Government Spending On Health Care In Switzerland

[Dovahkiin]

There is never an excuse for debt...

There is never an excuse for government debt, at any rate.

Then you want to harm the private sector.

government debt harms the private sector.

You literally have no idea what you're talking about.
Think big deficits cause recessions

What do you imagine your graph proves?

When the government stopped spending more then it was taxing, the private sector took on unmanageable levels of debt. Any attempts to cut the debt will lead to a similar outcome.

 

[Campbell]

No, it hasn't. We're nowhere near maximum output, we can spend freely.

You're delusional, the country becoming more and more socialist everyday. Socialism is a society exclusively for Deadbeats, a very contagious disease of choice.

It worked very well to get us out of a Hoover depression. I know.....I was there.

I will also point out that George W. Bush assumed a thriving economy with an unemployment rate of 4.3%, a balanced budget, then immediately cut taxes twice, continued to spend like a drunken sailor, ran up six trillion dollars of new debt and left a recession that if big banks had not been handed $700 billion would have been worse than the 1930's.

Hoover greatly extended the depression with all his public spending. People have to pay for the programs, whatever you put into the public sector comes out of the private sector. obama has put us much deeper in debt with little to no results so your rants are lunacy. Nor have you figured out the role 9/11, Katrina or the housing bust has played. It's amazing how people twist their minds to believe in something.

Well...you just proved your ignorance on the subject. The banks all closed their doors and nothing improved until Franklin Roosevelt's programs began. My Dad worked on the WPA drawing $3.60 a week for 48 hours. The depression actually was not completely over till the 2nd World War started. When the Republicans screw things up they do a fantastic job. Look at what happened beginning with Ronald Reagan:

You keep spamming the board with the same shit and ignoring anything to the contrary. I will defer to my reality more than your cherry picked charts and stats. The country did better under Reagan than his predecessor. Hate is a poor substitute for intellect.

The country did better under Reagan because he went in debt for three trillion dollars. By god you give me three trillion to pass around and even I could look good:

..............................................Total U S Debt................................................

Figures Easily Verified....Taken From the Bureau of the Debt

US: $18,775,084,981,440 - Debt as of December 2015?

09/30/2014 $17,824,071,380,733.82

09/30/2013 $16,738,183,526,697.32

09/30/2012 $16,066,241,407,385.89

09/30/2011 $14,790,340,328,557.15

09/30/2010 $13,561,623,030,891.79

09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accommodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48

09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23

09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50

09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)

09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)

09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62

09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34

09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73

09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39

09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32 (Bill Clinton Raised Taxes On The Rich early 1993)

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38 ( Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66

09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03

09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25

09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32

09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16

09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00

09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42

09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00

09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00

09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)(Reagan Slashed Tax Rates To Pre Depression Levels)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

 

[Rustic]

The money is not the governments to begin with...

 

[Campbell]

The money is not the governments to begin with...

So we just let the poor and invalid suffer and die? The Rich and their supporters make my arsehole crave lime juice. Just curious.....since the Republicans claim the evangelicals what happened here?

Mathew 19:
24"Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

 

[SmokeALib]

The money is not the governments to begin with...

So we just let the poor and invalid suffer and die? The Rich and their supporters make my arsehole crave lime juice. Just curious.....since the Republicans claim the evangelicals what happened here?

Mathew 19:
24"Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

The Quote you are referring to doesn't mandate the rich to take care of the poor, as you wish for. It does impose that man (in this case, the rich) use his own free will to help the poor - lest he not enter the Kingdom of God.
Since you Dims don't believe in God, since you Dims believe in mandating your way to some sort of utopian existence, your post becomes irrelevant.

 

[Rustic]

The money is not the governments to begin with...

So we just let the poor and invalid suffer and die? The Rich and their supporters make my arsehole crave lime juice. Just curious.....since the Republicans claim the evangelicals what happened here?

