Green Energy failing California despite billions of dollars

[elektra]

Green Energy is a complete failure in California,

After 4 decades of constant building of Green Energy Power Plants, after investing over a 100 billion dollars in Green Energy construction and research.

California does not have electricity to provide for its basic needs.

Rolling Blackouts Hit California Again - ABC News

For the first time since January, rolling blackouts were ordered in California today, turning out the lights in approximately 500,000 homes, including some in Beverly Hills.

Officials at California's Independent System Operator (ISO), which monitors the state's power grid, called a Stage Three alert at midday because of increased temperatures, a higher power demand and a lack of electricity from the Northwest.

Further complicating the situation was the closure of two power plants. One was offline for maintenance and the other was shutdown due to unpaid bills, the officials said.

Yesterday, the ISO ordered Pacific Gas and Electric and Southern California Edison, two of the state's biggest utility companies, to cut a total of 500 megawatts of electricity, enough power for roughly 500,000 homes

Nowhere does this article mention that California has shut down to of the nations largest Nuclear Power Plants. It does say that California must diversify its energy portfolio? It should report that California is shutting down all Energy Production except Green Energy. That is de-diversifying.

"California is just a sign of the what's to come if we don't diversify our energy resources," he said. "The failure to meet this challenge will threaten our nation's economic prosperity, will compromise our national security and literally alter the way we live our lives.

California in the past has bragged how its the 6th largest economy in the world, yet it imports electricity from other states. The third largest economy in the world has a responsibility to its people to be energy independent, and at that, it must provide cheap affordable electricity.

California, Green Energy's failure, today, now.

 

[Old Rocks]

Damn, what a idiotic liar you are, electra. That article is from 2001, and the blackouts were from Bush's buddies at Enron gaming the system. Here is a quote from the article;

Rolling Blackouts Hit California Again - ABC News

Still, natural gas supplies are low, water supplies are down, and heat waves are expected to drive up the demand for power. Californians are bracing for power shortages and rolling blackouts into the summer as the peak demand for power is expected to exceed supplies from May through September.

Today's rolling blackouts came as Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham warned that summer blackouts would not be the end of the California's power problems.

Speaking before the Chamber of Commerce's National Energy Summit in Washington D.C., Abraham said California's energy crisis could affect the nation and last for decades to come. Abraham also defended the Bush administration's desire to tap the natural oil reserve in Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.

"California is just a sign of the what's to come if we don't diversify our energy resources," he said. "The failure to meet this challenge will threaten our nation's economic prosperity, will compromise our national security and literally alter the way we live our lives."

 

[elektra]

Damn Old Crock, what a lousy human being you are.

East Coast freeze triggers voluntary CA electricity cutback | CalWatchDog

February 7, 2014
By Wayne Lusvardi
It’s not just water Californians are being asked to conserve.
Yesterday, California’s Independent System Operator, which regulates the state’s electricity grid, called for a rare voluntary cutback in electricity use from 1 p.m. until 10 p.m
- See more at: East Coast freeze triggers voluntary CA electricity cutback | CalWatchDog

Appeals court rejects natural gas plant on same day as flex alert

So natural gas is coming to the rescue of the power and natural gas grids, while renewable energy cannot be counted on. California has plans to expand the use of stop-and-go renewable power in California to 33 percent by 2030.
Southern California also has had to shift more to reliance on natural gas powered plants after last year’s decision to decommission the San Onofre Nuclear Generating Station. San Onofre produced enough power for 1.4 million people.
Now, by tapping Southern California natural gas supplies for other parts of the U.S., California is more dependent on customers cutting back their electricity and natural gas usage to meet local power demands.
Ironically, the First District Court of Appeals in San Francisco ruled on Feb. 6 to reject a proposed 586-megawatt natural gas power plant in Oakley. Presiding Justice Barbara Jones ruled, “We do not find substantial evidence to support [the Public Utility Commission’s] finding that the Oakley project is needed to meet specific, unique reliability risk.”
- See more at: East Coast freeze triggers voluntary CA electricity cutback | CalWatchDog

1pm in the afternoon and no energy? Seems the Sun is shining bright, Ivanpah is celebrating its being connected to the grid and declared fully operational and dedication ceremony by energy secretary ernest moniz (its not operational),

Old Crock for years has pointed out that Oregon and Washington can supply power Green Energy to California, we have spent over a 100 billion dollars on Wind Turbines, Solar, and Geothermal, yet we do not have the energy to meet our needs, even after slipping into the worst recession to shut down industry in california's history.

