Guns are not the answer...and other stupid things people say....

[candycorn]

Garbage.

Whatever cultural influences we have in the US, they have in W Europe.

We have 30,000 gun deaths a year, they have maybe one a week.

wrong...they had 2 World Wars devestate their countries....they came from a history of feudalism.....our families started breaking down before theirs did, hence the increase in violent crime...which is now going down.

Garbage.

Whatever cultural influences we have in the US, they have in W Europe.

We have 30,000 gun deaths a year, they have maybe one a week

Plus not having an armory on every street corner where you can buy as many guns as you or your Al Queda sponsor can afford is a big help to curbing the death that guns bring.

again, you mix suicide with gun murder......so you are lying.

And no, Europe was set back by the destruction caused by the 2nd World War.....they are now at a point where their social welfare states are creating fatherless boys, whose teen mothers can't turn them into adult men.....their violence rates are going through the roof.

Whatever cultural influences we have in the US, they have in W Europe.

We have 30,000 gun deaths a year, they have maybe one a week

Plus not having an armory on every street corner where you can buy as many guns as you or your Al Queda sponsor can afford is a big help to curbing the death that guns bring.

But since we’re on the topic…lets take a cartoonish plunge into the make believe world where more guns means more safety...

Okay…lets pretend you’re right for a second even though you clearly are not. Everyone in Europe buys a gun much like we have here, millions and millions of guns. Every Wal*Mart, Aldi, and other store sells guns to whomever wants them…guns out of gum ball machines. Just like we have here. Mass shootings every week. Schools with metal detectors to keep guns out; kids who kill their moms then shoot up an elementary school Yay us!!!

Soon they will have what we have, a dangerous society where you have to lock your doors, sleep with a gun under your pillow and have idiots who proudly state that they carry revolvers to church.

Right? That is what your goal is…isn’t it?

If it isn’t…please let us know what you want to be done so they can avoid the calamity that we have here.

more than 2\3 of those are suicides

Suicide is not a crime
Suicide is a choice

Germany has a higher rate of suicide that the US

Australia with their tyrannical gun control has a higher rate of suicide than the US

Japan has a higher rate of suicide than the US and they have extreme gun control

Guns do not raise suicide rates

And if you don't lock your doors when you're asleep you're a fucking idiot no matter where you live

And the other 1/3?

 

[Blues Man]

wrong...they had 2 World Wars devestate their countries....they came from a history of feudalism.....our families started breaking down before theirs did, hence the increase in violent crime...which is now going down.

Garbage.

Whatever cultural influences we have in the US, they have in W Europe.

We have 30,000 gun deaths a year, they have maybe one a week

Plus not having an armory on every street corner where you can buy as many guns as you or your Al Queda sponsor can afford is a big help to curbing the death that guns bring.

again, you mix suicide with gun murder......so you are lying.

And no, Europe was set back by the destruction caused by the 2nd World War.....they are now at a point where their social welfare states are creating fatherless boys, whose teen mothers can't turn them into adult men.....their violence rates are going through the roof.

Whatever cultural influences we have in the US, they have in W Europe.

We have 30,000 gun deaths a year, they have maybe one a week

Plus not having an armory on every street corner where you can buy as many guns as you or your Al Queda sponsor can afford is a big help to curbing the death that guns bring.

But since we’re on the topic…lets take a cartoonish plunge into the make believe world where more guns means more safety...

Okay…lets pretend you’re right for a second even though you clearly are not. Everyone in Europe buys a gun much like we have here, millions and millions of guns. Every Wal*Mart, Aldi, and other store sells guns to whomever wants them…guns out of gum ball machines. Just like we have here. Mass shootings every week. Schools with metal detectors to keep guns out; kids who kill their moms then shoot up an elementary school Yay us!!!

Soon they will have what we have, a dangerous society where you have to lock your doors, sleep with a gun under your pillow and have idiots who proudly state that they carry revolvers to church.

Right? That is what your goal is…isn’t it?

If it isn’t…please let us know what you want to be done so they can avoid the calamity that we have here.

more than 2\3 of those are suicides

Suicide is not a crime
Suicide is a choice

Germany has a higher rate of suicide that the US

Australia with their tyrannical gun control has a higher rate of suicide than the US

Japan has a higher rate of suicide than the US and they have extreme gun control

Guns do not raise suicide rates

And if you don't lock your doors when you're asleep you're a fucking idiot no matter where you live

And the other 1/3?

murder, accidents, and justifiable shootings

DUH

 

[candycorn]

Whatever cultural influences we have in the US, they have in W Europe.

We have 30,000 gun deaths a year, they have maybe one a week

Plus not having an armory on every street corner where you can buy as many guns as you or your Al Queda sponsor can afford is a big help to curbing the death that guns bring.

