxes.

"Deficit reduction"? What a joke.

Most murders are committed by someone who knew the victim. Not strangers.

Columbine was done by two guys who knew their victims. At least knew OF them. So was Sandy Hook - cripes, he STARTED by shooting his own mother. So was VA Tech. They had an armed campus police force there. He KNEW that. Didn't save anyone.

You just want the ability to kill someone else. But it doesn't make you safer. You've had the right to own guns, and the carnage continues. Doesn't stop anyone, does it? As long as it doesn't happen to you - is THAT how it works?

If someone really WANTED to kill you, they could with very little effort. Get a high-powered rifle, get a little training, and that semi-auto handgun you carry is useless. One in the back of the head, you wouldn't even know it.

Yea, let the carnage continue, and you give your "evil" government even MORE "ammunition" to gain even more control.

I'd rather there be no government. At least I stand a chance against a common thug. I can't combat the police for unjust bullshit like arresting me for not wearing a fucking seatbelt LOL.

The dollar is gonna collapse in my lifetime anyway and will throw a nice kink in the system.

Stupid fuck, the gov't don't prevent you from protecting yuorself. No one has ever been arrested for not wearing a seat belt. Doesn't matter anyway because probably don't have a pot to piss in anyway. Right wing village idiot.

Taking my guns prevents me from protecting myself in the same manner as say, a person who works for the government.

I can't buy a number of weapons. Why can't I protect myself with the same equipment used to protect say Joe Biden?

As for the seat belt: Click here. People have and continue to be arrested for it. Therefore we have the paradox that the government prevents me from protecting myself while at the same time arresting me for not protecting myself.

DUN DUN DUN
 
That story of being less safe with a gun in the house has been proven wrong for years. I am surprised that people still use it. There are thousands of crimes stopped each year by homeowners with guns. There are fewer people accidentally killed with guns in the USA than die from bathroom falls. Most of the "kids" (age to 22 years old) that are counted as people killed are crooks killed by police or other gang members.
What has happened in our schools recently is horrifying simply because our children ought to be safe when they are in school. Lets make them safe, put armed security in the schools. If you think that is a dumb idea then tell the president to lose the security guards that he has - they aren't necessary and tell your bank to get rid of their security guards - they aren't necessary. Tell Brady and Kennedy to get rid of their security guards - they aren't necessary. Tell your grocery store that they don't need that security guard and the stadiums where you watch sports that they don't need their guards.
There are more banks in most towns than there are schools, how can it be too expensive to put security in place for our children? Give the kids a chance to grow up and be adults too.

You have nothing to back up the psycho babbling. No one is against armed security but against arming teachers. Armed security is not enough if the school and the classrooms are not secure. Armed guards get killed all the time. Columbing had armed guards and 11 children were killed. Armed border patrol agents get killed and illegal aliens get pass them and enter the country and kill 15 americans daily and rape 8 children daily. Armed will help but not enough. 6,000 armed troops were killed in Iraq.

Armed teachers = armed guards


How do you think children would feel seeing their beloved teachers blow someone's head off? Secure the door to the class room and build safe rooms in all class rooms. People that kill other people like in Iraq end up committing sucide. You rightous right don't want people to have abortions but have no problem killing for any other reason.
Armed teachers will never equal armed guards and no guarentee they will use them anyway.

Matt 10;18...And do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; but rather be afraid of Him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

If you had enough faith in your GOD you would not need a gun to feel safe.
 
I'd rather there be no government. At least I stand a chance against a common thug. I can't combat the police for unjust bullshit like arresting me for not wearing a fucking seatbelt LOL.

The dollar is gonna collapse in my lifetime anyway and will throw a nice kink in the system.

Stupid fuck, the gov't don't prevent you from protecting yuorself. No one has ever been arrested for not wearing a seat belt. Doesn't matter anyway because probably don't have a pot to piss in anyway. Right wing village idiot.

Taking my guns prevents me from protecting myself in the same manner as say, a person who works for the government.

I can't buy a number of weapons. Why can't I protect myself with the same equipment used to protect say Joe Biden?

As for the seat belt: Click here. People have and continue to be arrested for it. Therefore we have the paradox that the government prevents me from protecting myself while at the same time arresting me for not protecting myself.