Show the success of Green Energy, teachers are walking out of their jobs in Compton because they can not afford food which has risen in price because of California's Green Energy policy.

So go ahead, show us how what I printed is a lie, sure I got the wrong article, 1st google answer, but I googled what I experienced,I live in California, I also heard it on the radio, so I know the story is out there, and I just posted it.

You are a big idiot for pointing out my error, now its corrected.

Those who support Green Energy are just plain old assholes, the truth, facts, and science does not matter.

 

[elektra]

Rolling Blackouts Circular - official website of THE LOS ANGELES POLICE DEPARTMENT

Thu, Mar 13 2014 6:44pm
Rolling Blackouts Circular
The purpose of this circular is to provide information regarding the potential for an electrical blackout in the City of Los Angeles, as a result of the current electrical power crisis.
INTRODUCTION

In recent months, the State of California has been experiencing an electrical power shortage. This is due, in part, to the high levels of demand in recent months and the lack of supply available from power companies. Although, the power shortages experienced in the past few months have resulted in rolling blackouts in several cities throughout Southern California, the likelihood of an electrical blackout in the City of Los Angeles stemming from the power shortage is extremely unlikely.

 

[elektra]

Spending 2.2 billion dollars of the public money did not stop this winters blackouts. Energy Secretary Moniz lies to the American public, as Moniz dedicated Ivanpah, it was shut down, non operational.

Energy Secretary Moniz dedicates Ivanpah solar plant | SiliconBeat

On Thursday, Energy Secretary Ernest Moniz was on hand to dedicate the Ivanpah Solar Energy Generating System, currently the world’s largest CSP, or concentrating solar power plant.

Ivanpah is Oakland-based BrightSource Energy’s flagship project and the dedication is a huge milestone for the privately held company, which shelved its plan for an IPO and is increasingly looking abroad for its project pipeline. It’s also a clean tech bright spot for the Department of Energy, since the project was the recipient of a $1.6 billion loan guarantee from the Department of Energy’s Loan Programs Office.

“The Ivanpah project is a shining example of how America is becoming a world leader in solar energy,” said Secretary Moniz in a prepared statement. “As the President made clear in the State of the Union, we must continue to move toward a cleaner energy economy, and this project shows that building a clean energy economy creates jobs, curbs greenhouse gas emissions, and fosters American innovation.

 

[elektra]

Here is another story, which is a complete lie

Ivanpah: The Hoover Dam of Solar Power - Electric Light & Power

Ivanpah: The Hoover Dam of Solar Power
02/20/2014
By Jeff Postelwait

About four years after its groundbreaking and after the installation of 173,000 mirrored heliostats, the world's largest concentrating solar energy project went online this month near the California-Nevada border.

 

[elektra]

Is Ivanpah Online? | CleanTechnica

Is Ivanpah Online?

In previous days, publications including Think Progress had put out big headlines stating that Ivanpah, the world’s largest solar plant, had finally come online. But digging a little deeper into data from the California Independent System Operator (California ISO) shows that this is an overstatement at best, and misses the complex commissioning process that the plant has undergone. It turns out that the big jump in power on February 5th was mostly solar PV, and as I write this, Ivanpah’s three units are still not producing full power for the grid.
Read more at Is Ivanpah Online? | CleanTechnica

January ISO data shows practically no CSP output during nearly all days in January 2014, meaning that neither SEGS nor Ivanpah were what we would call operational.
Read more at Is Ivanpah Online? | CleanTechnica

 

[elektra]

Damn, what a idiotic liar you are, electra. That article is from 2001, and the blackouts were from Bush's buddies at Enron gaming the system. Here is a quote from the article;

Rolling Blackouts Hit California Again - ABC News

Still, natural gas supplies are low, water supplies are down, and heat waves are expected to drive up the demand for power. Californians are bracing for power shortages and rolling blackouts into the summer as the peak demand for power is expected to exceed supplies from May through September.