But since we’re on the topic…lets take a cartoonish plunge into the make believe world where more guns means more safety...

Okay…lets pretend you’re right for a second even though you clearly are not. Everyone in Europe buys a gun much like we have here, millions and millions of guns. Every Wal*Mart, Aldi, and other store sells guns to whomever wants them…guns out of gum ball machines. Just like we have here. Mass shootings every week. Schools with metal detectors to keep guns out; kids who kill their moms then shoot up an elementary school Yay us!!!

Soon they will have what we have, a dangerous society where you have to lock your doors, sleep with a gun under your pillow and have idiots who proudly state that they carry revolvers to church.

Right? That is what your goal is…isn’t it?

If it isn’t…please let us know what you want to be done so they can avoid the calamity that we have here.

please let us know what you want to be done so they can avoid the calamity that we have here.

Get rid of the social welfare state that allows teenage girls to raise young males without husbands and fathers...that is what drives violent crime..not law abiding people owning and carrying guns.

Oh yeah…if we get rid of welfare…you think people will stop having sex?

This is the dumbest thing you’ve put out since you last trotted out that bull shit “defensive use” stat.

If we get rid of guns, do you think people will stop committing suicide?

Statistics report there will be fewer successful attempts.

But not less suicides

Unless you assume that people will only attempt suicide once

Anyone who really wants to kill himself will and there is nothing you can do to stop them

Just reporting the stats. 80% who try with a gun are successful.

 

[candycorn]

Garbage.

Whatever cultural influences we have in the US, they have in W Europe.

We have 30,000 gun deaths a year, they have maybe one a week

Plus not having an armory on every street corner where you can buy as many guns as you or your Al Queda sponsor can afford is a big help to curbing the death that guns bring.

again, you mix suicide with gun murder......so you are lying.

And no, Europe was set back by the destruction caused by the 2nd World War.....they are now at a point where their social welfare states are creating fatherless boys, whose teen mothers can't turn them into adult men.....their violence rates are going through the roof.

Whatever cultural influences we have in the US, they have in W Europe.

We have 30,000 gun deaths a year, they have maybe one a week

Plus not having an armory on every street corner where you can buy as many guns as you or your Al Queda sponsor can afford is a big help to curbing the death that guns bring.

But since we’re on the topic…lets take a cartoonish plunge into the make believe world where more guns means more safety...

Okay…lets pretend you’re right for a second even though you clearly are not. Everyone in Europe buys a gun much like we have here, millions and millions of guns. Every Wal*Mart, Aldi, and other store sells guns to whomever wants them…guns out of gum ball machines. Just like we have here. Mass shootings every week. Schools with metal detectors to keep guns out; kids who kill their moms then shoot up an elementary school Yay us!!!

Soon they will have what we have, a dangerous society where you have to lock your doors, sleep with a gun under your pillow and have idiots who proudly state that they carry revolvers to church.

Right? That is what your goal is…isn’t it?

If it isn’t…please let us know what you want to be done so they can avoid the calamity that we have here.

more than 2\3 of those are suicides

Suicide is not a crime
Suicide is a choice

Germany has a higher rate of suicide that the US

Australia with their tyrannical gun control has a higher rate of suicide than the US

Japan has a higher rate of suicide than the US and they have extreme gun control

Guns do not raise suicide rates

And if you don't lock your doors when you're asleep you're a fucking idiot no matter where you live

And the other 1/3?

murder, accidents, and justifiable shootings

DUH

Right. And you guys think Europe should copy our example?

 

[Blues Man]

please let us know what you want to be done so they can avoid the calamity that we have here.

Get rid of the social welfare state that allows teenage girls to raise young males without husbands and fathers...that is what drives violent crime..not law abiding people owning and carrying guns.

Oh yeah…if we get rid of welfare…you think people will stop having sex?

This is the dumbest thing you’ve put out since you last trotted out that bull shit “defensive use” stat.

If we get rid of guns, do you think people will stop committing suicide?

Statistics report there will be fewer successful attempts.

But not less suicides

Unless you assume that people will only attempt suicide once

Anyone who really wants to kill himself will and there is nothing you can do to stop them

Just reporting the stats. 80% who try with a gun are successful.

SO what?

If they didn't have a gun they can still be successful.

 

[Blues Man]

again, you mix suicide with gun murder......so you are lying.

And no, Europe was set back by the destruction caused by the 2nd World War.....they are now at a point where their social welfare states are creating fatherless boys, whose teen mothers can't turn them into adult men.....their violence rates are going through the roof.

Whatever cultural influences we have in the US, they have in W Europe.

We have 30,000 gun deaths a year, they have maybe one a week

Plus not having an armory on every street corner where you can buy as many guns as you or your Al Queda sponsor can afford is a big help to curbing the death that guns bring.

