gun murder rate drops again in 2014...as over 12.8 million carry guns for self defense..

[Brain357]

"gun murder rate drops again in 2014...as over 12.8 million carry guns for self defense.."

And here is yet another example of one of your ridiculous threads that fails as a confusion of correlation and causation fallacy – there is no evidence whatsoever that the decrease in murders where guns were used has anything to do with citizens carrying concealed firearms.

Again: you're truly ignorant and ridiculous, you do more to undermine the rights enshrined in the Second Amendment than any so-called 'gun-grabber.'

The Second Amendment recognizes the fundamental right of citizens to carry firearms pursuant to lawful self-defense – no other 'justification' or 'qualifications' are required; indeed, citizens are not required to 'justify' the exercising of a Constitutional right to in fact exercise that right.

As a consequence of ignorance and stupidity you incorrectly believe you've got to promote these failed, inane 'arguments' in support of the rights enshrined in the Second Amendment when in fact your posts have exactly the opposite effect, casting gun owners in a negative light as clueless dullards incapable rational, reasonable thought.

except for 18 studies…..that looked at the actual issue….

And almost all 18 are done by the same disgraced economist. There are many studies done by many different people that say carry doesn't affect crime rates.

Nope…you lie, Lott, the leader in the field has done 6, the other 12 by other researchers…you know this and you just lied….and there are 10 who say it doesn't effect the crime rate and 1 that says it does…..I have linked to these studies numerous times, and you always choose to lie…..

Are you including the newest one? I doubt it. So link just the 12 that are not lott.

And here you go....click on the image to enlarge to see the studies....

http://crimepreventionresearchcente...-Maryland-Law-Review-Lott-Concealed-Carry.pdf

Lott...list of papers...

Of course, the single paper that Shermer cites was mentioned and discussed at length in the review of the literature that Lott provided in More Guns, Less Crime (click on screen shots to make them larger). Unfortunately, Scientific American wasn’t willing to allow a link to this list of papers.



Do Right-to-carry laws reduce violent crime? - Crime Prevention Research Center


A 2012 survey of the literature is available here. Some of the research showing that concealed carry laws reduce violent crime is listed here.

Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by John R. Lott, Jr. and David B. Mustard, Journal of Legal Studies, 1997

The Effect of Concealed Weapons Laws: An Extreme Bound Analysis by William Alan Bartley and Mark A Cohen, published in Economic Inquiry, April 1998 (Copy available here)

Criminal Deterrence, Geographic Spillovers, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by Stephen Bronars and John R. Lott, Jr., American Economic Review, May 1998

The Impact of Gun Laws on Police Deaths by David Mustard, published in the Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Privately Produced General Deterrence By BRUCE L. BENSON AND BRENT D. MAST, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Does the Right to Carry Concealed Handguns Deter Countable Crimes? Only a Count Analysis Can Say By FLORENZ PLASSMANN AND T. NICOLAUS TIDEMAN, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Testing for the Effects of Concealed Weapons Laws: Specification Errors and Robustness By CARLISLE E. MOODY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Safe-Storage Gun Laws: Accidental Deaths, Suicides, and Crime By JOHN R. LOTT, JR., AND JOHN E. WHITLEY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Right-to-Carry Concealed Weapon Laws and Homicide in Large U.S. Counties: The Effect on Weapon Types, Victim Characteristics, and Victim-Offender Relationships By DAVID E. OLSON AND MICHAEL D. MALTZ, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

The Impact of Banning Juvenile Gun Possession By Thomas B. Marvell, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Measurement Error in County-Level UCR Data by John R. Lott, Jr. and John Whitley, published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology, June 2003, Volume 19, Issue 2, pp 185-198

Confirming More Guns, Less Crime by Florenz Plassmann and John Whitley, published in the Stanford Law Review, 2003

Using Placebo Laws to Test “More Guns, Less Crime” by Eric Helland and Alexander Tabarrok, published in Advances in Economic Analysis and Policy, 4 (1): Article 1, 2004

Multiple Victim Public Shootings, Bombings, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handgun Laws: Contrasting Private and Public Law Enforcement By John R. Lott, Jr. and William Landes, published in The Bias Against Guns

More Readers of Gun Magazines, But Not More Crimes by Florenz Plassmann and John R. Lott, Jr.

“More Guns, Less Crime” by John R Lott, Jr. (University of Chicago Press, 2010, 3rd edition).

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody, Thomas B. Marvell, Paul R Zimmerman, and Fasil Alemante published in Review of Economics & Finance, 2014

“An examination of the effects of concealed weapons laws and assault weapons bans on state-level murder rates” by Mark Giusa published in Applied Economics Letters, Volume 21, Issue 4, 2014

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, volume 5, number 3, September 2008

“The Debate on Shall Issue Laws, Continued” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 6, Number 2 May 2009

“Did John Lott Provide Bad Data to the NRC? A Note on Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang” by Carlisle e. Moody, John R Lott, Jr, and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 10, Number 1, January 2013

More Guns, Less Crime: A Response to Ayres and Donohue’s 1999 book review in the American Law and Economics Review by John R. Lott, Jr.

Right-to-Carry Laws and Violent Crime Revisited: Clustering, Measurement Error, and State-by-State Break downs by John R. Lott, Jr.

Most your links again say by John Lott. Where are the 12 he was not involved with?

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

For every gun used to murder someone, almost 37,000 are not.

The US has 10.64 fire-arm related deaths per 100,000 population.

In relation, the United Kingdom has 0.26 fire-arm related deaths per 100,000 population.

Which country has the better idea?

The US.... Which rests upon American Principle.

99.99999999999~% of US firearms are owned by individuals living outside of Socialist Population Centers. And absent US Population Centers, Fire-arm Related Deaths in the US are the lowest on Earth.

There are less people killed by guns in areas of less population. BRILLIANT!

No dipshit....here you go....gun murder happens in small areas, usually controlled by democrats...

