‘Government-Run’ Nonsense and other dubious right wing lies shot down

[logical4u]

Every country that has it is desperately trying to save their system from collapse.

You might want to look around, dear. So are we.

We pay more than anyone else and our costs are rising faster. Find me a nation in which more of its GDP is gobbled up by health spending.

Pick anything in this nation, and you will find that we spend more on _______ than any other nation. We have choices in this nation where other nations' gov'ts limit their choices. We choose to spend money on being healthy/looking healthy. We probably spend more for corrective eyes surgery than any other nation (is that because there is something wrong with our system, or because people choose not to wear glasses to correct their vision). We probably spend more on dental care than any other nation (is that because our teeth are worse than other people's or because we can "afford" to spend more money maintaining our smiles, late into life). Why are so many people wanting to have their choices "limited" by the gov't (if the gov't pays, they control the service)?

 

[logical4u]

Medicare?

Medicare is paid by employers and employees, it's run basically like Social Security. I don't consider something you pay for socialized, however when the government gets it paws on the $, it somehow loses it's value and effectiveness.

The fact that the government does something is de facto socialistic, whether you paid for it or not. The point that makes it so, is the fact that you're not limited in your benefits by your contribution, unlike private plans.

I believe that Medicare is the number one rejector of medical care. It limits the amount that it pays to doctors, and more doctors are refusing new medicare patients because it does not pay the cost of caring for patients.

 

[paulitician]

Why would anyone be cheerleading for more Government-Run anything at this point? These people have completely lost it. What's wrong with them? Hasn't Big Government done enough damage to our nation?

 

[hortysir]

Single payer system you fucktards, that would lower costs substantially but the right wingers don't want that

Lower costs for who?
You?

You really think that you won't pay more for goods and services or more in taxes to pay for it?

Lower costs for the patients you dickhead. Right and for a long time the US has had the highest costs of health care in the world, conutries with so called universal health care have cheaper rates.

At the rate of 20-40% income tax rate!!

 

[DiamondDave]

Single payer system you fucktards, that would lower costs substantially but the right wingers don't want that

Lower costs for who?
You?

You really think that you won't pay more for goods and services or more in taxes to pay for it?

Lower costs for the patients you dickhead. Right and for a long time the US has had the highest costs of health care in the world, conutries with so called universal health care have cheaper rates.

And what, pray-tell, does government do now cheaper than other sources?? Do you not see that tax rates of socialist styled countries that offer 'social' health care thru government??

Do you not understand that those who pay less will be subsidized by others... or that the government will have to lower costs by forcing lower salaries for doctors, support staff, etc... which would do what for the medical industry?? You think it would actually draw more doctors? Give incentive for companies to create new drugs or technologies only to be paid less??

Kill yourself and lower your healthcare costs... it may not be good solution for other normal people, but for you it is a feasible option that benefits everyone

 

[paulitician]

Yes lets have more catastrophic Government-Run failures. Just what we need. SHEESH!

 

[konradv]

From your link, Failer:

Your link admits that there is further government control and intervention but conveniently throws out the disclaimer that it's nothing like the systems in Britain or Canada.

Obama himself stated that it's a good start towards that goal.

And how can you not call it gov't-controlled when we have a government agency (IRS) determining who needs to have which plan?

To be fair the UK and Canadian plans aren't equivalent. Britain's is government-run and not popular. Canada's is a single-payer system and very popular.

Okay, I'm only on my second cup of coffee, but what's the diff between govt-run and single-payer?
Wouldn't the gov't be the single payer?

It depends on who's staffing the doctors' offices and hospitals. If they're private with their fees paid by the government, that's single-payer. If the government is doing the staffing, then it's a government-run system. The main difference between us and Canada is that here we have to deal with AND PAY FOR paperwork from hundreds of different entities, instead of just one.

 

[Liability]

‘Government-Run’ Nonsense and other dubious right wing lies shot down.

Fail-always vastly prefers the left wing credible lies.


As muddled as his thinking is and as dumb as he is, Fail-always does latch on to one thing:

Lefties lie so much, they get good at it.

That kind of thing impresses Fail-always.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

You right wing retarded acolytes have not even basic the understanding of how a single payer system will help, not hurt the economy and the consumers, you just go on repeating the same BS that right wing equally retarded bloggers and pundits keep repeating.


The single payer system makes it cheaper and less expensive because it actually would force doctors to compete for those Medicaid and Medicare dollars as opposed to randomly naming whatever price they like, which is normally always high. For example, if the surgery for cataract removal on average costs about $5000 as the market value, different doctors are going to have to compete for that $5000 under the single payer system and will not be able to charge $9000 and $10000 for the same surgery. Under the current system, if a eye cataract surgery costs $5000 on average and some doctors are charging $9000 and $10000 for it, they will pay that $9000 or $10000 and make up that $4000-$5000 difference raising up premiums on the consumer to cover it, and that's not even including premium raises they enact to cover the costs of the uninsured who don't pay. A single payer system eliminates and stops doctors from charging astronomical costs and stops health insurance companies from raising premiums to cover loses.



