gun murder rate drops again in 2014...as over 12.8 million carry guns for self defense..

"gun murder rate drops again in 2014...as over 12.8 million carry guns for self defense.."

And here is yet another example of one of your ridiculous threads that fails as a confusion of correlation and causation fallacy – there is no evidence whatsoever that the decrease in murders where guns were used has anything to do with citizens carrying concealed firearms.

Again: you're truly ignorant and ridiculous, you do more to undermine the rights enshrined in the Second Amendment than any so-called 'gun-grabber.'

The Second Amendment recognizes the fundamental right of citizens to carry firearms pursuant to lawful self-defense – no other 'justification' or 'qualifications' are required; indeed, citizens are not required to 'justify' the exercising of a Constitutional right to in fact exercise that right.

As a consequence of ignorance and stupidity you incorrectly believe you've got to promote these failed, inane 'arguments' in support of the rights enshrined in the Second Amendment when in fact your posts have exactly the opposite effect, casting gun owners in a negative light as clueless dullards incapable rational, reasonable thought.


except for 18 studies…..that looked at the actual issue….

And almost all 18 are done by the same disgraced economist. There are many studies done by many different people that say carry doesn't affect crime rates.


Nope…you lie, Lott, the leader in the field has done 6, the other 12 by other researchers…you know this and you just lied….and there are 10 who say it doesn't effect the crime rate and 1 that says it does…..I have linked to these studies numerous times, and you always choose to lie…..
 
"gun murder rate drops again in 2014...as over 12.8 million carry guns for self defense.."

And here is yet another example of one of your ridiculous threads that fails as a confusion of correlation and causation fallacy – there is no evidence whatsoever that the decrease in murders where guns were used has anything to do with citizens carrying concealed firearms.

Again: you're truly ignorant and ridiculous, you do more to undermine the rights enshrined in the Second Amendment than any so-called 'gun-grabber.'

The Second Amendment recognizes the fundamental right of citizens to carry firearms pursuant to lawful self-defense – no other 'justification' or 'qualifications' are required; indeed, citizens are not required to 'justify' the exercising of a Constitutional right to in fact exercise that right.

As a consequence of ignorance and stupidity you incorrectly believe you've got to promote these failed, inane 'arguments' in support of the rights enshrined in the Second Amendment when in fact your posts have exactly the opposite effect, casting gun owners in a negative light as clueless dullards incapable rational, reasonable thought.


except for 18 studies…..that looked at the actual issue….

And almost all 18 are done by the same disgraced economist. There are many studies done by many different people that say carry doesn't affect crime rates.


Nope…you lie, Lott, the leader in the field has done 6, the other 12 by other researchers…you know this and you just lied….and there are 10 who say it doesn't effect the crime rate and 1 that says it does…..I have linked to these studies numerous times, and you always choose to lie…..

Are you including the newest one? I doubt it. So link just the 12 that are not lott.
 
"gun murder rate drops again in 2014...as over 12.8 million carry guns for self defense.."

And here is yet another example of one of your ridiculous threads that fails as a confusion of correlation and causation fallacy – there is no evidence whatsoever that the decrease in murders where guns were used has anything to do with citizens carrying concealed firearms.

Again: you're truly ignorant and ridiculous, you do more to undermine the rights enshrined in the Second Amendment than any so-called 'gun-grabber.'

The Second Amendment recognizes the fundamental right of citizens to carry firearms pursuant to lawful self-defense – no other 'justification' or 'qualifications' are required; indeed, citizens are not required to 'justify' the exercising of a Constitutional right to in fact exercise that right.

As a consequence of ignorance and stupidity you incorrectly believe you've got to promote these failed, inane 'arguments' in support of the rights enshrined in the Second Amendment when in fact your posts have exactly the opposite effect, casting gun owners in a negative light as clueless dullards incapable rational, reasonable thought.
The idiot here is you. You either are to stupid to know that the RIGHT to carry is not in fact universal and has been denied for years in some locations or you are lying. Your claim that the right is universal is moronic and ignores reality. You are an idiot.
 