Blog: Who gets shot in Chicago?

Sooooo...Chicago had an estimated population of 2,718,782....in 2013.....and from this study....

About 70 percent of the killings occurred in what Papachristos found was a social network of only about 1,600 people — out of a population of about 80,000 in those neighborhoods.
So 1600 people out of 2,718,782 commit 70% of all gun crime........in one small area of this city.....let alone who knows about the other gang infested tiny areas......

And the irrational, anti gunners think that guns are the problem.......who are the real nuts....?

The article from the Sun Tims....

New study shows likelihood of being shot in Chicago

The ar

And in Richmond, California....17 criminals were responsible for over 70% of all the shootings......so no, it doesn't matter the population size, there are just a small number of sociopaths breaking the law and shooting at people...

Those who reject the laws of nature governing human behavior, will be found in violation of those laws.

Therefore where one finds more leftists, one will find more violation of the laws they reject.

Nothing complex about any of this...

Remove the Leftist Population Centers from the equation... and the United States is the most peaceful place on earth.

 

[Brain357]

"gun murder rate drops again in 2014...as over 12.8 million carry guns for self defense.."

And here is yet another example of one of your ridiculous threads that fails as a confusion of correlation and causation fallacy – there is no evidence whatsoever that the decrease in murders where guns were used has anything to do with citizens carrying concealed firearms.

Again: you're truly ignorant and ridiculous, you do more to undermine the rights enshrined in the Second Amendment than any so-called 'gun-grabber.'

The Second Amendment recognizes the fundamental right of citizens to carry firearms pursuant to lawful self-defense – no other 'justification' or 'qualifications' are required; indeed, citizens are not required to 'justify' the exercising of a Constitutional right to in fact exercise that right.

As a consequence of ignorance and stupidity you incorrectly believe you've got to promote these failed, inane 'arguments' in support of the rights enshrined in the Second Amendment when in fact your posts have exactly the opposite effect, casting gun owners in a negative light as clueless dullards incapable rational, reasonable thought.

except for 18 studies…..that looked at the actual issue….

And almost all 18 are done by the same disgraced economist. There are many studies done by many different people that say carry doesn't affect crime rates.

Nope…you lie, Lott, the leader in the field has done 6, the other 12 by other researchers…you know this and you just lied….and there are 10 who say it doesn't effect the crime rate and 1 that says it does…..I have linked to these studies numerous times, and you always choose to lie…..

Are you including the newest one? I doubt it. So link just the 12 that are not lott.

And here you go....click on the image to enlarge to see the studies....

http://crimepreventionresearchcente...-Maryland-Law-Review-Lott-Concealed-Carry.pdf

Lott...list of papers...

Of course, the single paper that Shermer cites was mentioned and discussed at length in the review of the literature that Lott provided in More Guns, Less Crime (click on screen shots to make them larger). Unfortunately, Scientific American wasn’t willing to allow a link to this list of papers.



Do Right-to-carry laws reduce violent crime? - Crime Prevention Research Center


A 2012 survey of the literature is available here. Some of the research showing that concealed carry laws reduce violent crime is listed here.

Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by John R. Lott, Jr. and David B. Mustard, Journal of Legal Studies, 1997

The Effect of Concealed Weapons Laws: An Extreme Bound Analysis by William Alan Bartley and Mark A Cohen, published in Economic Inquiry, April 1998 (Copy available here)

Criminal Deterrence, Geographic Spillovers, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by Stephen Bronars and John R. Lott, Jr., American Economic Review, May 1998

The Impact of Gun Laws on Police Deaths by David Mustard, published in the Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Privately Produced General Deterrence By BRUCE L. BENSON AND BRENT D. MAST, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Does the Right to Carry Concealed Handguns Deter Countable Crimes? Only a Count Analysis Can Say By FLORENZ PLASSMANN AND T. NICOLAUS TIDEMAN, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Testing for the Effects of Concealed Weapons Laws: Specification Errors and Robustness By CARLISLE E. MOODY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Safe-Storage Gun Laws: Accidental Deaths, Suicides, and Crime By JOHN R. LOTT, JR., AND JOHN E. WHITLEY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Right-to-Carry Concealed Weapon Laws and Homicide in Large U.S. Counties: The Effect on Weapon Types, Victim Characteristics, and Victim-Offender Relationships By DAVID E. OLSON AND MICHAEL D. MALTZ, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

The Impact of Banning Juvenile Gun Possession By Thomas B. Marvell, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Measurement Error in County-Level UCR Data by John R. Lott, Jr. and John Whitley, published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology, June 2003, Volume 19, Issue 2, pp 185-198

Confirming More Guns, Less Crime by Florenz Plassmann and John Whitley, published in the Stanford Law Review, 2003

Using Placebo Laws to Test “More Guns, Less Crime” by Eric Helland and Alexander Tabarrok, published in Advances in Economic Analysis and Policy, 4 (1): Article 1, 2004

Multiple Victim Public Shootings, Bombings, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handgun Laws: Contrasting Private and Public Law Enforcement By John R. Lott, Jr. and William Landes, published in The Bias Against Guns

More Readers of Gun Magazines, But Not More Crimes by Florenz Plassmann and John R. Lott, Jr.

“More Guns, Less Crime” by John R Lott, Jr. (University of Chicago Press, 2010, 3rd edition).

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody, Thomas B. Marvell, Paul R Zimmerman, and Fasil Alemante published in Review of Economics & Finance, 2014

“An examination of the effects of concealed weapons laws and assault weapons bans on state-level murder rates” by Mark Giusa published in Applied Economics Letters, Volume 21, Issue 4, 2014

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, volume 5, number 3, September 2008

“The Debate on Shall Issue Laws, Continued” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 6, Number 2 May 2009

“Did John Lott Provide Bad Data to the NRC? A Note on Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang” by Carlisle e. Moody, John R Lott, Jr, and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 10, Number 1, January 2013

More Guns, Less Crime: A Response to Ayres and Donohue’s 1999 book review in the American Law and Economics Review by John R. Lott, Jr.

