Greatest Playoff Record by QB

[rightwinger]

Brady was a tale of 2 careers… his early years, during his first 3 SB’s, he was not an elite QB by any measure, but his greatest strength was ball control and not making mistakes while helming an above-average offense with an elite defense. As a Peyton Manning supporter, it was always frustrating to hear people even then try to say Brady was “better” because he had 3 rings. Rings are a team accolade, and Brady had far better defenses while putting up less numbers than Manning, but the team had success based on factors outside of a QBs control. Manning was (and is IMO) the more dangerous QB. If Peyton consistently had top 10 defenses like Brady did throughout his career, he’d have far more rings IMO.

No question, Peyton Manning was more skilled than Brady.

I was always a Manning fan but came out disappointed. The Colts had a better team, a better record, played playoff games at home and were favored to win……but still didn’t win Championships.

I rarely saw Peyton Manning take the team under his wing and get a fourth quarter victory. He tended to come up short.

Brady always seemed to do enough to win and get that Adam Viniteri Field Goal at the last minute.

 

[Couchpotato]

Tell that to Drew Brees.

Short, average mobility, relatively weak arm, HOF.

Vince Young:
Tall, athletic, cannon arm.. failed out of the league

Drew Brees didnt have a weak arm, and he wasnt slow compared to Bart Starr, his mobility was average for his era, not in comparison to the 1950-60's. Also Brees was the exception not the rule. For every undersized QB who made it I can name 100 who didnt.


Vince Young was never a NFL level QB. His problem was that he was so big and athletic he never had to learn how to actually play the position. He was just bigger, and more athletic than 90% of the players he faced through and including in college.

In half of Bart Starr's seasons he had more INT's than TD's. BTW Starr and Young's career completion rate is the same, and their passer rating is only a couple points different both almost 20 points behind Brady.




So is Vince Young an all time great?

 

[rightwinger]

In half of Bart Starr's seasons he had more INT's than TD's.

In all fairness, that was common in QBs of that era.
Doesn‘t mean they sucked, but that the offensive scheme was so different.

Run on first down, run on second down, pass on third and long.
You are not going to get a good passer rating that way and you will throw more interceptions.
Passing TDS were also lower because they tried to pound the ball in when in the red zone

Todays game is pass, pass, pass with defenders not allowed to touch the receiver past five yards

 

[Ralph Norton]

I think a ranked HS team today would beat an NFL team from the 50s and 60s

Nonsense.
Bronko Nagurski or anyone of his contemporaries would send any HS boy back crying to his mama.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

In all fairness, that was common in QBs of that era.
Doesn‘t mean they sucked, but that the offensive scheme was so different.

Run on first down, run on second down, pass on third and long.
You are not going to get a good passer rating that way and you will throw more interceptions.
Passing TDS were also lower because they tried to pound the ball in when in the red zone

Todays game is pass, pass, pass with defenders not allowed to touch the receiver past five yards

Context… it’s a beautiful thing. Good post

 

[rightwinger]

Nonsense.
Bronko Nagurski or anyone of his contemporaries would send any HS boy back crying to his mama.

Different game in the 30’s
They would have a hard time matching todays HS players in size, strength, speed and athletic ability

The game then was ground and pound.

 

[Couchpotato]

In all fairness, that was common in QBs of that era.
Doesn‘t mean they sucked, but that the offensive scheme was so different.

Run on first down, run on second down, pass on third and long.
You are not going to get a good passer rating that way and you will throw more interceptions.
Passing TDS were also lower because they tried to pound the ball in when in the red zone

Todays game is pass, pass, pass with defenders not allowed to touch the receiver past five yards

You are correct, However, Im not the one who brought up completion percentage and passer rating as some indication that Starr was an all time great. That was Blaster and Mr. Friscus So it is what it is. And there's no indication that Starr would have been any better than he was. In fact because the game has changed I would argue that the QB's of the past would struggle more today than the film/stats would indicate as teams in that era were looking for something different than teams in this one with regard to the QB. Teams in the 50-60s were looking for a game manager which is what Starr was. A good game manager who happened to play on a great team against little competition, but a game manager nonetheless.

Context… it’s a beautiful thing. Good post

 

[Blaster]

You are correct, However, Im not the one who brought up completion percentage and passer rating as some indication that Starr was an all time great. That was Blaster and Mr. Friscus So it is what it is. And there's no indication that Starr would have been any better than he was. In fact because the game has changed I would argue that the QB's of the past would struggle more today than the film/stats would indicate as teams in that era were looking for something different than teams in this one with regard to the QB. Teams in the 50-60s were looking for a game manager which is what Starr was. A good game manager who happened to play on a great team against little competition, but a game manager nonetheless.

Nonsense.

 

[Couchpotato]

Nonsense.

Great argument. Youve convinced me.

 

[Blaster]

Great argument. Youve convinced me.

I get tired of people like you that pretend to know who is a great QB.

 

[Couchpotato]

I get tired of people like you that pretend to know who is a great QB.

Well provide some sort of argument other than "because I said" maybe.

 

[Blaster]

Well provide some sort of argument other than "because I said" maybe.

I have already expressed my opinion on this.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Im not the one who brought up completion percentage and passer rating as some indication that Starr was an all time great. That was Blaster and Mr. Friscus

For the record, I never mentioned either

 

[Blaster]

For the record, I never mentioned either

That doesn't matter to him. I think he just wants to argue.

 

[Couchpotato]

That doesn't matter to him. I think he just wants to argue.

Is Bart Starr's career completion percentage and passer rating better, worse or the same as Vince Young's?

 

[Blaster]

Is Bart Starr's career completion percentage and passer rating better, worse or the same as Vince Young's?

 

[Couchpotato]

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Look you got called on your bull shit. Deal with it.

 

[Couchpotato]

For the record, I never mentioned either

True but you brought up Young. Who's career numbers are comparable to Starr's.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

True but you brought up Young. Who's career numbers are comparable to Starr's.

Different eras, as right winger pointed out. If you don’t understand this.. you can’t debate this stuff

 

[Couchpotato]

Different eras, as right winger pointed out. If you don’t understand this.. you can’t debate this stuff

Look I’m not saying Bart Starr is Vince Young. Is it your contention that if you put Young on those Packers teams they dont win those titles though? Because they probably do.

To your point though. It is different eras. Starr‘s era didn’t feature the QB. They weren’t the most important position on the field. Not even close to the most important. Which is why I place less importance on them than modern QBs.