‘Government-Run’ Nonsense and other dubious right wing lies shot down

[Flaylo]

Tricare isn'r "socialized" medicine but is closer to "socialized" medicine than so called "Obamacare" is, why all this fucking scare mongering?

 

[Flaylo]

Obamacare is the first step to government-run healthcare.

Unless it's repealed by clear-headed people, it will create more problems than it solves. Those who want socialized medicine will claim the only thing that can save us is government-run healthcare.

This has been the plan all along. It's been quite obvious.

Are you willing to dump your Tricare? Did you refuse Tricare while you were in the military? Hypocrite.

 

[uscitizen]

I have actually refused all VA benefits since I was released from the service.
Did not want anything else to do with them for quite a while.

 

[konradv]

Obamacare is the first step to government-run healthcare.

Unless it's repealed by clear-headed people, it will create more problems than it solves. Those who want socialized medicine will claim the only thing that can save us is government-run healthcare.

This has been the plan all along. It's been quite obvious.

Socialized "medicine", what the fuck is wrong with you? When you were in the military and even now you have Tricare as a retiree, do you call that "socialized medicine?" You dumb fucking right wingers look like sick puppies parroting the bullshit of your pundits, "socialized medicine," what a dick head.

A rose is a rose, no matter what you call it. Socialized medicine is socialized medicine, no matter what you call it.

Medicare?

 

[naturegirl]

Socialized "medicine", what the fuck is wrong with you? When you were in the military and even now you have Tricare as a retiree, do you call that "socialized medicine?" You dumb fucking right wingers look like sick puppies parroting the bullshit of your pundits, "socialized medicine," what a dick head.

A rose is a rose, no matter what you call it. Socialized medicine is socialized medicine, no matter what you call it.

Medicare?

Medicare is paid by employers and employees, it's run basically like Social Security. I don't consider something you pay for socialized, however when the government gets it paws on the $, it somehow loses it's value and effectiveness.

 

[konradv]

A rose is a rose, no matter what you call it. Socialized medicine is socialized medicine, no matter what you call it.

Medicare?

Medicare is paid by employers and employees, it's run basically like Social Security. I don't consider something you pay for socialized, however when the government gets it paws on the $, it somehow loses it's value and effectiveness.

The fact that the government does something is de facto socialistic, whether you paid for it or not. The point that makes it so, is the fact that you're not limited in your benefits by your contribution, unlike private plans.

 

[hortysir]

The claim from the right wing dumbasses was that the current health care law is government run health care. which was a lie.

From your link, Failer:

The new law does expand existing programs, and it establishes new subsidies and imposes additional regulation of health insurance companies. But it doesn’t come close to establishing a government-run system like those of Britain or Canada.

Your link admits that there is further government control and intervention but conveniently throws out the disclaimer that it's nothing like the systems in Britain or Canada.

Obama himself stated that it's a good start towards that goal.

And how can you not call it gov't-controlled when we have a government agency (IRS) determining who needs to have which plan?



Appropriate name; Failer

 

[konradv]

The claim from the right wing dumbasses was that the current health care law is government run health care. which was a lie.

From your link, Failer:

The new law does expand existing programs, and it establishes new subsidies and imposes additional regulation of health insurance companies. But it doesn’t come close to establishing a government-run system like those of Britain or Canada.

Your link admits that there is further government control and intervention but conveniently throws out the disclaimer that it's nothing like the systems in Britain or Canada.

Obama himself stated that it's a good start towards that goal.

And how can you not call it gov't-controlled when we have a government agency (IRS) determining who needs to have which plan?

To be fair the UK and Canadian plans aren't equivalent. Britain's is government-run and not popular. Canada's is a single-payer system and very popular.

 

[hortysir]

The claim from the right wing dumbasses was that the current health care law is government run health care. which was a lie.

From your link, Failer:

The new law does expand existing programs, and it establishes new subsidies and imposes additional regulation of health insurance companies. But it doesn’t come close to establishing a government-run system like those of Britain or Canada.

Your link admits that there is further government control and intervention but conveniently throws out the disclaimer that it's nothing like the systems in Britain or Canada.

Obama himself stated that it's a good start towards that goal.

And how can you not call it gov't-controlled when we have a government agency (IRS) determining who needs to have which plan?

To be fair the UK and Canadian plans aren't equivalent. Britain's is government-run and not popular. Canada's is a single-payer system and very popular.

Okay, I'm only on my second cup of coffee, but what's the diff between govt-run and single-payer?
Wouldn't the gov't be the single payer?

 

[Katzndogz]

Is anyone so stupid as to believe that the costs of healthcare will be removed from employers? Seriously? Is anyone so stupid as to believe that.

It can't happen. The costs of health care will be moved from the "insurance" columm into the "taxes" column. Taxes on those employers will be raised to pay for all that free health care. That is why employers are unwilling to hire. They don't know how much taxes will be raised to pay for all that free health care.

The government can do things to control costs. All medical personnel can be government employees with the same tort immunity as every other government employee which will do away with all medical malpractice lawsuits and the defensive medicine that doctors have to practice. It kind of leaves the public out in the cold if the doctor screws up but at least the procedure was free.