The Republicans originally wanted the single payer system but abandoned and went against it because they don't want Obama and the Democrats to get credit for doing something that is actually fiscally prudent, that's incredibly dumb on their part.

 

[OODA_Loop]

You right wing retarded acolytes have not even basic the understanding of how a single payer system will help, not hurt the economy and the consumers, you just go on repeating the same BS that right wing equally retarded bloggers and pundits keep repeating.

dont want .gov care

will pay more

thanks

 

[Bass v 2.0]

You right wing retarded acolytes have not even basic the understanding of how a single payer system will help, not hurt the economy and the consumers, you just go on repeating the same BS that right wing equally retarded bloggers and pundits keep repeating.

dont want .gov care

will pay more

thanks

No, you're wrong and stupid and will continue to pay more regardless, the single payer option prevents that, retards like to demonize the government and don't realize how much "government" is already taking are of you.

 

[OODA_Loop]

No, you're wrong and stupid and will continue to pay more regardless, the single payer option prevents that, retards like to demonize the government and don't realize how much "government" is already taking are of you.

yes anyone who doesnt want their health care from the govenrment is wrong, stupid and retarded

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Obamacare is the first step to government-run healthcare.

Unless it's repealed by clear-headed people, it will create more problems than it solves. Those who want socialized medicine will claim the only thing that can save us is government-run healthcare.

This has been the plan all along. It's been quite obvious.

Socialized "medicine", what the fuck is wrong with you? When you were in the military and even now you have Tricare as a retiree, do you call that "socialized medicine?" You dumb fucking right wingers look like sick puppies parroting the bullshit of your pundits, "socialized medicine," what a dick head.

Weren't you leaving, asshole?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Every country that has it is desperately trying to save their system from collapse.

You might want to look around, dear. So are we.

We pay more than anyone else and our costs are rising faster. Find me a nation in which more of its GDP is gobbled up by health spending.

And Obamacare has bent the cost down? Yeah?

 

[daveman]

Obamacare is the first step to government-run healthcare.

Good save.

If that's what helps you avoid the truth, sure.

 

[daveman]

Obamacare is the first step to government-run healthcare.

Unless it's repealed by clear-headed people, it will create more problems than it solves. Those who want socialized medicine will claim the only thing that can save us is government-run healthcare.

This has been the plan all along. It's been quite obvious.

Socialized "medicine", what the fuck is wrong with you? When you were in the military and even now you have Tricare as a retiree, do you call that "socialized medicine?" You dumb fucking right wingers look like sick puppies parroting the bullshit of your pundits, "socialized medicine," what a dick head.

Oh, hush, you incoherent moron.

I earned my Tricare benefits. You want everyone to have the same benefits simply by breathing.

Dumbass.

 

[rdean]

FactCheck.org : ‘Government-Run’ Nonsense




The GOP's dumbass claim of so called "Obamacare" being government run health care gets debunked yet again and again but these piss stains insist on repeating the same claim over and over again.

It's all they have.

 

[daveman]

Obamacare is the first step to government-run healthcare.

Unless it's repealed by clear-headed people, it will create more problems than it solves. Those who want socialized medicine will claim the only thing that can save us is government-run healthcare.

This has been the plan all along. It's been quite obvious.

So now it's changing from "it's a government run program" to "it's the first step to a government run program"?

How about you hold me responsible only for the things I say, hmmm?

 

[daveman]

daveman the dickhead fails to realize that the Tricare he's receiving is the closest thing to so-called "socialized medicine" because Tricare is paid for by the government and administered in government/military hospitals but in keeping in line with parroting right wing shit without researching the facts and realizing his own contradiction he says bullshit like "socialized medicine."

Once again for the learning-impaired leftists (sorry for the redundancy) among us:

Military benefits are earned. Socialized benefits are not.

And no, voting Democrat is not earning them.

 

[daveman]

Obamacare is the first step to government-run healthcare.

Unless it's repealed by clear-headed people, it will create more problems than it solves. Those who want socialized medicine will claim the only thing that can save us is government-run healthcare.

This has been the plan all along. It's been quite obvious.

Are you willing to dump your Tricare? Did you refuse Tricare while you were in the military? Hypocrite.

No hypocrisy. I earned my benefits. What do recipients of Demo vote-buying program benefits do to earn them?

Is the concept of earning things that utterly foreign to you?