Today's rolling blackouts came as Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham warned that summer blackouts would not be the end of the California's power problems.

Speaking before the Chamber of Commerce's National Energy Summit in Washington D.C., Abraham said California's energy crisis could affect the nation and last for decades to come. Abraham also defended the Bush administration's desire to tap the natural oil reserve in Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.

"California is just a sign of the what's to come if we don't diversify our energy resources," he said. "The failure to meet this challenge will threaten our nation's economic prosperity, will compromise our national security and literally alter the way we live our lives."

Are you really this dumb, are saying we had zero Green Energy in California in 2001? California had spent billions on Green Energy even back then, and before.

Blame Bush? Not the Californian Politicians who shut down Ranch Seca and SONGS Unit 1 (nuclear) before the blackouts in 2001?

 

[Old Rocks]

Now elektra, you posted an article from 2001 and tried to pass it off as what is happening today. You are a fraud and a liar. No other way to put it. You had to know that it was fraudulent when you posted it, for it named Bush's Secretary of Energy in the last paragraphs.

You try those kinds of tactics here, and I will call them for what they are.

 

[elektra]

Now elektra, you posted an article from 2001 and tried to pass it off as what is happening today. You are a fraud and a liar. No other way to put it. You had to know that it was fraudulent when you posted it, for it named Bush's Secretary of Energy in the last paragraphs.

You try those kinds of tactics here, and I will call them for what they are.

I stand by that post, it is solid, Green Energy failed back then, and is failing now after another 100 Billion Dollars has been spent.

I stated in my post;

After 4 decades of constant building of Green Energy Power Plants

Old Crock, it is the year 2014, 4 decades is 40 years, that takes us back to 1974, the article is relevant to the fact that Green Energy is a Failure, even back in 2001 when we were in critical need of Energy to pump water in California.

 

[elektra]

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[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Duh

 

[Old Rocks]

Water usage at Ivanpah.

With California struggling through one of the worst droughts on record, and Ivanpah already being located in a high desert climate, water conservation has been a major focus. Solar thermal plants use solar mirrors to heat water in boilers that in turn produce steam to turn the electricity generating turbines, are more water intensive than more common solar photovoltaic panels.

“Ivanpah is utilizing dry-cooling technology that dramatically reduces water usage,” Moniz said. “In fact, this entire facility will use roughly the same amount of water as two holes at the nearby golf course.”

The electricity generated at Ivanpah will be enough to power more than 100,000 homes, and is expected to avoid more than 13.5 million tons of carbon dioxide over its 30-year lifetime, or the equivalent of taking over two million cars off the road. Last year, utility-scale solar installed a record 2.3 gigawatts.


Read more at The Ivanpah Solar Power Plant Uses Relatively Little Water

 

[Old Rocks]

4 reasons the Ivanpah plant is not the future of solar | GreenBiz.com

3. Price competition
Although Ivanpah's power supply contracts are confidential, California Public Utilities Commission (CPUC) documents show that the contract price is "at or below" 12.5 cents per kilowatt-hour before time-of-day adjustments.

An Ivanpah tower (Credit: BusinessWire)
While BrightSource probably was cheaper than utility-scale PV projects when the contracts were signed in 2008, this is no longer the case.
According to the DOE, the average price for utility-scale PV dropped from about 21 cents per kilowatt-hour in 2008 to 11 cents per kilowatt-hour in 2013. Some contracted prices for large-scale PV have fallen below 7 cents, according to a recent report by Bloomberg New Energy Finance.
Medium-sized PV projects in California today also are hitting lower prices than Ivanpah. For example, the CPUC in 2013 approved 23 separate PV projects up to 20 megawatts in capacity each at a weighted average price below 8 cents per kilowatt-hour, after time-of-delivery adjustments.

 

[DriftingSand]

Another progressive brainchild is failing? Surely you jest!!! Surprise, surprise.

 

[Old Rocks]

Powering California with 50% Renewable Energy by 2030: New Analysis Shows It Can Be Done - The Equation

Last week, a new analysis was released that explored the technical, environmental, and economic implications of raising California’s Renewables Portfolio Standard (RPS) from 33 percent by 2020 to 50 percent by 2030. I’m excited to report that although the study illuminates the challenges of installing unprecedented amounts of renewables on the grid, it is technically possible. Moreover, California has tools in hand today to scale up renewables, and is developing programs and policies that will continue to lower the cost and technical challenges of doing so.