Mathew 19:
24"Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

The Quote you are referring to doesn't mandate the rich to take care of the poor, as you wish for. It does impose that man (in this case, the rich) use his own free will to help the poor - lest he not enter the Kingdom of God.
Since you Dims don't believe in God, since you Dims believe in mandating your way to some sort of utopian existence, your post becomes irrelevant.

You're taking Mathew 19 out of context... Campbell
The Christian faith is not about doing works, trust and obey is all all that is needed. It's a Bible thing you may not understand...

 

[Claudette]

Government spending on health care in Switzerland is only 2.7 percent of GDP, by far the lowest in the developed world. By contrast, in 2008, U.S. government spending on health care was 7.4 percent of GDP. If the U.S. could move its state health spending to Swiss levels, it would save more than $700 billion a year.

'Course that would deprive insurance companies of massive annual profits...Can't Have That!!

Kinda simple analysis there. They are probably healthier (which isn't a stretch) and probably don't have the litigation industry medical has to support and guard against.

I agree and they have no where near 300 million citizens.

 

[Claudette]

People that are against single payer aren't thinking logically. Taxes would go up slightly, but you'd save money because you would no longer have to make insurance payments. It's stupid to have a middle man raking in billions of dollars when there is a better way.

People who are for single payer aren't thinking logically.

Our Govt. has never done anything cheaply or well.

Our Govt. turns everything into mountains of red tape, paperwork, rules, regulations and long waits.

And some moron thinks they could run healthcare for 300 million citizens??

Excuse me while I stand over here and LMAO.

No way should Govt. run healthcare.

 

[Campbell]

The money is not the governments to begin with...

So we just let the poor and invalid suffer and die? The Rich and their supporters make my arsehole crave lime juice. Just curious.....since the Republicans claim the evangelicals what happened here?

Mathew 19:
24"Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

The Quote you are referring to doesn't mandate the rich to take care of the poor, as you wish for. It does impose that man (in this case, the rich) use his own free will to help the poor - lest he not enter the Kingdom of God.
Since you Dims don't believe in God, since you Dims believe in mandating your way to some sort of utopian existence, your post becomes irrelevant.

You're taking Mathew 19 out of context... Campbell
The Christian faith is not about doing works, trust and obey is all all that is needed. It's a Bible thing you may not understand...

Even his own disciples asked how anyone could make it to heaven. Must have come across pretty plain to them. The bottom line is few will make it:

Matthew 7:
13"Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. 14"For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who will find it.

That might not fit your agenda but it's in the book. Don't get the Christians in heaven and their gated community confused with the ones you're used to. The gated communities here on earth are reservoirs for those who will end up in hell. The golden gates in heaven will hold those who:

Turn the other cheek

Walk the extra mile

Love their neighbors

Love their enemies

Pray for those who curse and despise them

Voluntarily throw in their cloak after they've been sued in court for their coat

Give their riches to the poor

Advice to the rich ruler:
Mark 10:21
"One thing you lack: go and sell all you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me."

Matthew 5:
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect

 

[Contumacious]

Government spending on health care in Switzerland is only 2.7 percent of GDP, by far the lowest in the developed world. By contrast, in 2008, U.S. government spending on health care was 7.4 percent of GDP. If the U.S. could move its state health spending to Swiss levels, it would save more than $700 billion a year.

'Course that would deprive insurance companies of massive annual profits...Can't Have That!!

Repeating


The best health care system is the one provided by the free market place. Which will only occur when government at all levels DEnationalize health care.


" the Swiss system resembles that of Massachusetts and PPACA. The Swiss have an individual mandate. The government defines the minimum benefit package, which has been subject to expansion from special-interest lobbying, and is more comprehensive and less consumer-driven than it could be. The government has enacted Medicare-style price controls for hospital and physician reimbursement. Insurers must charge similar rates to the young and old (“community rating”), must cover pre-existing conditions, and must operate as non-profit entities. Princeton economist Uwe Reinhardt describes Switzerland as “a de facto cartel of insurers and health care practitioners who transact with one another in a tight web of government regulations.”