DUN DUN DUN

No one want your guns and you are no Joe Biden. If you had 20 death threats against you daily, maybe the govenemnt would give you armed guard protection. SO protect your onw damn self.
 
You have nothing to back up the psycho babbling. No one is against armed security but against arming teachers. Armed security is not enough if the school and the classrooms are not secure. Armed guards get killed all the time. Columbing had armed guards and 11 children were killed. Armed border patrol agents get killed and illegal aliens get pass them and enter the country and kill 15 americans daily and rape 8 children daily. Armed will help but not enough. 6,000 armed troops were killed in Iraq.

Armed teachers = armed guards


How do you think children would feel seeing their beloved teachers blow someone's head off? Secure the door to the class room and build safe rooms in all class rooms. People that kill other people like in Iraq end up committing sucide. You rightous right don't want people to have abortions but have no problem killing for any other reason.
Armed teachers will never equal armed guards and no guarentee they will use them anyway.

Matt 10;18...And do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; but rather be afraid of Him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

If you had enough faith in your GOD you would not need a gun to feel safe.

First, please don't assosciate me with Republicans or Conservatives or the Right whatever monicker you prefer to describe the people you think are so different from Democrats/Liberals/The Left/Monicker/Label.

Second, if there is a God I think he has better things to do than care about my level of faith in him or my personal day to day situation. I can't imagine someone of God's (I assume you mean Yahweh) abilities being so susceptible to human vanity.

Third, if teachers want to carry weapons they should be allowed to do so. Wasn't this geographical mass once known as the "Land of the Free"? You can't regulate insanity out of society, if anything I would say regulations encourage it (see government approved prescription drugs that a majority of mass shooters are using / see government approved schools that teach children right and wrong).

A teacher, or a janitor, or a Fortune 500 CEO, should have the same ability and means to protect themselves, their family, and their property that a member of Congress or the President.
 
Stupid fuck, the gov't don't prevent you from protecting yuorself. No one has ever been arrested for not wearing a seat belt. Doesn't matter anyway because probably don't have a pot to piss in anyway. Right wing village idiot.

Taking my guns prevents me from protecting myself in the same manner as say, a person who works for the government.

I can't buy a number of weapons. Why can't I protect myself with the same equipment used to protect say Joe Biden?

As for the seat belt: Click here. People have and continue to be arrested for it. Therefore we have the paradox that the government prevents me from protecting myself while at the same time arresting me for not protecting myself.

DUN DUN DUN

No one want your guns and you are no Joe Biden. If you had 20 death threats against you daily, maybe the govenemnt would give you armed guard protection. SO protect your onw damn self.

Plenty of people want my guns lol. Have you not seen declarations by those who write the laws? There are weapons I am not allowed to own as it stands.

It sounds like you want to say "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need(s)" when it comes to who gets protection.
 
Stupid fuck, the gov't don't prevent you from protecting yuorself. No one has ever been arrested for not wearing a seat belt. Doesn't matter anyway because probably don't have a pot to piss in anyway. Right wing village idiot.

Taking my guns prevents me from protecting myself in the same manner as say, a person who works for the government.

I can't buy a number of weapons. Why can't I protect myself with the same equipment used to protect say Joe Biden?

As for the seat belt: Click here. People have and continue to be arrested for it. Therefore we have the paradox that the government prevents me from protecting myself while at the same time arresting me for not protecting myself.

DUN DUN DUN

No one want your guns and you are no Joe Biden. If you had 20 death threats against you daily, maybe the govenemnt would give you armed guard protection. SO protect your onw damn self.

Isn't that exactly what he is trying to do but liberals are trying to prevent him from being able to do?

Immie
 
There are thousands of crimes stopped each year by homeowners with guns.

There are also tens of thousands of murders committed every year that wouldn't be because of the propensity of guns in this country.

That works BOTH ways.

A murder is a murder, whether the victim was a criminal who "deserved" it or not. This is part of the problem which causes our indifference to violence. It's OK for someone who "deserves it" or was "asking for it" to be killed, but not at Sandy Hook. Then it's wrong. If Treyvon Martin was beating the stuffing out of George Zimmerman, it becomes OK for him to die. Over a simple misunderstanding? This is the problem everyone avoids.