But since we’re on the topic…lets take a cartoonish plunge into the make believe world where more guns means more safety...

Okay…lets pretend you’re right for a second even though you clearly are not. Everyone in Europe buys a gun much like we have here, millions and millions of guns. Every Wal*Mart, Aldi, and other store sells guns to whomever wants them…guns out of gum ball machines. Just like we have here. Mass shootings every week. Schools with metal detectors to keep guns out; kids who kill their moms then shoot up an elementary school Yay us!!!

Soon they will have what we have, a dangerous society where you have to lock your doors, sleep with a gun under your pillow and have idiots who proudly state that they carry revolvers to church.

Right? That is what your goal is…isn’t it?

If it isn’t…please let us know what you want to be done so they can avoid the calamity that we have here.

more than 2\3 of those are suicides

Suicide is not a crime
Suicide is a choice

Germany has a higher rate of suicide that the US

Australia with their tyrannical gun control has a higher rate of suicide than the US

Japan has a higher rate of suicide than the US and they have extreme gun control

Guns do not raise suicide rates

And if you don't lock your doors when you're asleep you're a fucking idiot no matter where you live

And the other 1/3?

murder, accidents, and justifiable shootings

DUH

Right. And you guys think Europe should copy our example?

Where did I ever say that

I don't give a shit about Europe

 

[elongobardi]

....if guns stopped/lowers crime, then the US should have one of the lowest crime rates in the world--but it doesn't

No shit. All the states with strict gun laws have higher crime rates because you can’t carry a gun but can have one at home. Most conservatives have guns at home but the tough gun control states are all Democrats who mostly don’t own guns while some do and lie about it.


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ALASKA--very pro-gun = higher murder rate than NY, IL and CA
!!

Look again. Alaska is a lot of suicides. Some people can’t handle 6 months of dark. Like Hawaii. Alaska in its own world up there. You are grasping at straws. Give up its embarrassing.


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it doesn't say suicide --it says MURDER rate

Then the stats are bullshit. You can look at 10 charts on murder rate and they all are different.


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[elongobardi]

again, you mix suicide with gun murder......so you are lying.

And no, Europe was set back by the destruction caused by the 2nd World War.....they are now at a point where their social welfare states are creating fatherless boys, whose teen mothers can't turn them into adult men.....their violence rates are going through the roof.

Whatever cultural influences we have in the US, they have in W Europe.

We have 30,000 gun deaths a year, they have maybe one a week

Plus not having an armory on every street corner where you can buy as many guns as you or your Al Queda sponsor can afford is a big help to curbing the death that guns bring.

But since we’re on the topic…lets take a cartoonish plunge into the make believe world where more guns means more safety...

Okay…lets pretend you’re right for a second even though you clearly are not. Everyone in Europe buys a gun much like we have here, millions and millions of guns. Every Wal*Mart, Aldi, and other store sells guns to whomever wants them…guns out of gum ball machines. Just like we have here. Mass shootings every week. Schools with metal detectors to keep guns out; kids who kill their moms then shoot up an elementary school Yay us!!!

Soon they will have what we have, a dangerous society where you have to lock your doors, sleep with a gun under your pillow and have idiots who proudly state that they carry revolvers to church.

Right? That is what your goal is…isn’t it?

If it isn’t…please let us know what you want to be done so they can avoid the calamity that we have here.

please let us know what you want to be done so they can avoid the calamity that we have here.

Get rid of the social welfare state that allows teenage girls to raise young males without husbands and fathers...that is what drives violent crime..not law abiding people owning and carrying guns.

Oh yeah…if we get rid of welfare…you think people will stop having sex?

This is the dumbest thing you’ve put out since you last trotted out that bull shit “defensive use” stat.

If we get rid of guns, do you think people will stop committing suicide?

Statistics report there will be fewer successful attempts.

Bullshit. If they want to commit suicide they will get it done. Stop pulling bullshit out of your ass.


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[elongobardi]

please let us know what you want to be done so they can avoid the calamity that we have here.

Get rid of the social welfare state that allows teenage girls to raise young males without husbands and fathers...that is what drives violent crime..not law abiding people owning and carrying guns.

Oh yeah…if we get rid of welfare…you think people will stop having sex?

This is the dumbest thing you’ve put out since you last trotted out that bull shit “defensive use” stat.

If we get rid of guns, do you think people will stop committing suicide?

Statistics report there will be fewer successful attempts.

But not less suicides

Unless you assume that people will only attempt suicide once

Anyone who really wants to kill himself will and there is nothing you can do to stop them

Just reporting the stats. 80% who try with a gun are successful.

Really Professor Dickhead. If you take guns away they’ll kill themselves a different way.


