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no ---you can't just attack someone for walking inshe didn't break in, did she?It may not be negligent. He may have attacked her for all we know, and she felt she had to defend herself. Let the court decide.Negligent homicide fer shure. Is that an offence in the US?
You can't break into someones apartment then claim self defense if you are attacked. If you have no legal right to be there you can't use that as a defense to use deadly force.
you can't just attack someone that walks into your apartment
you CAN claim self defense if the circumstances warrants it
Yes, you absolutely can attack someone who "just walks in" to your apartment. That's called home invasion. And unless she had a key, she broke in. She didn't have to kick down the door for it to be burglarly. Just like you don't have to break a window to break into a car. If you pull the door handle and it opens, that's a felony.
May I Shoot an Intruder? - FindLaw
You don't have to ask them their intentions. They walk in you can shoot them dead. No questions asked. Whether or not your front door was open or not makes no difference. It's called the castle doctrine, look it up.
etc etc etc(use of deadly force is considered a last resort);
Americas gun laws should be on trial alongside this girl.I'm not holding out much hope.
Grand jury hears evidence in Dallas police officer shooting of black neighbor
Nov. 26, 2018 / 10:58 AM PST
By Associated Press
DALLAS — A grand jury has started hearing evidence in the case of a former Dallas police officer who fatally shot her unarmed black neighbor in his own apartment after she said she mistook it for hers.
Amber Guyger in booking photo from Sept. 10, 2018.Kaufman County Jail / via AFP - Getty Images
Daryl Washington, an attorney for the family of the slain man, said the grand jury began hearing the case Monday. Amber Guyger was arrested on a manslaughter charge after the Sept. 6 shooting of Botham Jean, a 26-year-old native of St. Lucia.
Guyger, who is white, was later fired from the Dallas Police Department .
The grand jury will hear evidence and decide whether to indict Guyger. It could also decide on a more serious charge.
Jean's family has filed a lawsuit against Guyger and the city of Dallas in the shooting.
and wasn't the door open?she didn't break in, did she?It may not be negligent. He may have attacked her for all we know, and she felt she had to defend herself. Let the court decide.Negligent homicide fer shure. Is that an offence in the US?
She was not invited and she invaded his home. That's breaking in.
You can't break into someones apartment then claim self defense if you are attacked. If you have no legal right to be there you can't use that as a defense to use deadly force.
you can't just attack someone that walks into your apartment
you CAN claim self defense if the circumstances warrants it
Yes, you absolutely can attack someone who "just walks in" to your apartment. That's called home invasion. And unless she had a key, she broke in. She didn't have to kick down the door for it to be burglarly. Just like you don't have to break a window to break into a car. If you pull the door handle and it opens, that's a felony.
May I Shoot an Intruder? - FindLaw
You don't have to ask them their intentions. They walk in you can shoot them dead. No questions asked. Whether or not your front door was open or not makes no difference. It's called the castle doctrine, look it up.
.....this would be a classic case of why you can't attack someone for walking in an apartment --door open and apartments that look the sameshe didn't break in, did she?It may not be negligent. He may have attacked her for all we know, and she felt she had to defend herself. Let the court decide.Negligent homicide fer shure. Is that an offence in the US?
She was not invited and she invaded his home. That's breaking in.
You can't break into someones apartment then claim self defense if you are attacked. If you have no legal right to be there you can't use that as a defense to use deadly force.
you can't just attack someone that walks into your apartment
you CAN claim self defense if the circumstances warrants it
Yes, you absolutely can attack someone who "just walks in" to your apartment. That's called home invasion. And unless she had a key, she broke in. She didn't have to kick down the door for it to be burglarly. Just like you don't have to break a window to break into a car. If you pull the door handle and it opens, that's a felony.
May I Shoot an Intruder? - FindLaw
You don't have to ask them their intentions. They walk in you can shoot them dead. No questions asked. Whether or not your front door was open or not makes no difference. It's called the castle doctrine, look it up.
Sure you can. Depending upon the circumstances their mere presence may be a threat.she didn't break in, did she?You can't break into someones apartment then claim self defense if you are attacked. If you have no legal right to be there you can't use that as a defense to use deadly force.It may not be negligent. He may have attacked her for all we know, and she felt she had to defend herself. Let the court decide.Negligent homicide fer shure. Is that an offence in the US?
you can't just attack someone that walks into your apartment
you CAN claim self defense if the circumstances warrants it
The castle doctrine doesn't even apply in this case because SHE WASN'T IN HER CASTLE. She didn't get shot, she shot the legal homeowner (renter in this case.)
I'm saying that if someone breaks into your home you can shoot them.