Right-to-Carry Laws and Violent Crime Revisited: Clustering, Measurement Error, and State-by-State Break downs by John R. Lott, Jr.

Most your links again say by John Lott. Where are the 12 he was not involved with?

"gun murder rate drops again in 2014...as over 12.8 million carry guns for self defense.."

And here is yet another example of one of your ridiculous threads that fails as a confusion of correlation and causation fallacy – there is no evidence whatsoever that the decrease in murders where guns were used has anything to do with citizens carrying concealed firearms.

Again: you're truly ignorant and ridiculous, you do more to undermine the rights enshrined in the Second Amendment than any so-called 'gun-grabber.'

The Second Amendment recognizes the fundamental right of citizens to carry firearms pursuant to lawful self-defense – no other 'justification' or 'qualifications' are required; indeed, citizens are not required to 'justify' the exercising of a Constitutional right to in fact exercise that right.

As a consequence of ignorance and stupidity you incorrectly believe you've got to promote these failed, inane 'arguments' in support of the rights enshrined in the Second Amendment when in fact your posts have exactly the opposite effect, casting gun owners in a negative light as clueless dullards incapable rational, reasonable thought.

except for 18 studies…..that looked at the actual issue….

And almost all 18 are done by the same disgraced economist. There are many studies done by many different people that say carry doesn't affect crime rates.

Nope…you lie, Lott, the leader in the field has done 6, the other 12 by other researchers…you know this and you just lied….and there are 10 who say it doesn't effect the crime rate and 1 that says it does…..I have linked to these studies numerous times, and you always choose to lie…..

Are you including the newest one? I doubt it. So link just the 12 that are not lott.

Try this one....

http://johnrlott.tripod.com/Plassmann_Whitley.pdf

Confirming ìMore Guns, Less Crimeî

Florenz Plassmann* & John Whitley**

Analyzing county-level data for the entire United States from 1977 to 2000, we find annual reductions in murder rates between 1.5% and 2.3% for each additional year that a right-to-carry law is in effect. For the first five years that such a law is in effect, the total benefit from reduced crimes usually ranges between approximately $2 billion and $3 billion per year.

Ayres and Donohue have simply misread their own results. Their own most general specification that breaks down the impact of the law on a year-by- year basis shows large crime-reducing benefits. Virtually none of their claims that their county-level hybrid model implies initial significant increases in crime are correct. Overall, the vast majority of their estimatesóbased on data up to 1997óactually demonstrate that right-to-carry laws produce substantial crime-reducing benefits. We show that their models also do an extremely poor job of predicting the changes in crime rates after 1997.

Really? johnlott.tripod.com?

 

[2aguy]

And another look at the lower gun murder rate in 2014.....

FBI: Violent Crime Continues 12 Year Downward Trend ... "Gun Violence Epidemic" Debunked Again - The Truth About Guns

This continued decline in the murder rate comes as many states are restoring gun rights to their citizens and the number of firearms in the United States continues to increase by millions annually. Logic dictates that a decreasing murder rate in the face of an increasing firearms ownership indicates that guns and murder are not related.

While the idea popularized by John Lott – more guns = less crime – is subject to debate, it’s a fact that more guns don’t cause more murders. Gun control activists have ignored this trend for the last 12 years. And there’s little hope that they will recognize – or admit – the flaw in their argument anytime soon.

 

[OnePercenter]

For every gun used to murder someone, almost 37,000 are not.

The US has 10.64 fire-arm related deaths per 100,000 population.

In relation, the United Kingdom has 0.26 fire-arm related deaths per 100,000 population.

Which country has the better idea?

We do...the countries in Europe handed over their citizens to the Germans to be murdered...to the tune of 12 million people....all disarmed, all helpless and marched to the slaughter because they couldn't fight back.....average out those 12 million murdered by their governments....the primary reason we have the 2nd Amendment in the first place...and their murder rate far out strips ours....

And of course most of our gun murder happens in very small, multi block areas of democrat controlled cities...they vote for it.....and it rarely if ever touches normal Americans.....

Which has nothing to do with what were debating. Stay focused. The UK has a gun ban, less gun deaths.

 

[2aguy]

For every gun used to murder someone, almost 37,000 are not.

The US has 10.64 fire-arm related deaths per 100,000 population.

In relation, the United Kingdom has 0.26 fire-arm related deaths per 100,000 population.

Which country has the better idea?

We do...the countries in Europe handed over their citizens to the Germans to be murdered...to the tune of 12 million people....all disarmed, all helpless and marched to the slaughter because they couldn't fight back.....average out those 12 million murdered by their governments....the primary reason we have the 2nd Amendment in the first place...and their murder rate far out strips ours....

And of course most of our gun murder happens in very small, multi block areas of democrat controlled cities...they vote for it.....and it rarely if ever touches normal Americans.....

Which has nothing to do with what were debating. Stay focused. The UK has a gun ban, less gun deaths.

It was brought up, I responded.....and this 19 year old kid got a gun easily...in Britain...with all of their gun laws...dittos the various shooters in France, Belgium, Sweden, all with fully automatic rifles......all easily gotten....with all of their strict gun laws...

 

[2aguy]

except for 18 studies…..that looked at the actual issue….

And almost all 18 are done by the same disgraced economist. There are many studies done by many different people that say carry doesn't affect crime rates.

Nope…you lie, Lott, the leader in the field has done 6, the other 12 by other researchers…you know this and you just lied….and there are 10 who say it doesn't effect the crime rate and 1 that says it does…..I have linked to these studies numerous times, and you always choose to lie…..

Are you including the newest one? I doubt it. So link just the 12 that are not lott.