 

[Flaylo]

Single payer system you fucktards, that would lower costs substantially but the right wingers don't want that

 

[hortysir]

Single payer system you fucktards, that would lower costs substantially but the right wingers don't want that

Lower costs for who?
You?

You really think that you won't pay more for goods and services or more in taxes to pay for it?

 

[Flaylo]

Single payer system you fucktards, that would lower costs substantially but the right wingers don't want that

Lower costs for who?
You?

You really think that you won't pay more for goods and services or more in taxes to pay for it?

Lower costs for the patients you dickhead. Right and for a long time the US has had the highest costs of health care in the world, conutries with so called universal health care have cheaper rates.

 

[bripat9643]

Single payer system you fucktards, that would lower costs substantially but the right wingers don't want that

When have monopolies ever lowered costs?

 

[paulitician]

Forcing Citizens to purchase Health Insurance on threats of fine & imprisonment is as Un-American as it gets. The Mandate should be ruled Un-Constitutional. The Government is clearly over-stepping. I hope the courts do the right thing.

 

[paulitician]

And the Government will ration Healthcare. Make no mistake about that. The people denying this are lying. You will see your Healthcare rationed.

 

[logical4u]

Obamacare is the first step to government-run healthcare.

Unless it's repealed by clear-headed people, it will create more problems than it solves. Those who want socialized medicine will claim the only thing that can save us is government-run healthcare.

This has been the plan all along. It's been quite obvious.

Socialized "medicine", what the fuck is wrong with you? When you were in the military and even now you have Tricare as a retiree, do you call that "socialized medicine?" You dumb fucking right wingers look like sick puppies parroting the bullshit of your pundits, "socialized medicine," what a dick head.

There is a well thought out response, NOT!
Tricare (VA) has been plagued by problems of poor or non-treatment. Even the facilities near DC were pest infested, and needing repair. VA (Tricare) is infamous for denying a problem (currently exposure to chemicals in Iraq) and after a huge percentage of vets die off, come out with a statement, oh yeah, we did cause that (currently agent orange and Hepititis). There are not a lot of "medical advancements" or "break throughs" in the VA/Tricare.

Those "new proceedures" are usually done by civilian side hospitals/universities. They are given insurance money, and in some cases, personal money to cover experimental proceedures (the patient pays and supplies the guinea pig, themselves!).
In places where socialized medicine is used, the systems are breaking down; the patients are left without adequate personal care (in some instances starving or dying from thirst), and the facilities are not kept as clean as they are here in the private hospitals.

Let's look at some of the gov't controlled systems
IRS (strong arm of the gov't that can destroy people for "perceived non-payment that will be the collection facility for "healthcare" ... I wonder if they say there is a discrepency in your payment if medical care will be cut off until you pay what the gov't says you owe in taxes)
Post office: broke
TSA: essentially admitted to being useless in the stopping of terrorism, and has a growing list of crimminal activities against the people the agency was formed to protect
DOE: formed to eliminate our dependence on foreign oil in the '70s (how is that working out)
Dept of Education: more focused on destroying the American family thru teaching sex acts and political correctness over the 3 Rs will hurt this country for decades to come
EPA: set up to protect the environment, it has become the President's personal "good fellas" to intimidate and punish those that do not give the current administration what it wants
FDA: again, set up to protect "citizens" has been used to infringe on citizens' rights with no accountability
FAA: used to intimidate those that disagree with the President (we will promote equal time for all points of view, does this mean we will be subject to listening to dogs and cats for their views?)

And you, using your ability to reason, think handing health care over to the gov't is a "good idea"???????????????????????????????

 

[Katzndogz]

Single payer system you fucktards, that would lower costs substantially but the right wingers don't want that

Lower costs for who?
You?

You really think that you won't pay more for goods and services or more in taxes to pay for it?

Lower costs for the patients you dickhead. Right and for a long time the US has had the highest costs of health care in the world, conutries with so called universal health care have cheaper rates.

How do they do it?

They do it by controlling costs and refusing care for the very young, very old and very sick.

In Britian for instance, people are instructed how to pull their own teeth. Government workers are so lazy that doctors have to prescribe water to force the staff to give the bedridden something so basic as water.

In these countries you can still pay for medical care. I have a friend here from Britian who was in the hospital there. If you want clean sheets, tip, you want meals, tip the delivery person, someone will come and mop up the vomit, for a price. Even the doctors are not immune, yes they will run that test, it's just a little negotiation for the free test.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

What, you mean Obama lied? Cuz he said he saw the current bill as a 'first step' towards it. Just sayin'.

Ah, yes. "I think it is a critical first step in making a health care system that works for all Americans."

Very sinister! Don't take this the wrong way, but some of you are idiots.

It's not the governments role to provide you idiots with healthcare.

Oh that's right, you clowns can't do anything for yourselves, you need government to take care of your sorry ass from cradle to grave.

 

[paulitician]

The Government should not be forcing Citizens to buy Healthcare. If you don't see that,you really are lost.