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No, that's just how liberals label the GOP's position, and then sell it to the masses via the media.
Right. That's why in a discussion about immigrants we are suddenly and repeatedly discussing illegal immigrants.
You aren't fooling anyone, especially immigrants.
A discussion about immigrants??? As someone stated above, legal immigrants don't need amnesty or need to worry about deportation. They aren't the problem.
The politicians had a good solution to the problem under Reagan.
One time amnesty for those in the country and close the borders to illegals from then on.
The politicians did give amnesty to those here, and then walked away from the closing of the borders. Go figure.....
Before we have any kind of comprehensive pathway to citizenship, we need to close the borders first. If the politicians won't do that, you know they're not serious about cutting down on the illegals.
The GOP's Presidential election defeat is opening up a debate in the party, with more than a few voices saying they are willing to rethink their views on immigration. This is good news, which means it's also a good moment to address some of the frequent claims from the anti-immigration right that simply aren't true, especially about Hispanics.
...
Equally specious is the argument that Latino immigrants come here, often illegally, to "steal" jobs or to go on the dole. If illegal aliens are displacing natives in the labor force, why was there more immigration and less unemployment under President Bush? And if foreign nationals are primarily attracted to our welfare state, how to explain the fact that low-income immigrants are less likely to be receiving public benefits than low-income natives?
Illegal aliens aren't eligible for Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and other federal entitlements. But even those low-income immigrants who are eligible for public assistance sign up at lower rates than their native counterparts. According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, which administers food stamps, noncitizens who qualify are significantly less likely than citizens to participate.
Over the past decade, the states experiencing the fastest immigrant population growth have not been traditional gateways like New York and California. Latino newcomers have been flocking to Arkansas, Tennessee, Utah, Alabama, Mississippi, Kansas, Iowa, Nebraska and the Carolinasstates that are among the stingiest for public benefits. ...
Polls regularly show that immigration is not a priority for Hispanic voters, but how border policy is discussed still matters as a threshold and symbolic issue. When Republican Presidential candidates are preoccupied with putting up an electrified fence along the Rio Grande and blaming Latinos (wrongly) for driving up crime, unemployment and health-care costs, we are a long way from Ronald Reagan's welcoming GOP. ...
Hispanic growth in the U.S. isn't being driven by newcomers but by birthrates among those already here. Talk radio hosts could declare the borders closed today to all Mexicans, South Koreans, Indians and any other foreigner, and the voting share of these ethnic groups would increase for decades. Short of deportation, or "self-deportation" as Mr. Romney put it, the minority share of the electorate is going to rise inexorably.
...
Review & Outlook: Immigrants and the GOP - WSJ.com
You've made the same mistake that all the other "cons" on this thread made.The politicians had a good solution to the problem under Reagan.
One time amnesty for those in the country and close the borders to illegals from then on.
The politicians did give amnesty to those here, and then walked away from the closing of the borders. Go figure.....
Before we have any kind of comprehensive pathway to citizenship, we need to close the borders first. If the politicians won't do that, you know they're not serious about cutting down on the illegals.
All immigrants aren't illegal yet the GOP pretends they are.
No, that's just how liberals label the GOP's position, and then sell it to the masses via the media.
The politicians had a good solution to the problem under Reagan.
One time amnesty for those in the country and close the borders to illegals from then on.
The politicians did give amnesty to those here, and then walked away from the closing of the borders. Go figure.....
Before we have any kind of comprehensive pathway to citizenship, we need to close the borders first. If the politicians won't do that, you know they're not serious about cutting down on the illegals.
Reagan got 37% of the Hispanic vote in 1984. He passed amnesty in 1986. George H.W. Bush got 30% of the Hispanic vote in 1988. It's not the amnesty. It's the identity politics put out by the democrats and their minions in the media. The Republicans have never gotten more than 40 % of Hispanic voters because like the Democrats, many Hispanics like that big government gravy train. Look at the number of babies born out of wedlock among those in the Democrat base. Do you really think most of those unwed young women having babies are supporting those children without government help?
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Interesting article:
5 Reasons Amnesty Would Be Political Suicide For The Republican Party
1) We'd be bringing in a huge influx of Democratic voters. Roughly 70% of Hispanic Americans already vote for the Democrats and you have to expect that the Democrats would capture an even larger percentage of illegal aliens. Keep in mind that for the most part, illegals are poorly educated, have minimal English skills, come from socialistic countries and make a living here doing low end, poorly paid manual labor. The GOP would be lucky to capture 20% of that block of voters.