 

[SmokeALib]

The money is not the governments to begin with...

So we just let the poor and invalid suffer and die? The Rich and their supporters make my arsehole crave lime juice. Just curious.....since the Republicans claim the evangelicals what happened here?

Mathew 19:
24"Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

The Quote you are referring to doesn't mandate the rich to take care of the poor, as you wish for. It does impose that man (in this case, the rich) use his own free will to help the poor - lest he not enter the Kingdom of God.
Since you Dims don't believe in God, since you Dims believe in mandating your way to some sort of utopian existence, your post becomes irrelevant.

You're taking Mathew 19 out of context... Campbell
The Christian faith is not about doing works, trust and obey is all all that is needed. It's a Bible thing you may not understand...

Even his own disciples asked how anyone could make it to heaven. Must have come across pretty plain to them. The bottom line is few will make it:

Matthew 7:
13"Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. 14"For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who will find it.

That might not fit your agenda but it's in the book.

I am not sure of the point you are trying to make here. The passage is correct - there are few who will find it. I'm not going to preach a sermon as what one must do to enter God's Kingdom. As a Democrat, you don't believe a word of it, anyway.

 

[Rustic]

The money is not the governments to begin with...

So we just let the poor and invalid suffer and die? The Rich and their supporters make my arsehole crave lime juice. Just curious.....since the Republicans claim the evangelicals what happened here?

Mathew 19:
24"Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

The Quote you are referring to doesn't mandate the rich to take care of the poor, as you wish for. It does impose that man (in this case, the rich) use his own free will to help the poor - lest he not enter the Kingdom of God.
Since you Dims don't believe in God, since you Dims believe in mandating your way to some sort of utopian existence, your post becomes irrelevant.

You're taking Mathew 19 out of context... Campbell
The Christian faith is not about doing works, trust and obey is all all that is needed. It's a Bible thing you may not understand...

Even his own disciples asked how anyone could make it to heaven. Must have come across pretty plain to them. The bottom line is few will make it:

Matthew 7:
13"Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. 14"For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who will find it.

That might not fit your agenda but it's in the book.

Like I said, it's a Bible thing you obviously don't understand. Works will get you nowhere in the Christian faith.

 

[Campbell]

The money is not the governments to begin with...

So we just let the poor and invalid suffer and die? The Rich and their supporters make my arsehole crave lime juice. Just curious.....since the Republicans claim the evangelicals what happened here?

Mathew 19:
24"Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

The Quote you are referring to doesn't mandate the rich to take care of the poor, as you wish for. It does impose that man (in this case, the rich) use his own free will to help the poor - lest he not enter the Kingdom of God.
Since you Dims don't believe in God, since you Dims believe in mandating your way to some sort of utopian existence, your post becomes irrelevant.

You're taking Mathew 19 out of context... Campbell
The Christian faith is not about doing works, trust and obey is all all that is needed. It's a Bible thing you may not understand...

Even his own disciples asked how anyone could make it to heaven. Must have come across pretty plain to them. The bottom line is few will make it:

Matthew 7:
13"Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. 14"For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who will find it.

That might not fit your agenda but it's in the book.

I am not sure of the point you are trying to make here. The passage is correct - there are few who will find it. I'm not going to preach a sermon as what one must do to enter God's Kingdom. As a Democrat, you don't believe a word of it, anyway.

Yep! I don't believe in ghosts and I'm not superstitious and in order to follow some ancient faith a person has to practice or believe in both. That doesn't keep me from knowing the bible. I had most of the new testament memorized chapter and verse when I was about 25 years old. I repeat, these are my heroes:

"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own--a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotism."
~Dr. Albert Einstein~ (excerpt from his obituary)

"And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with all this artificial scaffolding"
~Thomas Jefferson~ (excerpt from a letter he wrote to John Adams)