Doesn't the US have the high number of gun related deaths of any first world nation?
Yes.
Forget trying to have a discussion with this guy. He just makes things up to promote his agenda.
Here he is talking about 2014 and ignoring what is going on now because it does not fit his agenda.
His avatar is of a famous alcoholic who is a laughing stock, that should tell you something.


Moron…..we don't have stats for 2015……that is why I am not discussing 2015…..you are a dipshit…...
There are stats for 2015 so far, thus the articles on the alarming rise in murders.
 
For every gun used to murder someone, almost 37,000 are not.
:dunno:

The US has 10.64 fire-arm related deaths per 100,000 population.

In relation, the United Kingdom has 0.26 fire-arm related deaths per 100,000 population.

Which country has the better idea?
 
Ya since the 1990's we have been told over and over that allowing open carry or concealed carry would lead to a blood bath and scenes from the wild west. Hasn't happened yet, but every time a new law is made allowing it the same claims are made by the same people. Further we have been told we have an epidemic of mass shootings, again a fairy tale told by gun grabbers.

Well blood baths happen all the time... . They just happen in Chicago, Detroit, LA, DC, Philly... and in places where generations of Left-think have rinsed from the people, any sense of individual responsibility.

But... as sound individuals are armed, and they come into contact with the product of Left-think, they quickly discover what individual responsibility looks like.
 
For every gun used to murder someone, almost 37,000 are not.
:dunno:

The US has 10.64 fire-arm related deaths per 100,000 population.

In relation, the United Kingdom has 0.26 fire-arm related deaths per 100,000 population.

Which country has the better idea?

The US.... Which rests upon American Principle.

99.99999999999~% of US firearms are owned by individuals living outside of Socialist Population Centers. And absent US Population Centers, Fire-arm Related Deaths in the US are the lowest on Earth.
 
For every gun used to murder someone, almost 37,000 are not.
:dunno:

The US has 10.64 fire-arm related deaths per 100,000 population.

In relation, the United Kingdom has 0.26 fire-arm related deaths per 100,000 population.

Which country has the better idea?

The US.... Which rests upon American Principle.

99.99999999999~% of US firearms are owned by individuals living outside of Socialist Population Centers. And absent US Population Centers, Fire-arm Related Deaths in the US are the lowest on Earth.

There are less people killed by guns in areas of less population. BRILLIANT!
 
There are stats for 2015 so far, thus the articles on the alarming rise in murders.

Well likely the Result of the Left's public call to murder Police Officers and Whites.

Such is simply the nature of evil... .

Haven't the majority of cop killing been committed by RWN's?

In Vegas, we had two cops executed by members of the Bundy teabaggers.

LOL! No... Ya didn't.

And how can we know that?

We know that you're lying, because Americans are those who recognize, respect, defend and adhere to the principles that define America. And those principles rest in the laws of nature that govern human behavior, which require each individual to bear the responsibilities that sustain their rights. And where one executes the innocent, they forfeit their own right to their own life.

Therefore, that is the reason you do not find Americans executing those who are not a clear and present threat to their own life and good health.

Now that is contrasted by the Ideological Left, who advocate for Foreign Ideas hostile to American principle... and as a consequence it is the Ideological Left that is presently, publicly calling for the murder of Police Officers.
 
For every gun used to murder someone, almost 37,000 are not.
:dunno:

The US has 10.64 fire-arm related deaths per 100,000 population.

In relation, the United Kingdom has 0.26 fire-arm related deaths per 100,000 population.

Which country has the better idea?


We do...the countries in Europe handed over their citizens to the Germans to be murdered...to the tune of 12 million people....all disarmed, all helpless and marched to the slaughter because they couldn't fight back.....average out those 12 million murdered by their governments....the primary reason we have the 2nd Amendment in the first place...and their murder rate far out strips ours....