Now, let's do a little rough math. We don't know exactly how many illegal aliens are in the country, but 10 million seems like a nice conservative estimate. If the Democrats did actually capture 80% of those voters, it would lead to a net gain of 6 million potential new votes for the Democrats. Meanwhile, if only 407,000 votes had flipped from Obama to Romney in Florida (73,858), Ohio (103,481), Virginia (115,910) and Colorado (113,099), Mitt would have won and Chris Matthews would still be on a depression-related leave of absence. In other words, this is like coming up just short in a 100 yard dash and deciding to “fix” the problem by starting 25 yards farther back in the next race.
5 Reasons Amnesty Would Be Political Suicide For The Republican Party - John Hawkins - [page]
You've made the same mistake that all the other "cons" on this thread made.
All immigrants aren't illegal yet the GOP pretends they are.
No, that's just how liberals label the GOP's position, and then sell it to the masses via the media.
poor misundersttod gop just can't fight the democrats and the stupid masses who don't know any better.
how'd that work out for you a week ago?
The politicians had a good solution to the problem under Reagan.
One time amnesty for those in the country and close the borders to illegals from then on.
The politicians did give amnesty to those here, and then walked away from the closing of the borders. Go figure.....
Before we have any kind of comprehensive pathway to citizenship, we need to close the borders first. If the politicians won't do that, you know they're not serious about cutting down on the illegals.
Reagan got 37% of the Hispanic vote in 1984. He passed amnesty in 1986. George H.W. Bush got 30% of the Hispanic vote in 1988. It's not the amnesty. It's the identity politics put out by the democrats and their minions in the media. The Republicans have never gotten more than 40 % of Hispanic voters because like the Democrats, many Hispanics like that big government gravy train. Look at the number of babies born out of wedlock among those in the Democrat base. Do you really think most of those unwed young women having babies are supporting those children without government help?
*******************************************************
Interesting article:
5 Reasons Amnesty Would Be Political Suicide For The Republican Party
1) We'd be bringing in a huge influx of Democratic voters. Roughly 70% of Hispanic Americans already vote for the Democrats and you have to expect that the Democrats would capture an even larger percentage of illegal aliens. Keep in mind that for the most part, illegals are poorly educated, have minimal English skills, come from socialistic countries and make a living here doing low end, poorly paid manual labor. The GOP would be lucky to capture 20% of that block of voters.
Now, let's do a little rough math. We don't know exactly how many illegal aliens are in the country, but 10 million seems like a nice conservative estimate. If the Democrats did actually capture 80% of those voters, it would lead to a net gain of 6 million potential new votes for the Democrats. Meanwhile, if only 407,000 votes had flipped from Obama to Romney in Florida (73,858), Ohio (103,481), Virginia (115,910) and Colorado (113,099), Mitt would have won and Chris Matthews would still be on a depression-related leave of absence. In other words, this is like coming up just short in a 100 yard dash and deciding to fix the problem by starting 25 yards farther back in the next race.
5 Reasons Amnesty Would Be Political Suicide For The Republican Party - John Hawkins - [page]
You made a valid point, and then ruined it by following up about "illegals liking the gravy train".
Regan gave amnesty and lost support, GWB talked reform, and gained it.
I've always been of in favor of mass deportation of any and all illegals. Period. Round them up, put 'em in a truck and tote them back from whence they came. Why should anyone who enters into this country illegally get amnesty, get a free pass of any kind?
<blink, blink>
That's never going to happen, is it?
Illegals are here and while deportation is up under Obama (I read somewhere around 400,000 illegals have been deported during his first term) really, they're not going anywhere. 400K out of what, 12 million? What a joke.
I propose that illegals not be given amnesty but be given a path to citizenship. Back of the line, fines to pay, and they will never, ever be allowed to vote (nor will any child they have who was born here while the parents were illegal), because there has to be a negative, a punishment, a deterrent for entering here illegally; make it more beneficial to enter the U.S. legally. If illegals do not want to go down this path and choose to remain illegal, boot them; illegal criminals get the firing squad. Ok fine, boot them too. Fine the shit out of businesses who employ illegals, jail time for repeat offenders. Before any of that, secure the borders. Tightly.