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[harmonica]

....if guns stopped/lowers crime, then the US should have one of the lowest crime rates in the world--but it doesn't

No shit. All the states with strict gun laws have higher crime rates because you can’t carry a gun but can have one at home. Most conservatives have guns at home but the tough gun control states are all Democrats who mostly don’t own guns while some do and lie about it.


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ALASKA--very pro-gun = higher murder rate than NY, IL and CA
!!

NH very pro gun has the lowest murder rate in the country

There is more to the causes of murder than simply guns

....NH has been mentioned many times--this is ridiculous because it's population is HALF of the CITY of Chicago--density -11,000 psm
NH density --147---monumental difference there
11,000 to 147 ..!!!!!
....the gun controlled states of NY and CA---huge populations/densities--have a lower murder rate than very pro-gun Mo and Alaska
..people always bring up Chicago--Chi's murder rate is about 50% LOWER than very pro-gun STL---funny how no brings up St Louis referring to murder--since it's the murder capital of the US and most dangerous city

 

[harmonica]

Oh yeah…if we get rid of welfare…you think people will stop having sex?

This is the dumbest thing you’ve put out since you last trotted out that bull shit “defensive use” stat.

If we get rid of guns, do you think people will stop committing suicide?

Statistics report there will be fewer successful attempts.

But not less suicides

Unless you assume that people will only attempt suicide once

Anyone who really wants to kill himself will and there is nothing you can do to stop them

Just reporting the stats. 80% who try with a gun are successful.

Really Professor Dickhead. If you take guns away they’ll kill themselves a different way.


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proof??

 

[2aguy]

wrong...they had 2 World Wars devestate their countries....they came from a history of feudalism.....our families started breaking down before theirs did, hence the increase in violent crime...which is now going down.

Garbage.

Whatever cultural influences we have in the US, they have in W Europe.

We have 30,000 gun deaths a year, they have maybe one a week

Plus not having an armory on every street corner where you can buy as many guns as you or your Al Queda sponsor can afford is a big help to curbing the death that guns bring.

again, you mix suicide with gun murder......so you are lying.

And no, Europe was set back by the destruction caused by the 2nd World War.....they are now at a point where their social welfare states are creating fatherless boys, whose teen mothers can't turn them into adult men.....their violence rates are going through the roof.

Whatever cultural influences we have in the US, they have in W Europe.

We have 30,000 gun deaths a year, they have maybe one a week

Plus not having an armory on every street corner where you can buy as many guns as you or your Al Queda sponsor can afford is a big help to curbing the death that guns bring.

But since we’re on the topic…lets take a cartoonish plunge into the make believe world where more guns means more safety...

Okay…lets pretend you’re right for a second even though you clearly are not. Everyone in Europe buys a gun much like we have here, millions and millions of guns. Every Wal*Mart, Aldi, and other store sells guns to whomever wants them…guns out of gum ball machines. Just like we have here. Mass shootings every week. Schools with metal detectors to keep guns out; kids who kill their moms then shoot up an elementary school Yay us!!!

Soon they will have what we have, a dangerous society where you have to lock your doors, sleep with a gun under your pillow and have idiots who proudly state that they carry revolvers to church.

Right? That is what your goal is…isn’t it?

If it isn’t…please let us know what you want to be done so they can avoid the calamity that we have here.

please let us know what you want to be done so they can avoid the calamity that we have here.

Get rid of the social welfare state that allows teenage girls to raise young males without husbands and fathers...that is what drives violent crime..not law abiding people owning and carrying guns.

Oh yeah…if we get rid of welfare…you think people will stop having sex?

This is the dumbest thing you’ve put out since you last trotted out that bull shit “defensive use” stat.

We need to find a way to get men to be fathers and husbands, and to get teenage girls to stop having children without them.....our crime, the crime in Britain, is driven by fatherless boys....

 

[candycorn]

Garbage.

Whatever cultural influences we have in the US, they have in W Europe.

We have 30,000 gun deaths a year, they have maybe one a week

Plus not having an armory on every street corner where you can buy as many guns as you or your Al Queda sponsor can afford is a big help to curbing the death that guns bring.

again, you mix suicide with gun murder......so you are lying.

And no, Europe was set back by the destruction caused by the 2nd World War.....they are now at a point where their social welfare states are creating fatherless boys, whose teen mothers can't turn them into adult men.....their violence rates are going through the roof.

Whatever cultural influences we have in the US, they have in W Europe.

We have 30,000 gun deaths a year, they have maybe one a week

Plus not having an armory on every street corner where you can buy as many guns as you or your Al Queda sponsor can afford is a big help to curbing the death that guns bring.

But since we’re on the topic…lets take a cartoonish plunge into the make believe world where more guns means more safety...