Stand-your-ground law - Wikipedia
There is only one state in this nation where you can't shoot a home invader.
make up your mindYes, you absolutely can attack someone who "just walks in" to your apartment.
you are exactly rightSure you can. Depending upon the circumstances their mere presence may be a threat.she didn't break in, did she?You can't break into someones apartment then claim self defense if you are attacked. If you have no legal right to be there you can't use that as a defense to use deadly force.It may not be negligent. He may have attacked her for all we know, and she felt she had to defend herself. Let the court decide.Negligent homicide fer shure. Is that an offence in the US?
you can't just attack someone that walks into your apartment
you CAN claim self defense if the circumstances warrants it
you don't read the FACTS!! please go back and read the linksPlease see post 45.
Walking into a home without permission is breaking in. It's not difficult.
And in Texas they have a very strong stand your ground law. That dude would have had the right to shoot that cop dead.
even a 13 year old needing help?YEP. You don't know who that "some girl" is. And it's not your responsibility to know. Anyone walks into my house without my permission and I do not know them they will be shot.
Period.
you don't read the FACTS!! please go back and read the linksPlease see post 45.
Walking into a home without permission is breaking in. It's not difficult.
And in Texas they have a very strong stand your ground law. That dude would have had the right to shoot that cop dead.
not ALL states are like that
you are playing dumb
NOT a HOME--where there is only ONE occupant of the building
apartments have MANY occupants
you make the mistake of thinking unrealistically/everything is black and white
I expect her to be indicted. I also expect she will be convicted or enter into a plea agreement (most likely). One thing is for certain: this was no accident and involves a lot more than a case of mere human error.
I will explain my position later today. I merely wanted to get on record before the grand jury made its decision.
I'm sorry it took so long for me to get back. Now, let's dispense with the silly notion that this was a simple case of negligence. The evidence proves that Officer Guyger knew she was at Botham Jean's apartment and that she banged on his door screaming for him to let her in. When Jean opened the door dressed in his underwear Guyger shot him. One of the biggest problems with this case is that the woman gave two vastly conflicting accounts of what happened.
According to the first account Jean opened the door when she was attempting to use her key on his lock. When she saw him, she thought he was an intruder and shot him..
“An off-duty Dallas Police Officer, who was wearing a full Dallas Police uniform, was attempting to enter apartment number 1478, with a set of keys. An unknown male, inside the apartment, confronted the officer at the door. A neighbor stated he heard an exchange of words, immediately followed by at least two gunshots.”
However, according to the second account, the door was slighter ajar and opened when she inserted her key in Jean's lock. She saw someone in the shadows (the lights were off) and thought he was a burglar and shot him.
“She told authorities that she “inserted a unique door key, with an electronic chip, into the door key hole. The door, which was slightly ajar prior to Guyger’s arrival, fully opened under the force of the key insertion.”
“Once the door opened, Guyger said the apartment was dark and she thought “she had encountered a burglar, which was described as a large silhouette, across the room in her apartment.”
“Guyger claimed she drew her weapon, “gave verbal commands that were ignored by (Jean),” and then fired two shots. Jean was hit by one of the shots and died from his wound.”
https://www.theroot.com/2-different-versions-of-amber-guyger-s-story-appear-on-1829044816
The following link gives an even more detailed account of Guyger's first story about the door being locked:
“When she arrived home she took an elevator to a floor that was not hers. She then went to what she thought was her door, put the key in and struggled with the lock. Guyger then put down several things she was holding and continued to fight with the key when the resident swung open the door and startled her. Guyger believed Jean, who was wearing only underwear, was an intruder and shot him with her service weapon. It wasn't until police and rescue units began arriving that she realized she was not at her apartment.”
Was The Door Locked Or Unlocked? Dallas Police Officer Who Shot Botham Jean Reportedly Changed Her Story
There are major problems with her first story; however I will address only her second story because that is the one she is apparently sticking with. Her story and that's what it is, a story, a fairy tale, is unbelievable. Let's take a look at the evidence When you do you will discover everything she claims is nothing but unadulterated bovine excrement.
There is one bet of evidence that completely destroys Guyger's contention that she thought she was at her own apartment. Jean always placed a red carpet in front of his door to distinguish his apartment from others (see the links, below).
Botham Jean's family says he did not know or have a relationship with Officer Amber Guyger
guyger and mat in front of door - Google Search:
The red carpet was not the only reason Guyger could not have mistaken Jean's apartment for her own As one might expect, in every apartment building the units are numbered for easy identification. In the case of the apartments in Guyger's building, they were conspicuously numbered. The link below shows “door numbers are clearly visible and lit up in neon, placed to one side” The link also gives a very detailed analysis of the entire case.