And of course most of our gun murder happens in very small, multi block areas of democrat controlled cities...they vote for it.....and it rarely if ever touches normal Americans.....
 
"gun murder rate drops again in 2014...as over 12.8 million carry guns for self defense.."

And here is yet another example of one of your ridiculous threads that fails as a confusion of correlation and causation fallacy – there is no evidence whatsoever that the decrease in murders where guns were used has anything to do with citizens carrying concealed firearms.

Again: you're truly ignorant and ridiculous, you do more to undermine the rights enshrined in the Second Amendment than any so-called 'gun-grabber.'

The Second Amendment recognizes the fundamental right of citizens to carry firearms pursuant to lawful self-defense – no other 'justification' or 'qualifications' are required; indeed, citizens are not required to 'justify' the exercising of a Constitutional right to in fact exercise that right.

As a consequence of ignorance and stupidity you incorrectly believe you've got to promote these failed, inane 'arguments' in support of the rights enshrined in the Second Amendment when in fact your posts have exactly the opposite effect, casting gun owners in a negative light as clueless dullards incapable rational, reasonable thought.


except for 18 studies…..that looked at the actual issue….

And almost all 18 are done by the same disgraced economist. There are many studies done by many different people that say carry doesn't affect crime rates.


Nope…you lie, Lott, the leader in the field has done 6, the other 12 by other researchers…you know this and you just lied….and there are 10 who say it doesn't effect the crime rate and 1 that says it does…..I have linked to these studies numerous times, and you always choose to lie…..

Are you including the newest one? I doubt it. So link just the 12 that are not lott.


And here you go....click on the image to enlarge to see the studies....

http://crimepreventionresearchcente...-Maryland-Law-Review-Lott-Concealed-Carry.pdf

Lott...list of papers...

Of course, the single paper that Shermer cites was mentioned and discussed at length in the review of the literature that Lott provided in More Guns, Less Crime (click on screen shots to make them larger). Unfortunately, Scientific American wasn’t willing to allow a link to this list of papers.



Do Right-to-carry laws reduce violent crime? - Crime Prevention Research Center


A 2012 survey of the literature is available here. Some of the research showing that concealed carry laws reduce violent crime is listed here.

Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by John R. Lott, Jr. and David B. Mustard, Journal of Legal Studies, 1997

The Effect of Concealed Weapons Laws: An Extreme Bound Analysis by William Alan Bartley and Mark A Cohen, published in Economic Inquiry, April 1998 (Copy available here)

Criminal Deterrence, Geographic Spillovers, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by Stephen Bronars and John R. Lott, Jr., American Economic Review, May 1998

The Impact of Gun Laws on Police Deaths by David Mustard, published in the Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Privately Produced General Deterrence By BRUCE L. BENSON AND BRENT D. MAST, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Does the Right to Carry Concealed Handguns Deter Countable Crimes? Only a Count Analysis Can Say By FLORENZ PLASSMANN AND T. NICOLAUS TIDEMAN, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Testing for the Effects of Concealed Weapons Laws: Specification Errors and Robustness By CARLISLE E. MOODY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Safe-Storage Gun Laws: Accidental Deaths, Suicides, and Crime By JOHN R. LOTT, JR., AND JOHN E. WHITLEY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Right-to-Carry Concealed Weapon Laws and Homicide in Large U.S. Counties: The Effect on Weapon Types, Victim Characteristics, and Victim-Offender Relationships By DAVID E. OLSON AND MICHAEL D. MALTZ, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

The Impact of Banning Juvenile Gun Possession By Thomas B. Marvell, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Measurement Error in County-Level UCR Data by John R. Lott, Jr. and John Whitley, published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology, June 2003, Volume 19, Issue 2, pp 185-198

Confirming More Guns, Less Crime by Florenz Plassmann and John Whitley, published in the Stanford Law Review, 2003

Using Placebo Laws to Test “More Guns, Less Crime” by Eric Helland and Alexander Tabarrok, published in Advances in Economic Analysis and Policy, 4 (1): Article 1, 2004

Multiple Victim Public Shootings, Bombings, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handgun Laws: Contrasting Private and Public Law Enforcement By John R. Lott, Jr. and William Landes, published in The Bias Against Guns

More Readers of Gun Magazines, But Not More Crimes by Florenz Plassmann and John R. Lott, Jr.