Okay…lets pretend you’re right for a second even though you clearly are not. Everyone in Europe buys a gun much like we have here, millions and millions of guns. Every Wal*Mart, Aldi, and other store sells guns to whomever wants them…guns out of gum ball machines. Just like we have here. Mass shootings every week. Schools with metal detectors to keep guns out; kids who kill their moms then shoot up an elementary school Yay us!!!

Soon they will have what we have, a dangerous society where you have to lock your doors, sleep with a gun under your pillow and have idiots who proudly state that they carry revolvers to church.

Right? That is what your goal is…isn’t it?

If it isn’t…please let us know what you want to be done so they can avoid the calamity that we have here.

please let us know what you want to be done so they can avoid the calamity that we have here.

Get rid of the social welfare state that allows teenage girls to raise young males without husbands and fathers...that is what drives violent crime..not law abiding people owning and carrying guns.

Oh yeah…if we get rid of welfare…you think people will stop having sex?

This is the dumbest thing you’ve put out since you last trotted out that bull shit “defensive use” stat.

We need to find a way to get men to be fathers and husbands, and to get teenage girls to stop having children without them.....our crime, the crime in Britain, is driven by fatherless boys....

Except over here, the “fatherless boys” can buy as many guns as they can afford.
Over there? Not so much.

So what is better, “fatherless boys” who can purchase tons of guns, ammunition, etc… or “fatherless boys” who can’t purchase those implements of death?

Oh…you sound like you’d be against the cuts your blob has made to low-cost contraception. You’re against that right?

 

[2aguy]

....if guns stopped/lowers crime, then the US should have one of the lowest crime rates in the world--but it doesn't

No shit. All the states with strict gun laws have higher crime rates because you can’t carry a gun but can have one at home. Most conservatives have guns at home but the tough gun control states are all Democrats who mostly don’t own guns while some do and lie about it.


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ALASKA--very pro-gun = higher murder rate than NY, IL and CA
!!

NH very pro gun has the lowest murder rate in the country

There is more to the causes of murder than simply guns

....NH has been mentioned many times--this is ridiculous because it's population is HALF of the CITY of Chicago--density -11,000 psm
NH density --147---monumental difference there
11,000 to 147 ..!!!!!
....the gun controlled states of NY and CA---huge populations/densities--have a lower murder rate than very pro-gun Mo and Alaska
..people always bring up Chicago--Chi's murder rate is about 50% LOWER than very pro-gun STL---funny how no brings up St Louis referring to murder--since it's the murder capital of the US and most dangerous city

Yes....cherry picking...then explain Baltimore, you doofus......the most extreme gun control laws, just like New York and Chicago.......and higher gun murder...

And Baltimore, extreme gun control....vs. Houston..... it borders the Narco state of Mexico, gun stores on every corner....you doofus....and baltimore has a smaller population.......and more gun murders.....

Dittos chicago, you moron......more than twice the gun murders than Houston.....again, extreme gun control, no gun stores or ranges in the city......and more gun murder than Houston...

You have no point.....j

As more Americans own and carry guns, the gun murder rate went down 49%, that is a fact.....


Population of cities 2016:

Chicago........2.7 million

N.Y................8.5 million
Houston........2.3 million
Baltimore......620,961


Murder rate 2016:

Chicago........765
L.A.......... .....293
N.Y................335
Houston .......301
Baltimore......318

 

[2aguy]

again, you mix suicide with gun murder......so you are lying.

And no, Europe was set back by the destruction caused by the 2nd World War.....they are now at a point where their social welfare states are creating fatherless boys, whose teen mothers can't turn them into adult men.....their violence rates are going through the roof.

Whatever cultural influences we have in the US, they have in W Europe.

We have 30,000 gun deaths a year, they have maybe one a week

Plus not having an armory on every street corner where you can buy as many guns as you or your Al Queda sponsor can afford is a big help to curbing the death that guns bring.

But since we’re on the topic…lets take a cartoonish plunge into the make believe world where more guns means more safety...

Okay…lets pretend you’re right for a second even though you clearly are not. Everyone in Europe buys a gun much like we have here, millions and millions of guns. Every Wal*Mart, Aldi, and other store sells guns to whomever wants them…guns out of gum ball machines. Just like we have here. Mass shootings every week. Schools with metal detectors to keep guns out; kids who kill their moms then shoot up an elementary school Yay us!!!

Soon they will have what we have, a dangerous society where you have to lock your doors, sleep with a gun under your pillow and have idiots who proudly state that they carry revolvers to church.

Right? That is what your goal is…isn’t it?

If it isn’t…please let us know what you want to be done so they can avoid the calamity that we have here.

please let us know what you want to be done so they can avoid the calamity that we have here.

Get rid of the social welfare state that allows teenage girls to raise young males without husbands and fathers...that is what drives violent crime..not law abiding people owning and carrying guns.