And here you go....click on the image to enlarge to see the studies....

http://crimepreventionresearchcente...-Maryland-Law-Review-Lott-Concealed-Carry.pdf

Lott...list of papers...

Of course, the single paper that Shermer cites was mentioned and discussed at length in the review of the literature that Lott provided in More Guns, Less Crime (click on screen shots to make them larger). Unfortunately, Scientific American wasn’t willing to allow a link to this list of papers.



Do Right-to-carry laws reduce violent crime? - Crime Prevention Research Center


A 2012 survey of the literature is available here. Some of the research showing that concealed carry laws reduce violent crime is listed here.

Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by John R. Lott, Jr. and David B. Mustard, Journal of Legal Studies, 1997

The Effect of Concealed Weapons Laws: An Extreme Bound Analysis by William Alan Bartley and Mark A Cohen, published in Economic Inquiry, April 1998 (Copy available here)

Criminal Deterrence, Geographic Spillovers, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by Stephen Bronars and John R. Lott, Jr., American Economic Review, May 1998

The Impact of Gun Laws on Police Deaths by David Mustard, published in the Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Privately Produced General Deterrence By BRUCE L. BENSON AND BRENT D. MAST, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Does the Right to Carry Concealed Handguns Deter Countable Crimes? Only a Count Analysis Can Say By FLORENZ PLASSMANN AND T. NICOLAUS TIDEMAN, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Testing for the Effects of Concealed Weapons Laws: Specification Errors and Robustness By CARLISLE E. MOODY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Safe-Storage Gun Laws: Accidental Deaths, Suicides, and Crime By JOHN R. LOTT, JR., AND JOHN E. WHITLEY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Right-to-Carry Concealed Weapon Laws and Homicide in Large U.S. Counties: The Effect on Weapon Types, Victim Characteristics, and Victim-Offender Relationships By DAVID E. OLSON AND MICHAEL D. MALTZ, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

The Impact of Banning Juvenile Gun Possession By Thomas B. Marvell, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Measurement Error in County-Level UCR Data by John R. Lott, Jr. and John Whitley, published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology, June 2003, Volume 19, Issue 2, pp 185-198

Confirming More Guns, Less Crime by Florenz Plassmann and John Whitley, published in the Stanford Law Review, 2003

Using Placebo Laws to Test “More Guns, Less Crime” by Eric Helland and Alexander Tabarrok, published in Advances in Economic Analysis and Policy, 4 (1): Article 1, 2004

Multiple Victim Public Shootings, Bombings, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handgun Laws: Contrasting Private and Public Law Enforcement By John R. Lott, Jr. and William Landes, published in The Bias Against Guns

More Readers of Gun Magazines, But Not More Crimes by Florenz Plassmann and John R. Lott, Jr.

“More Guns, Less Crime” by John R Lott, Jr. (University of Chicago Press, 2010, 3rd edition).

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody, Thomas B. Marvell, Paul R Zimmerman, and Fasil Alemante published in Review of Economics & Finance, 2014

“An examination of the effects of concealed weapons laws and assault weapons bans on state-level murder rates” by Mark Giusa published in Applied Economics Letters, Volume 21, Issue 4, 2014

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, volume 5, number 3, September 2008

“The Debate on Shall Issue Laws, Continued” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 6, Number 2 May 2009

“Did John Lott Provide Bad Data to the NRC? A Note on Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang” by Carlisle e. Moody, John R Lott, Jr, and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 10, Number 1, January 2013

More Guns, Less Crime: A Response to Ayres and Donohue’s 1999 book review in the American Law and Economics Review by John R. Lott, Jr.

Right-to-Carry Laws and Violent Crime Revisited: Clustering, Measurement Error, and State-by-State Break downs by John R. Lott, Jr.

Most your links again say by John Lott. Where are the 12 he was not involved with?

except for 18 studies…..that looked at the actual issue….

And almost all 18 are done by the same disgraced economist. There are many studies done by many different people that say carry doesn't affect crime rates.

Nope…you lie, Lott, the leader in the field has done 6, the other 12 by other researchers…you know this and you just lied….and there are 10 who say it doesn't effect the crime rate and 1 that says it does…..I have linked to these studies numerous times, and you always choose to lie…..

Are you including the newest one? I doubt it. So link just the 12 that are not lott.

Try this one....

http://johnrlott.tripod.com/Plassmann_Whitley.pdf

Confirming ìMore Guns, Less Crimeî

Florenz Plassmann* & John Whitley**

Analyzing county-level data for the entire United States from 1977 to 2000, we find annual reductions in murder rates between 1.5% and 2.3% for each additional year that a right-to-carry law is in effect. For the first five years that such a law is in effect, the total benefit from reduced crimes usually ranges between approximately $2 billion and $3 billion per year.

Ayres and Donohue have simply misread their own results. Their own most general specification that breaks down the impact of the law on a year-by- year basis shows large crime-reducing benefits. Virtually none of their claims that their county-level hybrid model implies initial significant increases in crime are correct. Overall, the vast majority of their estimatesóbased on data up to 1997óactually demonstrate that right-to-carry laws produce substantial crime-reducing benefits. We show that their models also do an extremely poor job of predicting the changes in crime rates after 1997.

Really? johnlott.tripod.com?

As I pointed out moron.....12....

 

[OnePercenter]

LOL! No... Ya didn't.

And how can we know that?

We know that you're lying, because Americans are those who recognize, respect, defend and adhere to the principles that define America. And those principles rest in the laws of nature that govern human behavior, which require each individual to bear the responsibilities that sustain their rights. And where one executes the innocent, they forfeit their own right to their own life.

Therefore, that is the reason you do not find Americans executing those who are not a clear and present threat to their own life and good health.

Now that is contrasted by the Ideological Left, who advocate for Foreign Ideas hostile to American principle... and as a consequence it is the Ideological Left that is presently, publicly calling for the murder of Police Officers.

Before he killed two police officers and a bystander in Las Vegas, Jerad Miller fought for Cliven Bundy.