“More Guns, Less Crime” by John R Lott, Jr. (University of Chicago Press, 2010, 3rd edition).

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody, Thomas B. Marvell, Paul R Zimmerman, and Fasil Alemante published in Review of Economics & Finance, 2014

“An examination of the effects of concealed weapons laws and assault weapons bans on state-level murder rates” by Mark Giusa published in Applied Economics Letters, Volume 21, Issue 4, 2014

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, volume 5, number 3, September 2008

“The Debate on Shall Issue Laws, Continued” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 6, Number 2 May 2009

“Did John Lott Provide Bad Data to the NRC? A Note on Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang” by Carlisle e. Moody, John R Lott, Jr, and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 10, Number 1, January 2013

More Guns, Less Crime: A Response to Ayres and Donohue’s 1999 book review in the American Law and Economics Review by John R. Lott, Jr.

Right-to-Carry Laws and Violent Crime Revisited: Clustering, Measurement Error, and State-by-State Break downs by John R. Lott, Jr.
 
Doesn't the US have the high number of gun related deaths of any first world nation?
Yes.
Forget trying to have a discussion with this guy. He just makes things up to promote his agenda.
Here he is talking about 2014 and ignoring what is going on now because it does not fit his agenda.
His avatar is of a famous alcoholic who is a laughing stock, that should tell you something.


Moron…..we don't have stats for 2015……that is why I am not discussing 2015…..you are a dipshit…...
There are stats for 2015 so far, thus the articles on the alarming rise in murders.


In democrat cities where they have attacked their own police and have extreme gun control laws and prevent people from getting concealed carry permits.....Chicago, D.C., Baltimore, and of the 25 most violent cities in the country....all of them except Cleveland have been controlled by democrats for decades...and have the highest gun murder rates....
 
"gun murder rate drops again in 2014...as over 12.8 million carry guns for self defense.."

And here is yet another example of one of your ridiculous threads that fails as a confusion of correlation and causation fallacy – there is no evidence whatsoever that the decrease in murders where guns were used has anything to do with citizens carrying concealed firearms.

Again: you're truly ignorant and ridiculous, you do more to undermine the rights enshrined in the Second Amendment than any so-called 'gun-grabber.'

The Second Amendment recognizes the fundamental right of citizens to carry firearms pursuant to lawful self-defense – no other 'justification' or 'qualifications' are required; indeed, citizens are not required to 'justify' the exercising of a Constitutional right to in fact exercise that right.

As a consequence of ignorance and stupidity you incorrectly believe you've got to promote these failed, inane 'arguments' in support of the rights enshrined in the Second Amendment when in fact your posts have exactly the opposite effect, casting gun owners in a negative light as clueless dullards incapable rational, reasonable thought.


except for 18 studies…..that looked at the actual issue….

And almost all 18 are done by the same disgraced economist. There are many studies done by many different people that say carry doesn't affect crime rates.


Nope…you lie, Lott, the leader in the field has done 6, the other 12 by other researchers…you know this and you just lied….and there are 10 who say it doesn't effect the crime rate and 1 that says it does…..I have linked to these studies numerous times, and you always choose to lie…..

Are you including the newest one? I doubt it. So link just the 12 that are not lott.


Try this one....

http://johnrlott.tripod.com/Plassmann_Whitley.pdf

Confirming ìMore Guns, Less Crimeî

Florenz Plassmann* & John Whitley**

Analyzing county-level data for the entire United States from 1977 to 2000, we find annual reductions in murder rates between 1.5% and 2.3% for each additional year that a right-to-carry law is in effect. For the first five years that such a law is in effect, the total benefit from reduced crimes usually ranges between approximately $2 billion and $3 billion per year.

