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Your point is unsound in that the government is NOT 'constitutionally required to provide for for public safety'.Au contraire.Happily:Please explain the fundamental differences between my examples and your whine.
-Business perform a service for the government by collecting the governments' tax revenue.
-You do not perform a service for the government by meeting zonng laws.
-You do not perform a service for the government by metting health codes.
Thus, your examples are unrelated to the issue presented in that you are not performing a service for the governent under threat of force, whereas the business owner does.
The ONLY reason the government cares at ALL about the cleanliness of my yard, or the safety of my food is for public safety, which the government is constitutionally required to provide for. Therefor, I AM helping perform a government service when I do so.
I did not...?So why did you mention not being compensated for completing your taxes?
So why did you mention not being compensated for completing your taxes?
Sounds like he wants a government handout to me.
Says he who, through his unrelated examples, clearly does not understand the issue at hand.Sounds like he wants a government handout to me.So why did you mention not being compensated for completing your taxes?
Government has the power to levy taxes, but does it have the power to force private citizens to collect them?
Are those who collect the taxes compensated for their tax collection efforts?
Doesnt forcing them to collect taxes create a condition of involuntary servitude?
If so, how does this not violate their rights?
"Reporting" taxes is part of 'collecting' them, as you "report" the taxes you collected for the government every time you send them to the government. There's no seperate issue here.Here's your OP. In order to collect the tax you also report it. If collecting it is involuntary servitude, how is reporting also not the same?Government has the power to levy taxes, but does it have the power to force private citizens to collect them?
Are those who collect the taxes compensated for their tax collection efforts?
Doesnt forcing them to collect taxes create a condition of involuntary servitude?
If so, how does this not violate their rights?
"Reporting" taxes is part of 'collecting' them, as you "report" the taxes you collected for the government every time you send them to the government. There's no seperate issue here.Here's your OP. In order to collect the tax you also report it. If collecting it is involuntary servitude, how is reporting also not the same?Government has the power to levy taxes, but does it have the power to force private citizens to collect them?
Are those who collect the taxes compensated for their tax collection efforts?
Doesnt forcing them to collect taxes create a condition of involuntary servitude?
If so, how does this not violate their rights?
Well, that should be obvious:Okay, so what is your point if what you claim is true. Namely, that collecting tax is involutary servitude."Reporting" taxes is part of 'collecting' them, as you "report" the taxes you collected for the government every time you send them to the government. There's no seperate issue here.Here's your OP. In order to collect the tax you also report it. If collecting it is involuntary servitude, how is reporting also not the same?
So why did you mention not being compensated for completing your taxes?
Sounds like he wants a government handout to me.
Well you certainly don't set up a scenario without some point to make.
Says he who, through his unrelated examples, clearly does not understand the issue at hand.Sounds like he wants a government handout to me.
Well you certainly don't set up a scenario without some point to make.
Especially when that scenario has sliding variables that only you know about.
Well, that should be obvious:Okay, so what is your point if what you claim is true. Namely, that collecting tax is involutary servitude."Reporting" taxes is part of 'collecting' them, as you "report" the taxes you collected for the government every time you send them to the government. There's no seperate issue here.
If businesses/employers collecting taxes (not just federal income and FICA, but state and county and sales taxes as well) on behalf of the government, forced upon those businesses/employers by threat of force, is involuntary servitude,, then their rights uinder the 13th amendment have been violated.
Given that, the only rational recourse is to end the practice.
News flash: you're about an order of magnitude less clever than you think.Which is the "pay us or you can't collect" scenario I laid out as your plan a few posts back.Well, that should be obvious:Okay, so what is your point if what you claim is true. Namely, that collecting tax is involutary servitude.
If businesses/employers collecting taxes (not just federal income and FICA, but state and county and sales taxes as well) on behalf of the government, forced upon those businesses/employers by threat of force, is involuntary servitude,, then their rights uinder the 13th amendment have been violated.
Given that, the only rational recourse is to end the practice.
News flash: you're about an order of magnitude less clever than you think.Which is the "pay us or you can't collect" scenario I laid out as your plan a few posts back.Well, that should be obvious:
If businesses/employers collecting taxes (not just federal income and FICA, but state and county and sales taxes as well) on behalf of the government, forced upon those businesses/employers by threat of force, is involuntary servitude,, then their rights uinder the 13th amendment have been violated.
Given that, the only rational recourse is to end the practice.
It has nothing to do with the government paying employers to collect tax revenue; it has everything to do with people not being placed into a condition of incoluntary servitude by the government.
You disagrree with involuntary servitude, dont you?
The government -isn't- collecting the taxes -- the business owner collects the revenue, and then sends it to the government.The Supreme Court has consistently upheld the government's right to collect a tax.
He does so under threat of legal consequence, should he fail to comply, which falls under the legal defintion of involuntary servitude.
Sounds to me like you generally agree with me.News flash: you're about an order of magnitude less clever than you think.Which is the "pay us or you can't collect" scenario I laid out as your plan a few posts back.
It has nothing to do with the government paying employers to collect tax revenue; it has everything to do with people not being placed into a condition of incoluntary servitude by the government.
You disagrree with involuntary servitude, dont you?
When it happens to a state its called an unfunded mandate. Yes, I disagree with involuntary servitude. As an American I have responsibilities as a citizen. Supporting my government in its Constitutional functions is one of them. Income taxes has become one of those things. Until its repealed, that is what it is. I would sincerely love for government to be a much better steward with that money and strive to stay within the Constitutional limits. It often fails at both.
Someone else already made this point, which I already adderssed.The government -isn't- collecting the taxes -- the business owner collects the revenue, and then sends it to the government.The Supreme Court has consistently upheld the government's right to collect a tax.
He does so under threat of legal consequence, should he fail to comply, which falls under the legal defintion of involuntary servitude.
The business is liscenced by the goevrnment. By apply for and accepting the liscence, the business owner is agreeing to comply with the law. If one does not wish to comply with the law, then one is welcome to remove oneself from the joys of business ownership.
End of discussion.
Make everyone write a check.Your answer to the problem as you have defined it is what?
Sounds to me like you generally agree with me.News flash: you're about an order of magnitude less clever than you think.
It has nothing to do with the government paying employers to collect tax revenue; it has everything to do with people not being placed into a condition of incoluntary servitude by the government.
You disagrree with involuntary servitude, dont you?
When it happens to a state its called an unfunded mandate. Yes, I disagree with involuntary servitude. As an American I have responsibilities as a citizen. Supporting my government in its Constitutional functions is one of them. Income taxes has become one of those things. Until its repealed, that is what it is. I would sincerely love for government to be a much better steward with that money and strive to stay within the Constitutional limits. It often fails at both.