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    before I get into this i should say that i am pro-gun ownership, and i know many responsible gun owners and recognize the reasons for having firearms in society and agree with them.

    However, there are certain areas and restrictions that do make sense, and the idea that everyone having guns would make things safer is a load of crap.

    Since people are unaware i have spent a number of years at the high end opf the paintball industry. This has caused me to be involved with military and police training, and a lot of different combat training scenarios. I have a vast amount of experience with regular people simulating combat situations. Though it is true that these simulations are not actual life or death combat situations, the people in them react with fear of being hit and the pain involved the same way, and we even noticed that the higher the threat of pain the more the people reacted poorly.

    Your normal; person who has not experienced or been trained to deal with combat situations has a few pretty standard reactions with a gun. One of these reactions is the tendency to blind fire. This is such a problem that a number of paintball fields i know discourage blind fire because even under simulated conditions it causes a dangerous situation. Another point is that rattles people cannot aim worth a fuck. I often joke that if you have someone scared the safest place to be is with the attacker. I have seen enough scared people turn and shoot their best friends that were coming up from a secure area to join them. Putting guns in the hands of these untrained fearful scared people is a terrible idea. This is why I think the ownership of combat guns, not hunting guns, should have extensive training required. Especially if you are going to carry those guns regularly. I have just seen so much dumbass bullshit by regular people with paintball guns to think handing a firearm to a person with no training is not a great idea.

    Armed does not mean you are the police. It seems that way to many people feel that armed means you are the peacekeeper. No one hired gun owners, or trains them to deal with situations. Just for instance look at george zimmerman. Whether you believe he had a right to shoot or not, it is clear he approached the situation all wrong and someone died because of his stupidity. That gun is not a badge, and you are a hinderance to the real authorities because you have one. This is why responsible gun owners are not of the idea they would shoot the attacker dead, but would just want to get away and the gun is a last resort.

    People have to understand most gun owners are very responsible. they are not cowboys or think they are cops when that are not. 99 percent of the people I know who have guns, and I run into a lot more people with guns because of my occupation, are stable good people who you would never know they even have a gun because they don't flaunt it. I agree that some of the wackjobs in the NRA really do gun owners a real disservive with their crazy rhetoric and reckless attitude.

    I do think the purchase of a handgun or assault rifle should involve a lot more training.
     
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    I agree...if you want a concealed carry weapon you must have training....



    Just think of all of the hours of training that criminals go though to carry their guns. Its mind blowing.
     
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    Dummies with guns get caught every day. You don't hear about the screw ups because they really don't make the news unless they are really stupid. the difference is when a criminal screws up and shoots an innocent victim or fucks up things for the police with their bumbling we attribute that to their actions. Again. look at zimmerman. had he done the right thing with his gun we would have never known about him even if a fight occurred. Because he went in there and shot an unarmed person we heard about it. In all honesty i do not think his motives were evil at all. He just wanted to protect his neighborhood, and he was not there to shoot a black kid. If he was a criminal our opinion of him would not change, but because he started off as a person doing good we see where things go wrong.
     
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    If zimmerman was getting his head pummeled by some huge kid who jumped him...and shot back in self defense... he did the right thing.


    The point IS.... criminals don't have training or a license..and they carry guns. Anyone who wants to carry a gun should have the ability to do so with mandatory training to carry a gun. In TX if you want to conceal carry... you have to go to training, pass and be licensed to carry.
     
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    I have always been a supporter of the 2nd Admendment and have owned many guns. These days I do not own a gun. Yet, I still support the ownership. I do, however, believe that if you need a license and a test to drive, the same should be true for owning a gun. Evenmore, I do not believe any longer in the need for individuals to have military style assault rifles. We live in a different world, one where there are many individuals amongst of the like of this Holmes character. It does not take an assault rifle to defend against them, but in their hands they are horrendous.
     
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    I am thinking the training for full carry should involve more than just knowing how to shoot and some rules, it should have some simulated scenarios. Not only would it help, but it would be an experience for the person to use gun combat skills.

    I will tell you flat out, you can count on an inexperienced person to do certain mistakes and I often take advantage of idiots with a gun when i am out playing.
     
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    And you don't think i unaware of this?
     
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    I am sorry, but the reality is that there are a ton of assault weapons out there that you never even know because their owners are not insane. I support a persons right to own them. I also recognize that one bad apple does not spoil the bunch. Whether or not it was legal I would imagine this person would have gotten the guns anyway. He was not going to act responsibly with it, and I don't really consider open gun laws to be the door that allowed this guy to do what he did.

    As I have said in other places this could have had a much different outcome if people had not overlooked what must have been an obvious problem. This guy had an assault rifle, 2 handguns, a shotgun, a bulletproof vest, 2 chemical smoke bombs, and a gas mask. He also had orange hair. Sorry, but this was not a ninja attack.
     
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    You want a gun? Go through 8 weeks basic training. Just like tererun said. Scared people do dumb shit. You to be able to put your hand on your 9 in Denny's while I'm in there, don't show me a piece of paper, go stand in the rain for half an hour and not whine like a bitch.
     
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    It's not all about you, now is it, syrenn? Didn't your mommy tell you to think of others too? :badgrin:
     

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