Ayres and Donohue have simply misread their own results. Their own most general specification that breaks down the impact of the law on a year-by- year basis shows large crime-reducing benefits. Virtually none of their claims that their county-level hybrid model implies initial significant increases in crime are correct. Overall, the vast majority of their estimatesóbased on data up to 1997óactually demonstrate that right-to-carry laws produce substantial crime-reducing benefits. We show that their models also do an extremely poor job of predicting the changes in crime rates after 1997.
 
For every gun used to murder someone, almost 37,000 are not.
:dunno:

The US has 10.64 fire-arm related deaths per 100,000 population.

In relation, the United Kingdom has 0.26 fire-arm related deaths per 100,000 population.

Which country has the better idea?

The US.... Which rests upon American Principle.

99.99999999999~% of US firearms are owned by individuals living outside of Socialist Population Centers. And absent US Population Centers, Fire-arm Related Deaths in the US are the lowest on Earth.

There are less people killed by guns in areas of less population. BRILLIANT!


No dipshit....actual gun murder occurs mainly in very small geographic areas in small, multi block areas of inner cities while the rest of the city is peaceful......so no...you are wrong again.
 
For every gun used to murder someone, almost 37,000 are not.
:dunno:

The US has 10.64 fire-arm related deaths per 100,000 population.

In relation, the United Kingdom has 0.26 fire-arm related deaths per 100,000 population.

Which country has the better idea?

The US.... Which rests upon American Principle.

99.99999999999~% of US firearms are owned by individuals living outside of Socialist Population Centers. And absent US Population Centers, Fire-arm Related Deaths in the US are the lowest on Earth.

There are less people killed by guns in areas of less population. BRILLIANT!


No dipshit....here you go....gun murder happens in small areas, usually controlled by democrats...

Blog: Who gets shot in Chicago?

Sooooo...Chicago had an estimated population of 2,718,782....in 2013.....and from this study....

About 70 percent of the killings occurred in what Papachristos found was a social network of only about 1,600 people — out of a population of about 80,000 in those neighborhoods.
So 1600 people out of 2,718,782 commit 70% of all gun crime........in one small area of this city.....let alone who knows about the other gang infested tiny areas......

And the irrational, anti gunners think that guns are the problem.......who are the real nuts....?

The article from the Sun Tims....

New study shows likelihood of being shot in Chicago

The ar
 
For every gun used to murder someone, almost 37,000 are not.
:dunno:

The US has 10.64 fire-arm related deaths per 100,000 population.

In relation, the United Kingdom has 0.26 fire-arm related deaths per 100,000 population.

Which country has the better idea?

The US.... Which rests upon American Principle.

99.99999999999~% of US firearms are owned by individuals living outside of Socialist Population Centers. And absent US Population Centers, Fire-arm Related Deaths in the US are the lowest on Earth.

There are less people killed by guns in areas of less population. BRILLIANT!


No dipshit....here you go....gun murder happens in small areas, usually controlled by democrats...

Blog: Who gets shot in Chicago?

Sooooo...Chicago had an estimated population of 2,718,782....in 2013.....and from this study....

About 70 percent of the killings occurred in what Papachristos found was a social network of only about 1,600 people — out of a population of about 80,000 in those neighborhoods.
So 1600 people out of 2,718,782 commit 70% of all gun crime........in one small area of this city.....let alone who knows about the other gang infested tiny areas......

And the irrational, anti gunners think that guns are the problem.......who are the real nuts....?

The article from the Sun Tims....

New study shows likelihood of being shot in Chicago

The ar


And in Richmond, California....17 criminals were responsible for over 70% of all the shootings......so no, it doesn't matter the population size, there are just a small number of sociopaths breaking the law and shooting at people...
 

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