Oh yeah…if we get rid of welfare…you think people will stop having sex?

This is the dumbest thing you’ve put out since you last trotted out that bull shit “defensive use” stat.

We need to find a way to get men to be fathers and husbands, and to get teenage girls to stop having children without them.....our crime, the crime in Britain, is driven by fatherless boys....

Except over here, the “fatherless boys” can buy as many guns as they can afford.
Over there? Not so much.

So what is better, “fatherless boys” who can purchase tons of guns, ammunition, etc… or “fatherless boys” who can’t purchase those implements of death?

Oh…you sound like you’d be against the cuts your blob has made to low-cost contraception. You’re against that right?

You don't want to acknowledge what the British police have stated to the press....they can't control the increasing flow of illegal guns into Britain....now, with more fatherless boys committing murder, those boys are going to start using those illegal guns....

Britain is at the same point the United States was at going into the 1960s, with violence on the rise.....

Contraception isn't the answer moron, values are the answer....

 

[harmonica]

....if guns stopped/lowers crime, then the US should have one of the lowest crime rates in the world--but it doesn't

No shit. All the states with strict gun laws have higher crime rates because you can’t carry a gun but can have one at home. Most conservatives have guns at home but the tough gun control states are all Democrats who mostly don’t own guns while some do and lie about it.


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ALASKA--very pro-gun = higher murder rate than NY, IL and CA
!!

NH very pro gun has the lowest murder rate in the country

There is more to the causes of murder than simply guns

....NH has been mentioned many times--this is ridiculous because it's population is HALF of the CITY of Chicago--density -11,000 psm
NH density --147---monumental difference there
11,000 to 147 ..!!!!!
....the gun controlled states of NY and CA---huge populations/densities--have a lower murder rate than very pro-gun Mo and Alaska
..people always bring up Chicago--Chi's murder rate is about 50% LOWER than very pro-gun STL---funny how no brings up St Louis referring to murder--since it's the murder capital of the US and most dangerous city

Yes....cherry picking...then explain Baltimore, you doofus......the most extreme gun control laws, just like New York and Chicago.......and higher gun murder...

And Baltimore, extreme gun control....vs. Houston..... it borders the Narco state of Mexico, gun stores on every corner....you doofus....and baltimore has a smaller population.......and more gun murders.....

Dittos chicago, you moron......more than twice the gun murders than Houston.....again, extreme gun control, no gun stores or ranges in the city......and more gun murder than Houston...

You have no point.....j

As more Americans own and carry guns, the gun murder rate went down 49%, that is a fact.....


Population of cities 2016:

Chicago........2.7 million

N.Y................8.5 million
Houston........2.3 million
Baltimore......620,961


Murder rate 2016:

Chicago........765
L.A.......... .....293
N.Y................335
Houston .......301
Baltimore......318

......I'm pointing out the clear, obvious bullshit you people put out--plain and simple
elong said the gun free states/cities are less violent/less murders/etc = bullshit
etc

 

[2aguy]

No shit. All the states with strict gun laws have higher crime rates because you can’t carry a gun but can have one at home. Most conservatives have guns at home but the tough gun control states are all Democrats who mostly don’t own guns while some do and lie about it.


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ALASKA--very pro-gun = higher murder rate than NY, IL and CA
!!

NH very pro gun has the lowest murder rate in the country

There is more to the causes of murder than simply guns

....NH has been mentioned many times--this is ridiculous because it's population is HALF of the CITY of Chicago--density -11,000 psm
NH density --147---monumental difference there
11,000 to 147 ..!!!!!
....the gun controlled states of NY and CA---huge populations/densities--have a lower murder rate than very pro-gun Mo and Alaska
..people always bring up Chicago--Chi's murder rate is about 50% LOWER than very pro-gun STL---funny how no brings up St Louis referring to murder--since it's the murder capital of the US and most dangerous city

Yes....cherry picking...then explain Baltimore, you doofus......the most extreme gun control laws, just like New York and Chicago.......and higher gun murder...

And Baltimore, extreme gun control....vs. Houston..... it borders the Narco state of Mexico, gun stores on every corner....you doofus....and baltimore has a smaller population.......and more gun murders.....

Dittos chicago, you moron......more than twice the gun murders than Houston.....again, extreme gun control, no gun stores or ranges in the city......and more gun murder than Houston...

You have no point.....j

As more Americans own and carry guns, the gun murder rate went down 49%, that is a fact.....


Population of cities 2016:

Chicago........2.7 million

N.Y................8.5 million
Houston........2.3 million
Baltimore......620,961


Murder rate 2016:

Chicago........765
L.A.......... .....293
N.Y................335
Houston .......301
Baltimore......318

......I'm pointing out the clear, obvious bullshit you people put out--plain and simple
elong said the gun free states/cities are less violent/less murders/etc = bullshit
etc

They do...... you have to add suicide to get your gun death numbers up....the usual lie morons like you use to make your case.