The study was led by a private consulting firm — Energy and Environmental Economics, Inc. (E3) — and commissioned by the state’s five largest electric utilities. E3 modeled a 33 percent by 2030 RPS and compared those results to a 40 percent RPS and several 50 percent RPS cases that varied primarily by the amount and size of photovoltaic (PV) investments.

The most pervasive reliability challenge was “over-generation” on the system, which happens when renewables are going gangbusters but we don’t have the electricity demand or export capability to put all those green electrons to use. Not surprisingly, these situations were much more acute in the 50 percent RPS scenarios compared to the 40 percent case.

Choosing to prevent this “extra” renewable energy from entering the grid is a technique that grid operators can use today, so E3 handled over-generation in its model by simply curtailing renewables when the system had too much. But curtailment is a blunt tool, and it might not be the most cost-effective way to deal with these issues in the long run. The study authors acknowledge this point, and identify additional strategies that California is already working on to address renewable integration:

 

[Old Rocks]

Another progressive brainchild is failing? Surely you jest!!! Surprise, surprise.

Both wind and solar have been growing by double digits in the US. You call that failure? Does your bank account do that well?

http://www.seia.org/research-resources/solar-industry-data

U.S. PV Market Installs 4,751 Megawatts in 2013; Largest Year On Record
2013 was another record year for the U.S. solar industry. There were 4,751 MW of new photovoltaic (PV) capacity installed in 2013, representing a 41 percent increase in deployment over installation levels in 2012. Solar accounted for 29 percent of all new electricity generation capacity added in 2013, up from just 10 percent in 2012, which made solar the second largest source of new electricity generating capacity behind natural gas. The record year was driven in part by historical growth in the fourth quarter, as 2,106 MW came online in Q4 alone. (All data from SEIA/GTM Research “U.S. Solar Market Insight: 2013 Year in Review” unless otherwise noted.)

Stakeholder Engagement and Outreach: U.S. Installed Wind Capacity

 

[elektra]

Another progressive brainchild is failing? Surely you jest!!! Surprise, surprise.

Both wind and solar have been growing by double digits in the US. You call that failure? Does your bank account do that well?

http://www.seia.org/research-resources/solar-industry-data

U.S. PV Market Installs 4,751 Megawatts in 2013; Largest Year On Record
2013 was another record year for the U.S. solar industry. There were 4,751 MW of new photovoltaic (PV) capacity installed in 2013, representing a 41 percent increase in deployment over installation levels in 2012. Solar accounted for 29 percent of all new electricity generation capacity added in 2013, up from just 10 percent in 2012, which made solar the second largest source of new electricity generating capacity behind natural gas. The record year was driven in part by historical growth in the fourth quarter, as 2,106 MW came online in Q4 alone. (All data from SEIA/GTM Research “U.S. Solar Market Insight: 2013 Year in Review” unless otherwise noted.)

Stakeholder Engagement and Outreach: U.S. Installed Wind Capacity

Show us the total cost. Without the dollar amount attached you simply prove green energy fails.

At what cost.

 

[elektra]

Another progressive brainchild is failing? Surely you jest!!! Surprise, surprise.

Both wind and solar have been growing by double digits in the US. You call that failure? Does your bank account do that well?

Solar Industry Data | SEIA

U.S. PV Market Installs 4,751 Megawatts in 2013; Largest Year On Record
2013 was another record year for the U.S. solar industry. There were 4,751 MW of new photovoltaic (PV) capacity installed in 2013, representing a 41 percent increase in deployment over installation levels in 2012. Solar accounted for 29 percent of all new electricity generation capacity added in 2013, up from just 10 percent in 2012, which made solar the second largest source of new electricity generating capacity behind natural gas. The record year was driven in part by historical growth in the fourth quarter, as 2,106 MW came online in Q4 alone. (All data from SEIA/GTM Research “U.S. Solar Market Insight: 2013 Year in Review” unless otherwise noted.)

Stakeholder Engagement and Outreach: U.S. Installed Wind Capacity

Show us the total cost. Without the dollar amount attached you simply prove green energy fails.

At what cost.