Jerad Miller protested at Cliven Bundy ranch — but was booted for ‘very radical’ views

I see your rant forgot following law.

 

[2aguy]

LOL! No... Ya didn't.

And how can we know that?

We know that you're lying, because Americans are those who recognize, respect, defend and adhere to the principles that define America. And those principles rest in the laws of nature that govern human behavior, which require each individual to bear the responsibilities that sustain their rights. And where one executes the innocent, they forfeit their own right to their own life.

Therefore, that is the reason you do not find Americans executing those who are not a clear and present threat to their own life and good health.

Now that is contrasted by the Ideological Left, who advocate for Foreign Ideas hostile to American principle... and as a consequence it is the Ideological Left that is presently, publicly calling for the murder of Police Officers.

Before he killed two police officers and a bystander in Las Vegas, Jerad Miller fought for Cliven Bundy.

Jerad Miller protested at Cliven Bundy ranch — but was booted for ‘very radical’ views

I see your rant forgot following law.

And all the rest are left wingers.....including almost all of the Presidential assasins....

 

[OnePercenter]

For every gun used to murder someone, almost 37,000 are not.

The US has 10.64 fire-arm related deaths per 100,000 population.

In relation, the United Kingdom has 0.26 fire-arm related deaths per 100,000 population.

Which country has the better idea?

The US.... Which rests upon American Principle.

99.99999999999~% of US firearms are owned by individuals living outside of Socialist Population Centers. And absent US Population Centers, Fire-arm Related Deaths in the US are the lowest on Earth.

There are less people killed by guns in areas of less population. BRILLIANT!

No dipshit....actual gun murder occurs mainly in very small geographic areas in small, multi block areas of inner cities while the rest of the city is peaceful......so no...you are wrong again.

In urban areas.

 

[OnePercenter]

It was brought up, I responded.....and this 19 year old kid got a gun easily...in Britain...with all of their gun laws...dittos the various shooters in France, Belgium, Sweden, all with fully automatic rifles......all easily gotten....with all of their strict gun laws...

And the UK still has a MUCH lower gun death rate than the US.

 

[2aguy]

For every gun used to murder someone, almost 37,000 are not.

The US has 10.64 fire-arm related deaths per 100,000 population.

In relation, the United Kingdom has 0.26 fire-arm related deaths per 100,000 population.

Which country has the better idea?

The US.... Which rests upon American Principle.

99.99999999999~% of US firearms are owned by individuals living outside of Socialist Population Centers. And absent US Population Centers, Fire-arm Related Deaths in the US are the lowest on Earth.

There are less people killed by guns in areas of less population. BRILLIANT!

No dipshit....actual gun murder occurs mainly in very small geographic areas in small, multi block areas of inner cities while the rest of the city is peaceful......so no...you are wrong again.

In urban areas.

Yes...in cities....that is where the gun crimes happen...but only in a tiny part of those "urban areas," the rest of the cities...the rich, white, democrat parts of the cities are peaceful...because the democrats make sure they have enough police...walk down Michigan Ave. sometime...lots and lots of police....and the neighborhoods......small multi block areas.....

A huge population center...a major city......and only a small area does all the shooting...

 

[Brain357]

And almost all 18 are done by the same disgraced economist. There are many studies done by many different people that say carry doesn't affect crime rates.

Nope…you lie, Lott, the leader in the field has done 6, the other 12 by other researchers…you know this and you just lied….and there are 10 who say it doesn't effect the crime rate and 1 that says it does…..I have linked to these studies numerous times, and you always choose to lie…..

Are you including the newest one? I doubt it. So link just the 12 that are not lott.

And here you go....click on the image to enlarge to see the studies....

http://crimepreventionresearchcente...-Maryland-Law-Review-Lott-Concealed-Carry.pdf

Lott...list of papers...

Of course, the single paper that Shermer cites was mentioned and discussed at length in the review of the literature that Lott provided in More Guns, Less Crime (click on screen shots to make them larger). Unfortunately, Scientific American wasn’t willing to allow a link to this list of papers.



Do Right-to-carry laws reduce violent crime? - Crime Prevention Research Center


A 2012 survey of the literature is available here. Some of the research showing that concealed carry laws reduce violent crime is listed here.

Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by John R. Lott, Jr. and David B. Mustard, Journal of Legal Studies, 1997

The Effect of Concealed Weapons Laws: An Extreme Bound Analysis by William Alan Bartley and Mark A Cohen, published in Economic Inquiry, April 1998 (Copy available here)

Criminal Deterrence, Geographic Spillovers, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by Stephen Bronars and John R. Lott, Jr., American Economic Review, May 1998

The Impact of Gun Laws on Police Deaths by David Mustard, published in the Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Privately Produced General Deterrence By BRUCE L. BENSON AND BRENT D. MAST, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Does the Right to Carry Concealed Handguns Deter Countable Crimes? Only a Count Analysis Can Say By FLORENZ PLASSMANN AND T. NICOLAUS TIDEMAN, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Testing for the Effects of Concealed Weapons Laws: Specification Errors and Robustness By CARLISLE E. MOODY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Safe-Storage Gun Laws: Accidental Deaths, Suicides, and Crime By JOHN R. LOTT, JR., AND JOHN E. WHITLEY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Right-to-Carry Concealed Weapon Laws and Homicide in Large U.S. Counties: The Effect on Weapon Types, Victim Characteristics, and Victim-Offender Relationships By DAVID E. OLSON AND MICHAEL D. MALTZ, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

The Impact of Banning Juvenile Gun Possession By Thomas B. Marvell, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Measurement Error in County-Level UCR Data by John R. Lott, Jr. and John Whitley, published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology, June 2003, Volume 19, Issue 2, pp 185-198

Confirming More Guns, Less Crime by Florenz Plassmann and John Whitley, published in the Stanford Law Review, 2003

Using Placebo Laws to Test “More Guns, Less Crime” by Eric Helland and Alexander Tabarrok, published in Advances in Economic Analysis and Policy, 4 (1): Article 1, 2004

Multiple Victim Public Shootings, Bombings, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handgun Laws: Contrasting Private and Public Law Enforcement By John R. Lott, Jr. and William Landes, published in The Bias Against Guns

More Readers of Gun Magazines, But Not More Crimes by Florenz Plassmann and John R. Lott, Jr.