 

[2aguy]

No shit. All the states with strict gun laws have higher crime rates because you can’t carry a gun but can have one at home. Most conservatives have guns at home but the tough gun control states are all Democrats who mostly don’t own guns while some do and lie about it.


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ALASKA--very pro-gun = higher murder rate than NY, IL and CA
!!

NH very pro gun has the lowest murder rate in the country

There is more to the causes of murder than simply guns

....NH has been mentioned many times--this is ridiculous because it's population is HALF of the CITY of Chicago--density -11,000 psm
NH density --147---monumental difference there
11,000 to 147 ..!!!!!
....the gun controlled states of NY and CA---huge populations/densities--have a lower murder rate than very pro-gun Mo and Alaska
..people always bring up Chicago--Chi's murder rate is about 50% LOWER than very pro-gun STL---funny how no brings up St Louis referring to murder--since it's the murder capital of the US and most dangerous city

Yes....cherry picking...then explain Baltimore, you doofus......the most extreme gun control laws, just like New York and Chicago.......and higher gun murder...

And Baltimore, extreme gun control....vs. Houston..... it borders the Narco state of Mexico, gun stores on every corner....you doofus....and baltimore has a smaller population.......and more gun murders.....

Dittos chicago, you moron......more than twice the gun murders than Houston.....again, extreme gun control, no gun stores or ranges in the city......and more gun murder than Houston...

You have no point.....j

As more Americans own and carry guns, the gun murder rate went down 49%, that is a fact.....


Population of cities 2016:

Chicago........2.7 million

N.Y................8.5 million
Houston........2.3 million
Baltimore......620,961


Murder rate 2016:

Chicago........765
L.A.......... .....293
N.Y................335
Houston .......301
Baltimore......318

......I'm pointing out the clear, obvious bullshit you people put out--plain and simple
elong said the gun free states/cities are less violent/less murders/etc = bullshit
etc

Detroit, before and after they stopped preventing normal people from owning and carrying guns....

Facts About Mass Shootings Support Gun Ownership, Not Gun Control

James Craig, who returned to his native Detroit as its chief of police in June 2013, believes in the strength of a legally armed populace. After working as a police officer for nearly three decades in Los Angeles, “where ‘it took an act of Congress’ to get permission to carry a gun,” Craig transferred to Portland, Maine. There, he discovered a vastly safer city, and one where gun ownership was common. It was in Portland that Craig realized “the effect…good Americans who are armed can have on reducing violence.”

Prior to Craig’s arrival, Detroit was among the most violent cities in the country. According to FBI statistics, 80 in 1000 Detroit residents “became victims of violent or property crime each year.” In 2012, 386 criminal homicides had been reported in the city. To bring down crime rates, the new chief of police urged Detroit residents to legally and safely arm themselves.

In 2014, Craig’s department issued 1,100 handgun permits. That year, the number of home invasions decreased by 38 percent, with the numbers of shootings and robberies likewise decreasing. Of the 1,800 felons queried in a 2015 survey, 57 percent identified their biggest fear as “armed citizens.”

Since Craig took over the department, Detroit has experienced “double-digit drops” in “nonfatal shootings, robberies, and carjackings.” Although the city’s levels of violence still leave much to be desired, in 2017, Detroit recorded its “lowest number of homicides since 1966.”
Craig believes a conversation surrounding guns should not be about gun control, but “crime control.” As he explains, “individuals who are criminally inclined…when in possession of a weapon, create the problems.”
Before Democrats look to new measures of gun control, they should concern themselves with the enforcement of existing gun laws, keeping weapons out of the hands of criminals, and holding accountable institutions and policies which allow threats to go undetected.

 

[candycorn]

Whatever cultural influences we have in the US, they have in W Europe.

We have 30,000 gun deaths a year, they have maybe one a week

Plus not having an armory on every street corner where you can buy as many guns as you or your Al Queda sponsor can afford is a big help to curbing the death that guns bring.

But since we’re on the topic…lets take a cartoonish plunge into the make believe world where more guns means more safety...

Okay…lets pretend you’re right for a second even though you clearly are not. Everyone in Europe buys a gun much like we have here, millions and millions of guns. Every Wal*Mart, Aldi, and other store sells guns to whomever wants them…guns out of gum ball machines. Just like we have here. Mass shootings every week. Schools with metal detectors to keep guns out; kids who kill their moms then shoot up an elementary school Yay us!!!

Soon they will have what we have, a dangerous society where you have to lock your doors, sleep with a gun under your pillow and have idiots who proudly state that they carry revolvers to church.