I just wish the gun lovers would simply admit that they wish to be able to have the means to kill someone. At least that would be honest.

I want the means to defend myself when someone else is trying to kill me. If that means killing them to stop them from killing me, I don't have a problem with that. It isn't my preference, but living over dying tips the scales for me.

Why would someone want to kill you? Is someone that angry with you? Jeez, where do you LIVE that the chances someone will want to harm you are so great?

You now stand a better chance of being shot by a wingnut in a shopping mall, or some unbalanced idiot on the road, or picking up a pizza at Little Caesar's, than from your home or property being invaded.

Because all these idiots can carry.
 
The point is that our society's morality is the problem not its ownership of guns.

Very good. There's a glimmer there.

Now, how do you propose addressing that? You have to teach people that violence is not the solution to one's grievances.

When did everyone get so angry?

Individual violence is the end product of anger.
 
The point is that our society's morality is the problem not its ownership of guns.

Very good. There's a glimmer there.

Now, how do you propose addressing that? You have to teach people that violence is not the solution to one's grievances.

When did everyone get so angry?

Individual violence is the end product of anger.

Oh violence can certainly be produced by many things that aren't anger. Love and money are ready and willing examples.

The issue is that you can't "address" morality through the passage of laws or the restriction of behaviors.
 
The issue is that you can't "address" morality through the passage of laws or the restriction of behaviors.

I agree completely. But who's trying to legislate it? You need to change the way people think.

No. Violence is caused by anger and only that. People get angry that others have money and love and they don't. There can be many motivations for it, but in the end, jealousy and resentment morph into anger.

Adam Lanza got angry because his mother paid more attention to her students and her obsession than she did to him. If he was only SAD, he would have just cried about it. Perhaps he did, no one responded, and resentment escalated into anger.

We have lost the boundary that once separated anger and violence. The social taboo, if you will. And now people are armed with powerful weapons to act upon it.

If you are wronged, go shoot someone.

WHEN did that become acceptable, even in the least?

The pizza incident in Florida. It's OK to shoot someone because you had a disagreement?

Jeez .....................................
 
The issue is that you can't "address" morality through the passage of laws or the restriction of behaviors.

I agree completely. But who's trying to legislate it? You need to change the way people think.

No. Violence is caused by anger and only that. People get angry that others have money and love and they don't. There can be many motivations for it, but in the end, jealousy and resentment morph into anger.

Adam Lanza got angry because his mother paid more attention to her students and her obsession than she did to him. If he was only SAD, he would have just cried about it. Perhaps he did, no one responded, and resentment escalated into anger.

We have lost the boundary that once separated anger and violence. The social taboo, if you will. And now people are armed with powerful weapons to act upon it.

If you are wronged, go shoot someone.

WHEN did that become acceptable, even in the least?

The pizza incident in Florida. It's OK to shoot someone because you had a disagreement?

Jeez .....................................

The phrase I highlighted sounds more like envy than anger to me. I still believe violence occurs for other reasons. Sometimes violences is necessitated in order to protect one's self from someone who has tipped the anger scales as you might say.

As far as when did violence (shooting someone as you put it) become acceptable, well, it always has been. As soon as man discovered fellow man, he devised ways to harm/steal/outmaneuver/fuck/blame/kiss/fondle etc him. This is not the thread to debate the origins of violence, but before we had a word for anger we had violence.

Even in forward thinking and sophisticated America, the love of violence exists and is glorified. Sure people get emotional and tear up when a class of (mostly white) completely innocent children are killed by some lunatic, but I wonder how many of these same emotionally superior individuals cry each time an innocent man, woman, or child is killed by an American drone strike?

Any country or person that doesn't follow the Killer B's is in for a rude awakening and possibly finding their neck in the proverbial noose. "B for Belief. B for Belonging. The B's that lead to most of the killing in the world. If you don't Belong among us, then you're our inferior, or our enemy, or both; and you can't Belong with us unless you Believe what we Believe. Maybe not even then, but it certainly helps. Our religion, our party, our tribe, our town, our school, our race, our nation. Believe. Belong. Behave. Or Be dammed." Hollywood, Gamefly, and the NFL are enough to tell me that we are a globe consumed with and in love with violence.
 
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