“More Guns, Less Crime” by John R Lott, Jr. (University of Chicago Press, 2010, 3rd edition).

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody, Thomas B. Marvell, Paul R Zimmerman, and Fasil Alemante published in Review of Economics & Finance, 2014

“An examination of the effects of concealed weapons laws and assault weapons bans on state-level murder rates” by Mark Giusa published in Applied Economics Letters, Volume 21, Issue 4, 2014

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, volume 5, number 3, September 2008

“The Debate on Shall Issue Laws, Continued” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 6, Number 2 May 2009

“Did John Lott Provide Bad Data to the NRC? A Note on Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang” by Carlisle e. Moody, John R Lott, Jr, and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 10, Number 1, January 2013

More Guns, Less Crime: A Response to Ayres and Donohue’s 1999 book review in the American Law and Economics Review by John R. Lott, Jr.

Right-to-Carry Laws and Violent Crime Revisited: Clustering, Measurement Error, and State-by-State Break downs by John R. Lott, Jr.

Most your links again say by John Lott. Where are the 12 he was not involved with?

And almost all 18 are done by the same disgraced economist. There are many studies done by many different people that say carry doesn't affect crime rates.

Nope…you lie, Lott, the leader in the field has done 6, the other 12 by other researchers…you know this and you just lied….and there are 10 who say it doesn't effect the crime rate and 1 that says it does…..I have linked to these studies numerous times, and you always choose to lie…..

Are you including the newest one? I doubt it. So link just the 12 that are not lott.

Try this one....

http://johnrlott.tripod.com/Plassmann_Whitley.pdf

Confirming ìMore Guns, Less Crimeî

Florenz Plassmann* & John Whitley**

Analyzing county-level data for the entire United States from 1977 to 2000, we find annual reductions in murder rates between 1.5% and 2.3% for each additional year that a right-to-carry law is in effect. For the first five years that such a law is in effect, the total benefit from reduced crimes usually ranges between approximately $2 billion and $3 billion per year.

Ayres and Donohue have simply misread their own results. Their own most general specification that breaks down the impact of the law on a year-by- year basis shows large crime-reducing benefits. Virtually none of their claims that their county-level hybrid model implies initial significant increases in crime are correct. Overall, the vast majority of their estimatesóbased on data up to 1997óactually demonstrate that right-to-carry laws produce substantial crime-reducing benefits. We show that their models also do an extremely poor job of predicting the changes in crime rates after 1997.

Really? johnlott.tripod.com?

As I pointed out moron.....12....

I see from lott's site, of course. The list looks really repetitive...

 

[2aguy]

It was brought up, I responded.....and this 19 year old kid got a gun easily...in Britain...with all of their gun laws...dittos the various shooters in France, Belgium, Sweden, all with fully automatic rifles......all easily gotten....with all of their strict gun laws...

And the UK still has a MUCH lower gun death rate than the US.

and is 2 times as violent......again, it isn't the guns since they can get guns just as easily as our criminals do....they just don't use them. Their culture is different...but it is changing as they import more violent jihadis into their country....

 

[2aguy]

Nope…you lie, Lott, the leader in the field has done 6, the other 12 by other researchers…you know this and you just lied….and there are 10 who say it doesn't effect the crime rate and 1 that says it does…..I have linked to these studies numerous times, and you always choose to lie…..

Are you including the newest one? I doubt it. So link just the 12 that are not lott.

And here you go....click on the image to enlarge to see the studies....

http://crimepreventionresearchcente...-Maryland-Law-Review-Lott-Concealed-Carry.pdf

Lott...list of papers...

Of course, the single paper that Shermer cites was mentioned and discussed at length in the review of the literature that Lott provided in More Guns, Less Crime (click on screen shots to make them larger). Unfortunately, Scientific American wasn’t willing to allow a link to this list of papers.



Do Right-to-carry laws reduce violent crime? - Crime Prevention Research Center


A 2012 survey of the literature is available here. Some of the research showing that concealed carry laws reduce violent crime is listed here.

Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by John R. Lott, Jr. and David B. Mustard, Journal of Legal Studies, 1997

The Effect of Concealed Weapons Laws: An Extreme Bound Analysis by William Alan Bartley and Mark A Cohen, published in Economic Inquiry, April 1998 (Copy available here)

Criminal Deterrence, Geographic Spillovers, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by Stephen Bronars and John R. Lott, Jr., American Economic Review, May 1998

The Impact of Gun Laws on Police Deaths by David Mustard, published in the Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Privately Produced General Deterrence By BRUCE L. BENSON AND BRENT D. MAST, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Does the Right to Carry Concealed Handguns Deter Countable Crimes? Only a Count Analysis Can Say By FLORENZ PLASSMANN AND T. NICOLAUS TIDEMAN, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Testing for the Effects of Concealed Weapons Laws: Specification Errors and Robustness By CARLISLE E. MOODY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Safe-Storage Gun Laws: Accidental Deaths, Suicides, and Crime By JOHN R. LOTT, JR., AND JOHN E. WHITLEY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Right-to-Carry Concealed Weapon Laws and Homicide in Large U.S. Counties: The Effect on Weapon Types, Victim Characteristics, and Victim-Offender Relationships By DAVID E. OLSON AND MICHAEL D. MALTZ, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

The Impact of Banning Juvenile Gun Possession By Thomas B. Marvell, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Measurement Error in County-Level UCR Data by John R. Lott, Jr. and John Whitley, published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology, June 2003, Volume 19, Issue 2, pp 185-198

Confirming More Guns, Less Crime by Florenz Plassmann and John Whitley, published in the Stanford Law Review, 2003

Using Placebo Laws to Test “More Guns, Less Crime” by Eric Helland and Alexander Tabarrok, published in Advances in Economic Analysis and Policy, 4 (1): Article 1, 2004

Multiple Victim Public Shootings, Bombings, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handgun Laws: Contrasting Private and Public Law Enforcement By John R. Lott, Jr. and William Landes, published in The Bias Against Guns

More Readers of Gun Magazines, But Not More Crimes by Florenz Plassmann and John R. Lott, Jr.

