Skull Pilot
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You forgot
"Controlling lunatics by using guns"
as a poll option.
"Controlling lunatics by using guns"
as a poll option.
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How do you expect to control "lunatics" if you advocate cutting and defunding mental health services... or are you under the impression that all mentally ill people are wealthy? Care to know what percentage of our homeless here in NYC are mentally ill? And we HAVE mental health programs for the poor (fewer than needed, as they are the first things cut), unlike many areas of the country. You want a sink or swim societey? Welcome to reality.
You can't even spell and you want to argue meaningless semantics that have nothing to do with the validity of the points being made?On the Left is a 'Clip' and on the Right is a 'Magazine'.
I have seen 3 people in this thread use the word 'clip' when refering to a 'magazine'. Now that you know the difference please use the correct term for what you are refering to. If you are going to talk about firearms, please learn about them so you can debate intelligently.
On the Left is a 'Clip' and on the Right is a 'Magazine'.
I have seen 3 people in this thread use the word 'clip' when refering to a 'magazine'. Now that you know the difference please use the correct term for what you are refering to. If you are going to talk about firearms, please learn about them so you can debate intelligently.
At least until the end of last year, mental health was not covered well by insurance. I think the limit was either $1,000 or $2,500 per year...which isn't enough to receive treatment. Also, he was an adult and not in school...so did his parent's insurance even cover him?
I'm surprised no one connected the dots of Loughner's drug abuse to his mental state
Smoking marijuana ups risk of schizophrenia: study | Reuters
Could legalizing marijuana increase mass murders or "assassinations" ?
How about drug tests before buying guns or ammo?
How about mandatory drug tests period to stay out of "therapy"?
I'm waiting for Palin to start hammering the Left on Loughner's mental status viz drug use AS VERIFIED BY THE ABOVE STUDY!!
Guns don't kill people, people on drugs kill people!!
I'm not so sure since I don't know the details of their family life.At least until the end of last year, mental health was not covered well by insurance. I think the limit was either $1,000 or $2,500 per year...which isn't enough to receive treatment. Also, he was an adult and not in school...so did his parent's insurance even cover him?
Not sure of the rules in AZ. Here in NJ, kids are covered until 26. But he dropped out of school at 17 after an episode of alcohol poisoning, so certainly they had a clue then. He was nuts at college, so they had a clue then. And even if they had to pay out of pocket, it would have been money well spent. They could afford to support him and he got money somewhere to buy drugs and a gun. The parents bear a great deal of responsibility IMHO.
I'm surprised no one connected the dots of Loughner's drug abuse to his mental state
Smoking marijuana ups risk of schizophrenia: study | Reuters
Could legalizing marijuana increase mass murders or "assassinations" ?
How about drug tests before buying guns or ammo?
How about mandatory drug tests period to stay out of "therapy"?
I'm waiting for Palin to start hammering the Left on Loughner's mental status viz drug use AS VERIFIED BY THE ABOVE STUDY!!
Guns don't kill people, people on drugs kill people!!
That study is flawed.
Wanna know how I know that?
Okay.
The incidient of pot smokers among the population of WWII folks was practically ZERO.
Their the incidence of their children (the boomers) who smoked pot was about 25%.
That's an increase in the rate of many thousands times.
Nevertheless, the incident of schizophrenia is actually DOWN between the boomer generation and the WWII generation.
Now I believe in science and statistics.
But when a study of an extrmely small subset of the whole set refutes the REALITY of the entire set, then the study is flawed.
How was it flawed?
I really don't know.
But if that study was right then the incidence of schizophrenia would have risen many THOUSANDS of times between the WWI and boomer generation.
Schizophrenia can be drug induced or at least a catalyst for initiating the first "psychotic break".
Most times Schizophrenia happens to younger adults as their frontal lobe begins to develop and things go hay wire.
The one take away point in this thread needs to be Treated people who suffer from Mental Illness are no more likely to engage in criminal action that the rest of the population.
Now if we can only break the stigma of Mental illness. When we can start to have fund raisers for Mrs. Smiths kid who developed Schizophrenia in the same open air as we can for cancer patients well be getting somewhere.
And yea untreated mental illness is as deadly as cancer.
While I agree with you that mental health services are extremely important, it didn't help Jared, (or more importantly - his victims) did it? His mother had excellent insurance which I'm sure included mental health services. The "system" was not at fault here. At what point do we hold parents accountable?
Even left untreated I bet the vast majority of mentally ill people do not gun people down.
Perhaps. I am becoming uncomfortable however with this meme of lumping all the mentally ill into Loughner.Sadly, left untreated, the majority commit suicide, especially the ones with severe mental illness like schizoprhenia and bipolar disorder.Even left untreated I bet the vast majority of mentally ill people do not gun people down.