Greece Is An Example of the Failures of Socialism

[2aguy]

Here is some very sound advice....

'I'm sure we can pull together, sir.'
Lord Vetinari raised his eyebrows. 'Oh, I do hope not, I really do hope not. Pulling together is the aim of despotism and tyranny. Free men pull in all kinds of directions.' He smiled. 'It's the only way to make progress. That and, of course, moving with the times.'

 

[francoHFW]

If only we can be more like France !!!!

For the people!

Damn straight. Too bad you know nothing bout France either. #1 Quality of life. Strong family farms and health, traditional good foods, #1health care, day care, intelligent military spending and foreign policy, cheap college, great roads and infrastructure, #1in tourism, plenty of rich people, hater dupe. And no I'm not moving there. I'm American and wish you would learn SOMETHING, ugly American hater dupe, and YOU CAN'T move there lol. They were right EVERY time your shyttehead GOPers wrecked the world, too. MORON!! lol

Franco stands for francophile. ie, there were 28 French ships keeping the Brit fleet away at Yorktown, and more French troops than American - and it's the French who are ungrateful. morons

And the NUANCE, CULTURE and SOPHISTICATION !!!
Viva Le revolucion !!!!!!!!

ANYTHING but stupid talking points and insults? FOCUS! lol. I will say all French are taught to respect history, knowledge, and intelligence in HS. You seem to be stuck on Parisian fashion elites lol. feq em! lol

 

[LogikAndReazon]

Proletariat Arise !

Dont allow the Rich to Profit at your expense.... Claim what is rightfully yours, you earned it !

Anarchy Guy Fawkes Wastrels !!!!!

 

[dcraelin]

The Greeks are about a find out a very hard lesson about Socialism. Eventually you run out of other people's money.

The Greek government has ordered a mandatory transfer of cash reserves from state-owned enterprises to its central bank, in a desperate bid to gather enough cash to remain solvent.

Citing "extremely urgent and unforeseen needs”, the government issued the emergency decree which will apply to all local government bodies immediately.

Greece orders raid on government coffers as cash dwindles - Telegraph

you have got to be kidding................they've been in power for a few months............check your history and see who ran Greece into the ground...........a right wing coalition.......which as I remember reading, borrowed like there was no tomorrow and hid that fact with the help of Goldman Sachs or some other big Wall Street bank.

 

[hipeter924]

Greece imploded for multiple reasons including:
- Governments covering up financial woes, and creating state jobs to cover up unemployment.
- Rampant tax evasion by the middle class and above - that continues today.
- Running state programs in the red, and ignoring the obvious warning signs that the government had no financial means to guarantee their survival.
- Recession hitting the finance sector and causing a downward economic spiral in Greece, that exposed the flaws in the Greek economy to investors.

So is it 'socialism' or just a society that refused to pay for the government services they demanded, and now face the consequences?

 

[francoHFW]

Greece imploded for multiple reasons including:
- Governments covering up financial woes, and creating state jobs to cover up unemployment.
- Rampant tax evasion by the middle class and above - that continues today.
- Running state programs in the red, and ignoring the obvious warning signs that the government had no financial means to guarantee their survival.
- Recession hitting the finance sector and causing a downward economic spiral in Greece, that exposed the flaws in the Greek economy to investors.

So is it 'socialism' or just a society that refused to pay for the government services they demanded, and now face the consequences?

And MAINLY going along with BOOOSHIE corrupt lending practices and World Depression bubble, Pub dupe.

 

[MACAULAY]

Greece imploded for multiple reasons including:
- Governments covering up financial woes, and creating state jobs to cover up unemployment.
- Rampant tax evasion by the middle class and above - that continues today.
- Running state programs in the red, and ignoring the obvious warning signs that the government had no financial means to guarantee their survival.
- Recession hitting the finance sector and causing a downward economic spiral in Greece, that exposed the flaws in the Greek economy to investors.

So is it 'socialism' or just a society that refused to pay for the government services they demanded, and now face the consequences?

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It is very clearly Socialism and Greek Socialists are now facing the consequences.

 

[LogikAndReazon]

For leftist critical thinkers...

Bush bankrupted Greece !!! Lol

 

[francoHFW]

For leftist critical thinkers...

Bush bankrupted Greece !!! Lol

Also the EU, ME, and the rest of the world, dumbass Foxbot or whatever branch of the Pub Propaganda Machine.

 

[francoHFW]

Thanks for 9/11 and the stupidest wars ever, too, dingbat.

 

[LogikAndReazon]

Bush bankrupted the World ! The Galaxy ! The Universe! The Solar System !

If only there had been more Regulators!

 

[francoHFW]

Bush bankrupted the World ! The Galaxy ! The Universe! The Solar System !

If only there had been more Regulators!

It wasn't the number it was their bs corrupt ideology/cronyism. See also Gulf oil spill, FBI seminars, gun walking etc etc etc...IDIOT.

 

[LogikAndReazon]

It was PNAC and the NewWorld Order !