“More Guns, Less Crime” by John R Lott, Jr. (University of Chicago Press, 2010, 3rd edition).

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody, Thomas B. Marvell, Paul R Zimmerman, and Fasil Alemante published in Review of Economics & Finance, 2014

“An examination of the effects of concealed weapons laws and assault weapons bans on state-level murder rates” by Mark Giusa published in Applied Economics Letters, Volume 21, Issue 4, 2014

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, volume 5, number 3, September 2008

“The Debate on Shall Issue Laws, Continued” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 6, Number 2 May 2009

“Did John Lott Provide Bad Data to the NRC? A Note on Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang” by Carlisle e. Moody, John R Lott, Jr, and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 10, Number 1, January 2013

More Guns, Less Crime: A Response to Ayres and Donohue’s 1999 book review in the American Law and Economics Review by John R. Lott, Jr.

Right-to-Carry Laws and Violent Crime Revisited: Clustering, Measurement Error, and State-by-State Break downs by John R. Lott, Jr.

Most your links again say by John Lott. Where are the 12 he was not involved with?

Nope…you lie, Lott, the leader in the field has done 6, the other 12 by other researchers…you know this and you just lied….and there are 10 who say it doesn't effect the crime rate and 1 that says it does…..I have linked to these studies numerous times, and you always choose to lie…..

Are you including the newest one? I doubt it. So link just the 12 that are not lott.

Try this one....

http://johnrlott.tripod.com/Plassmann_Whitley.pdf

Confirming ìMore Guns, Less Crimeî

Florenz Plassmann* & John Whitley**

Analyzing county-level data for the entire United States from 1977 to 2000, we find annual reductions in murder rates between 1.5% and 2.3% for each additional year that a right-to-carry law is in effect. For the first five years that such a law is in effect, the total benefit from reduced crimes usually ranges between approximately $2 billion and $3 billion per year.

Ayres and Donohue have simply misread their own results. Their own most general specification that breaks down the impact of the law on a year-by- year basis shows large crime-reducing benefits. Virtually none of their claims that their county-level hybrid model implies initial significant increases in crime are correct. Overall, the vast majority of their estimatesóbased on data up to 1997óactually demonstrate that right-to-carry laws produce substantial crime-reducing benefits. We show that their models also do an extremely poor job of predicting the changes in crime rates after 1997.

Really? johnlott.tripod.com?

As I pointed out moron.....12....

I see from lott's site, of course. The list looks really repetitive...

And the goal post moves....you are vile brain...

 

[OnePercenter]

And all the rest are left wingers.....including almost all of the Presidential assasins....

Left wingers that protested multi-millionaire Bundy paying his bills?

 

[2aguy]

It was brought up, I responded.....and this 19 year old kid got a gun easily...in Britain...with all of their gun laws...dittos the various shooters in France, Belgium, Sweden, all with fully automatic rifles......all easily gotten....with all of their strict gun laws...

And the UK still has a MUCH lower gun death rate than the US.

British teen sentenced to life for planned school attack

Despite some of the tightest gun control on the planet, a British man was able to acquire a handgun, extended mags and explosives as part of a plot to attack his former school.

Liam Lyburd, 19, of Newcastle upon Tyne, was sentenced to life imprisonment this week on eight charges of possessing weapons with intent to endanger life.

As noted by the BBC, Lyburd gathered a cache that included a Glock 19, three 33-round magazines, 94 hollow-point bullets, CS gas, five pipe bombs and two other improvised explosive devices despite the country’s long history of civilian arms control.

According to court documents, Lyburd planned to use the weapons in an attack on Newcastle College, from which he had been expelled two years prior for poor attendance. He was arrested last November after two Northumbria Police constables visited him at his home on a tip from an individual who encountered threats and disturbing pictures posted by Lyburd online.

The internet-savvy teen obtained the Glock and other items through Evolution Marketplace, a successor to the Silk Road, a long-time “dark web” site in which users could buy and sell everything from illegal narcotics to munitions using Bitcoin cryptocurrency.

In court, Lyburd testified that buying the Glock was so easy it was “like buying a bar of chocolate.”

 

[OnePercenter]

and is 2 times as violent......again, it isn't the guns since they can get guns just as easily as our criminals do....they just don't use them. Their culture is different...but it is changing as they import more violent jihadis into their country....

Our jihadist are bible thumping/constitution waving Christians.

 

[Brain357]

Are you including the newest one? I doubt it. So link just the 12 that are not lott.

And here you go....click on the image to enlarge to see the studies....

http://crimepreventionresearchcente...-Maryland-Law-Review-Lott-Concealed-Carry.pdf

Lott...list of papers...

Of course, the single paper that Shermer cites was mentioned and discussed at length in the review of the literature that Lott provided in More Guns, Less Crime (click on screen shots to make them larger). Unfortunately, Scientific American wasn’t willing to allow a link to this list of papers.



Do Right-to-carry laws reduce violent crime? - Crime Prevention Research Center


A 2012 survey of the literature is available here. Some of the research showing that concealed carry laws reduce violent crime is listed here.

Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by John R. Lott, Jr. and David B. Mustard, Journal of Legal Studies, 1997

The Effect of Concealed Weapons Laws: An Extreme Bound Analysis by William Alan Bartley and Mark A Cohen, published in Economic Inquiry, April 1998 (Copy available here)

Criminal Deterrence, Geographic Spillovers, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by Stephen Bronars and John R. Lott, Jr., American Economic Review, May 1998

The Impact of Gun Laws on Police Deaths by David Mustard, published in the Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Privately Produced General Deterrence By BRUCE L. BENSON AND BRENT D. MAST, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Does the Right to Carry Concealed Handguns Deter Countable Crimes? Only a Count Analysis Can Say By FLORENZ PLASSMANN AND T. NICOLAUS TIDEMAN, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Testing for the Effects of Concealed Weapons Laws: Specification Errors and Robustness By CARLISLE E. MOODY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Safe-Storage Gun Laws: Accidental Deaths, Suicides, and Crime By JOHN R. LOTT, JR., AND JOHN E. WHITLEY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Right-to-Carry Concealed Weapon Laws and Homicide in Large U.S. Counties: The Effect on Weapon Types, Victim Characteristics, and Victim-Offender Relationships By DAVID E. OLSON AND MICHAEL D. MALTZ, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

The Impact of Banning Juvenile Gun Possession By Thomas B. Marvell, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Measurement Error in County-Level UCR Data by John R. Lott, Jr. and John Whitley, published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology, June 2003, Volume 19, Issue 2, pp 185-198

Confirming More Guns, Less Crime by Florenz Plassmann and John Whitley, published in the Stanford Law Review, 2003

Using Placebo Laws to Test “More Guns, Less Crime” by Eric Helland and Alexander Tabarrok, published in Advances in Economic Analysis and Policy, 4 (1): Article 1, 2004

Multiple Victim Public Shootings, Bombings, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handgun Laws: Contrasting Private and Public Law Enforcement By John R. Lott, Jr. and William Landes, published in The Bias Against Guns

More Readers of Gun Magazines, But Not More Crimes by Florenz Plassmann and John R. Lott, Jr.

“More Guns, Less Crime” by John R Lott, Jr. (University of Chicago Press, 2010, 3rd edition).

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody, Thomas B. Marvell, Paul R Zimmerman, and Fasil Alemante published in Review of Economics & Finance, 2014

“An examination of the effects of concealed weapons laws and assault weapons bans on state-level murder rates” by Mark Giusa published in Applied Economics Letters, Volume 21, Issue 4, 2014

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, volume 5, number 3, September 2008

“The Debate on Shall Issue Laws, Continued” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 6, Number 2 May 2009

“Did John Lott Provide Bad Data to the NRC? A Note on Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang” by Carlisle e. Moody, John R Lott, Jr, and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 10, Number 1, January 2013

More Guns, Less Crime: A Response to Ayres and Donohue’s 1999 book review in the American Law and Economics Review by John R. Lott, Jr.

Right-to-Carry Laws and Violent Crime Revisited: Clustering, Measurement Error, and State-by-State Break downs by John R. Lott, Jr.

Most your links again say by John Lott. Where are the 12 he was not involved with?

Are you including the newest one? I doubt it. So link just the 12 that are not lott.

Try this one....

http://johnrlott.tripod.com/Plassmann_Whitley.pdf

Confirming ìMore Guns, Less Crimeî

Florenz Plassmann* & John Whitley**

Analyzing county-level data for the entire United States from 1977 to 2000, we find annual reductions in murder rates between 1.5% and 2.3% for each additional year that a right-to-carry law is in effect. For the first five years that such a law is in effect, the total benefit from reduced crimes usually ranges between approximately $2 billion and $3 billion per year.

Ayres and Donohue have simply misread their own results. Their own most general specification that breaks down the impact of the law on a year-by- year basis shows large crime-reducing benefits. Virtually none of their claims that their county-level hybrid model implies initial significant increases in crime are correct. Overall, the vast majority of their estimatesóbased on data up to 1997óactually demonstrate that right-to-carry laws produce substantial crime-reducing benefits. We show that their models also do an extremely poor job of predicting the changes in crime rates after 1997.

Really? johnlott.tripod.com?

As I pointed out moron.....12....

I see from lott's site, of course. The list looks really repetitive...

And the goal post moves....you are vile brain...

Well your source is Lott again, his website. I read through the study by Bartley and Cohen. It does not state that concealed carry reduces crime:

It is just stating the claim can't be dismissed. The lott website obviously exaggerates.

 

[OnePercenter]

It was brought up, I responded.....and this 19 year old kid got a gun easily...in Britain...with all of their gun laws...dittos the various shooters in France, Belgium, Sweden, all with fully automatic rifles......all easily gotten....with all of their strict gun laws...

And the UK still has a MUCH lower gun death rate than the US.

British teen sentenced to life for planned school attack

Despite some of the tightest gun control on the planet, a British man was able to acquire a handgun, extended mags and explosives as part of a plot to attack his former school.

Liam Lyburd, 19, of Newcastle upon Tyne, was sentenced to life imprisonment this week on eight charges of possessing weapons with intent to endanger life.

As noted by the BBC, Lyburd gathered a cache that included a Glock 19, three 33-round magazines, 94 hollow-point bullets, CS gas, five pipe bombs and two other improvised explosive devices despite the country’s long history of civilian arms control.

According to court documents, Lyburd planned to use the weapons in an attack on Newcastle College, from which he had been expelled two years prior for poor attendance. He was arrested last November after two Northumbria Police constables visited him at his home on a tip from an individual who encountered threats and disturbing pictures posted by Lyburd online.

The internet-savvy teen obtained the Glock and other items through Evolution Marketplace, a successor to the Silk Road, a long-time “dark web” site in which users could buy and sell everything from illegal narcotics to munitions using Bitcoin cryptocurrency.

In court, Lyburd testified that buying the Glock was so easy it was “like buying a bar of chocolate.”

And the UK still has a MUCH lower gun death rate than the US.