Video: EXCLUSIVE: DailyMail.com tests doors at Botham Jean apartments | Daily Mail Online
Guyger also said that the door was ajar and opened when she inserted her key into the lock. However, this particular door slams shut after it is opened to make sure it is secure when the person leaves. The information comes from the link provided above, but in case anyone didn't read the entire link, here is one that deals only with the door:
Video: EXCLUSIVE: DailyMail.com tests doors at Botham Jean apartments | Daily Mail Online
Finally, witnesses testified they heard someone banging on Jean's door and heard a woman screaming, “let me in, let me in.”
“Merritt [Jean's family's attorney] said at a news conference Monday evening that two independent witnesses have told him they heard knocking on the door in the hallway before the shooting.
"He said one witness reported hearing a woman’s voice saying, 'Let me in! Let me in!' Then they heard gunshots, after which one witness said she heard a man’s voice say, 'Oh my God! Why did you do that?'
“Merritt said he believes those were Jean’s last words.”
Attorneys for Botham Jean's family say witnesses heard woman's voice say 'Let me in!' - theGrio
The inescapable fact is that the only way Guyger could have seen Jean is when he opened the door and they were face to face.. She shot him knowing who he was. The only thing I do not know is motive. She may have gone to his apartment to tell him to keep things quite so she would not be disturbed. Guyger had just gotten off a 15-hour shift and needed to get to sleep. In the past, she had made a complaint against Jean for making noise and disturbing her sleep (this information is in the links provided). He may have said something that in very exhausted state put her over the edge.
I doubt that he threatened her in any way as that would have certainly been reported. Further, if he had threatened her, that would have given her a justifiable and believable reason for using deadly force.
CONCLUSION: My analysis of all the available evidence convinces me that Guyger knew she was at Jean's apartment. She is guilty of murder and I expect there will be a plea bargain in this case.
Tragic scenes inside apartment where white cop shot dead black neighbor | Daily Mail Online
wasn't Trayvon Martin standing his ground?you don't read the FACTS!! please go back and read the linksPlease see post 45.
Walking into a home without permission is breaking in. It's not difficult.
And in Texas they have a very strong stand your ground law. That dude would have had the right to shoot that cop dead.
not ALL states are like that
you are playing dumb
NOT a HOME--where there is only ONE occupant of the building
apartments have MANY occupants
you make the mistake of thinking unrealistically/everything is black and white
And I posted a map that shows the ONE STATE in America that you cannot shoot a home invader automatically. But that doesn't mean you can't. All that means is you must retreat if you can. Many apartments don't have a back door and so once they walk into the only door, you can't retreat so you can use deadly force.
If you rent an apartment with many people renting with you then you have to work it out amongst yourselves. But you keep moving the goalposts because you have absolutely no argument.
And yea, if a 13 year old walks into my home, they could easily be carrying a gun. Their age means nothing to me. Only a small child or toddler would stand a chance. When I was 13 I was as good with a gun as I am now. I shot a wren in the eye at 35 yards when I was 10. You think because the kid is 13 I'll treat him like a saint? Um no.
wasn't Trayvon Martin standing his ground?
Zim kept following and following and then got out of his vehicle and went AFTER him??
....so--you see, these laws can be interpreted many ways--that's the point of the Zim-Martin problemwasn't Trayvon Martin standing his ground?
Zim kept following and following and then got out of his vehicle and went AFTER him??
This isn't about Travvy. The courts ruled no he wasn't standing his ground. I'm not rehashing that.
Like I said, you keep moving the goalposts because you have no argument. Rather than admit you're wrong, you keep bouncing around like a ball. This is about a cop who broke into an apartment she had no right to be in and shot the homeowner. Period.
Do you feel that they did this intentionally? To give her an out?Mark my words. She walks because of this, IF the jury is not allowed to find her guilty of a lessor charge. I don't know the facts on that aspect.
she didn't break in, did she?It may not be negligent. He may have attacked her for all we know, and she felt she had to defend herself. Let the court decide.Negligent homicide fer shure. Is that an offence in the US?
She was not invited and she invaded his home. That's breaking in.
You can't break into someones apartment then claim self defense if you are attacked. If you have no legal right to be there you can't use that as a defense to use deadly force.
you can't just attack someone that walks into your apartment
you CAN claim self defense if the circumstances warrants it
Yes, you absolutely can attack someone who "just walks in" to your apartment. That's called home invasion. And unless she had a key, she broke in. She didn't have to kick down the door for it to be burglarly. Just like you don't have to break a window to break into a car. If you pull the door handle and it opens, that's a felony.
May I Shoot an Intruder? - FindLaw
You don't have to ask them their intentions. They walk in you can shoot them dead. No questions asked. Whether or not your front door was open or not makes no difference. It's called the castle doctrine, look it up.