 

[dcraelin]

Bush bankrupted the World ! The Galaxy ! The Universe! The Solar System !

If only there had been more Regulators!

no, but it was rt wingers in his mold...........in March 2004 PASOK [center left] was defeated by New Democracy [center-right] That government called early elections in September 2007 (normally, elections would have been held in March 2008), and New Democracy again was the majority party in the Parliament. only in 2009 when PASOK again took power was the massive borrowing revealed.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Einstein said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results each time

socialism has failed each and every time it has ever been tried.

Articles Socialism s Downfall

Over 100 times and at the cost of over 100,000,000 (ONE HUNDRED MILLION) murdered human beings.

(now watch, some dimocrap scumbag will come back and say: "Liar!! communism only murdered 94,000,000 people" [which is true, but I like to round things up])

dimocraps are the scum of the earth

Show me how workers owning the means of production does this, and I don't want to talk about the history of communism in this thread, but equating Mao Zedongs famine to socialism is hilarious.

The thing is the workers own NOTHING. The central government may claim the people have control, but it is in name only.
The fact is that in socialism there is always the existence of an elite ruling government class which dispenses central planning. Planning which always includes in one way or another, authoritarian control of the population

Democratic socialism? I have yet to see it truly done. Yeah, I agree, the people legitimately need control, which is why we need the workers holding the political power

And of course all will be equal....except for the guys in charge of distributing the goodies of the society....they will be a little more equal......We learned that lesson in Junior High reading Animal Farm.....liberals never ever learn it.......

Oh, animal farm.. Hilarious. In regards to equality, socialism simply calls for collective ownership of production.

Yeah well that is NOT going to happen here in the US..EVER.
So you can just forget about it.
BTW, thanks for admitting you do not support equality, but do indeed support equality of outcome.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Higher Taxes !!!

For the Common Good Comrades. !

Higher taxes on the bloated mega rich and giant corps only, who pay less %wise than the poorest people, dingbat dupe.

The op is anti-civilization...Governments have been paving roads, funding science and educating their children for thousands of year. Your idea of private everything is the stupidest thing imaginable.

Actually this argument is.

The federal government has not paved many roads....local government does that. They do it by hiring local contractors.

I mean, can we become any more silly in these arguments ?

And most of the funding comes from the feds, or used to lol. Did you notice how high state and local taxes and FEES (which KILL the nonrich) have been getting in the 30 years of Reaganist fed income tax cuts, dingbat dupe?

This isn't an argument. It's blather.

When you want to present an argument, I'll be interested to hear what you have to say.

Otherwise you appear to be nothing but a lapdog for your handlers.

 

[Marxist]

Show me how workers owning the means of production does this, and I don't want to talk about the history of communism in this thread, but equating Mao Zedongs famine to socialism is hilarious.

The thing is the workers own NOTHING. The central government may claim the people have control, but it is in name only.
The fact is that in socialism there is always the existence of an elite ruling government class which dispenses central planning. Planning which always includes in one way or another, authoritarian control of the population

Democratic socialism? I have yet to see it truly done. Yeah, I agree, the people legitimately need control, which is why we need the workers holding the political power

And of course all will be equal....except for the guys in charge of distributing the goodies of the society....they will be a little more equal......We learned that lesson in Junior High reading Animal Farm.....liberals never ever learn it.......

Oh, animal farm.. Hilarious. In regards to equality, socialism simply calls for collective ownership of production.

Yeah well that is NOT going to happen here in the US..EVER.
So you can just forget about it.
BTW, thanks for admitting you do not support equality, but do indeed support equality of outcome.

I don't support equality? I'm speaking specifically about what socialism is

 

[francoHFW]

Higher Taxes !!!

For the Common Good Comrades. !

Higher taxes on the bloated mega rich and giant corps only, who pay less %wise than the poorest people, dingbat dupe.

The op is anti-civilization...Governments have been paving roads, funding science and educating their children for thousands of year. Your idea of private everything is the stupidest thing imaginable.

Actually this argument is.

The federal government has not paved many roads....local government does that. They do it by hiring local contractors.

I mean, can we become any more silly in these arguments ?

And most of the funding comes from the feds, or used to lol. Did you notice how high state and local taxes and FEES (which KILL the nonrich) have been getting in the 30 years of Reaganist fed income tax cuts, dingbat dupe?

This isn't an argument. It's blather.

When you want to present an argument, I'll be interested to hear what you have to say.

Otherwise you appear to be nothing but a lapdog for your handlers.

So you don't like facts, just Pub propaganda? Gotcha. Fact is, counting ALL taxes and fees, the poorest pay 20% of their income, the top 60% all pay around 28%. And our roads and bridges, ports etc etc suq, after 30 years of Reaganist bs. See sig.

 

[francoHFW]

We already have socialism here- social democracy. Ours just panders to the megarich totally after 30 years of Reaganism. RW idiocy, for greedy a-holes and dupes only.

 

[LogikAndReazon]

Sad way to live, actually believing someone else owes you...

Pathetic Really..... Lol