Right? That is what your goal is…isn’t it?

If it isn’t…please let us know what you want to be done so they can avoid the calamity that we have here.

please let us know what you want to be done so they can avoid the calamity that we have here.

Get rid of the social welfare state that allows teenage girls to raise young males without husbands and fathers...that is what drives violent crime..not law abiding people owning and carrying guns.

Oh yeah…if we get rid of welfare…you think people will stop having sex?

This is the dumbest thing you’ve put out since you last trotted out that bull shit “defensive use” stat.

We need to find a way to get men to be fathers and husbands, and to get teenage girls to stop having children without them.....our crime, the crime in Britain, is driven by fatherless boys....

Except over here, the “fatherless boys” can buy as many guns as they can afford.
Over there? Not so much.

So what is better, “fatherless boys” who can purchase tons of guns, ammunition, etc… or “fatherless boys” who can’t purchase those implements of death?

Oh…you sound like you’d be against the cuts your blob has made to low-cost contraception. You’re against that right?

You don't want to acknowledge what the British police have stated to the press....they can't control the increasing flow of illegal guns into Britain....now, with more fatherless boys committing murder, those boys are going to start using those illegal guns....

Britain is at the same point the United States was at going into the 1960s, with violence on the rise.....

Contraception isn't the answer moron, values are the answer....

What values does your blob have?

 

[2aguy]

No shit. All the states with strict gun laws have higher crime rates because you can’t carry a gun but can have one at home. Most conservatives have guns at home but the tough gun control states are all Democrats who mostly don’t own guns while some do and lie about it.


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ALASKA--very pro-gun = higher murder rate than NY, IL and CA
!!

NH very pro gun has the lowest murder rate in the country

There is more to the causes of murder than simply guns

....NH has been mentioned many times--this is ridiculous because it's population is HALF of the CITY of Chicago--density -11,000 psm
NH density --147---monumental difference there
11,000 to 147 ..!!!!!
....the gun controlled states of NY and CA---huge populations/densities--have a lower murder rate than very pro-gun Mo and Alaska
..people always bring up Chicago--Chi's murder rate is about 50% LOWER than very pro-gun STL---funny how no brings up St Louis referring to murder--since it's the murder capital of the US and most dangerous city

Yes....cherry picking...then explain Baltimore, you doofus......the most extreme gun control laws, just like New York and Chicago.......and higher gun murder...

And Baltimore, extreme gun control....vs. Houston..... it borders the Narco state of Mexico, gun stores on every corner....you doofus....and baltimore has a smaller population.......and more gun murders.....

Dittos chicago, you moron......more than twice the gun murders than Houston.....again, extreme gun control, no gun stores or ranges in the city......and more gun murder than Houston...

You have no point.....j

As more Americans own and carry guns, the gun murder rate went down 49%, that is a fact.....


Population of cities 2016:

Chicago........2.7 million

N.Y................8.5 million
Houston........2.3 million
Baltimore......620,961


Murder rate 2016:

Chicago........765
L.A.......... .....293
N.Y................335
Houston .......301
Baltimore......318

......I'm pointing out the clear, obvious bullshit you people put out--plain and simple
elong said the gun free states/cities are less violent/less murders/etc = bullshit
etc

Florida....

Miami was once a murder capital. The gunfire deaths this year tell a new story

In the first six months of this year, Baltimore, with a slightly larger population than Miami, has seen more than 170 homicides. Kansas City had 98. Milwaukee had 60 and Atlanta, 57.

Yet, “that stigma continues. We still have a bad rap,” said Miami Police Assistant Chief Jorge Colina. “We’re not Paradise Lost anymore. We’re just paradise. It was madness before.”

Despite the significant drop in homicides during the first half of this year, crime science experts warn to be careful when it comes to small sample sizes. Homicides have steadily decreased in Miami the past decade. Last year, the city recorded 60 homicides. In 2015 there were 75 and in 2014 Miami had 81 homicides.



FDLE - Florida crime down in the first half of 2017

The crimes of murder, robbery, aggravated assault, burglary and larceny were down in this report while the crimes of rape and motor vehicle theft increased. Domestic violence fell one percent, with domestic violence murder and aggravated assault down while rape and stalking were up.

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Governor Scott: Florida at a 43-Year Crime Low

The total number of crimes fell 3.8 percent from last year which translates into 27,380 fewer crimes in 2013. The number of violent crimes was also down 2.4 percent.Murder is down 3.9 percent, forcible sex offenses and robbery each declined 2.8 percent and aggravated assault is down 2.1 percent.

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Crime down in most of Central Florida during first half of 2017, FDLE says

Crime dropped in Orange and Seminole counties by nearly 4 percent, and in Osceola County by more than 8 percent. The exception was Lake County, where crime increased by about 6 percent.