The politicians had a good solution to the problem under Reagan.
One time amnesty for those in the country and close the borders to illegals from then on.
The politicians did give amnesty to those here, and then walked away from the closing of the borders. Go figure.....
Before we have any kind of comprehensive pathway to citizenship, we need to close the borders first. If the politicians won't do that, you know they're not serious about cutting down on the illegals.
Reagan got 37% of the Hispanic vote in 1984. He passed amnesty in 1986. George H.W. Bush got 30% of the Hispanic vote in 1988. It's not the amnesty. It's the identity politics put out by the democrats and their minions in the media. The Republicans have never gotten more than 40 % of Hispanic voters because like the Democrats, many Hispanics like that big government gravy train. Look at the number of babies born out of wedlock among those in the Democrat base. Do you really think most of those unwed young women having babies are supporting those children without government help?
*******************************************************
Interesting article:
5 Reasons Amnesty Would Be Political Suicide For The Republican Party
1) We'd be bringing in a huge influx of Democratic voters. Roughly 70% of Hispanic Americans already vote for the Democrats and you have to expect that the Democrats would capture an even larger percentage of illegal aliens. Keep in mind that for the most part, illegals are poorly educated, have minimal English skills, come from socialistic countries and make a living here doing low end, poorly paid manual labor. The GOP would be lucky to capture 20% of that block of voters.
Now, let's do a little rough math. We don't know exactly how many illegal aliens are in the country, but 10 million seems like a nice conservative estimate. If the Democrats did actually capture 80% of those voters, it would lead to a net gain of 6 million potential new votes for the Democrats. Meanwhile, if only 407,000 votes had flipped from Obama to Romney in Florida (73,858), Ohio (103,481), Virginia (115,910) and Colorado (113,099), Mitt would have won and Chris Matthews would still be on a depression-related leave of absence. In other words, this is like coming up just short in a 100 yard dash and deciding to fix the problem by starting 25 yards farther back in the next race.
5 Reasons Amnesty Would Be Political Suicide For The Republican Party - John Hawkins - [page]
You made a valid point, and then ruined it by following up about "illegals liking the gravy train".
Regan gave amnesty and lost support, GWB talked reform, and gained it.
Reagan got 37% of the Hispanic vote in 1984. He passed amnesty in 1986. George H.W. Bush got 30% of the Hispanic vote in 1988. It's not the amnesty. It's the identity politics put out by the democrats and their minions in the media. The Republicans have never gotten more than 40 % of Hispanic voters because like the Democrats, many Hispanics like that big government gravy train. Look at the number of babies born out of wedlock among those in the Democrat base. Do you really think most of those unwed young women having babies are supporting those children without government help?
*******************************************************
Interesting article:
5 Reasons Amnesty Would Be Political Suicide For The Republican Party
1) We'd be bringing in a huge influx of Democratic voters. Roughly 70% of Hispanic Americans already vote for the Democrats and you have to expect that the Democrats would capture an even larger percentage of illegal aliens. Keep in mind that for the most part, illegals are poorly educated, have minimal English skills, come from socialistic countries and make a living here doing low end, poorly paid manual labor. The GOP would be lucky to capture 20% of that block of voters.
Now, let's do a little rough math. We don't know exactly how many illegal aliens are in the country, but 10 million seems like a nice conservative estimate. If the Democrats did actually capture 80% of those voters, it would lead to a net gain of 6 million potential new votes for the Democrats. Meanwhile, if only 407,000 votes had flipped from Obama to Romney in Florida (73,858), Ohio (103,481), Virginia (115,910) and Colorado (113,099), Mitt would have won and Chris Matthews would still be on a depression-related leave of absence. In other words, this is like coming up just short in a 100 yard dash and deciding to fix the problem by starting 25 yards farther back in the next race.
5 Reasons Amnesty Would Be Political Suicide For The Republican Party - John Hawkins - [page]
You made a valid point, and then ruined it by following up about "illegals liking the gravy train".
Regan gave amnesty and lost support, GWB talked reform, and gained it.
What have any of the dem presidents, Clinton or Obama, done to gain their vote?
I've always been of in favor of mass deportation of any and all illegals. Period. Round them up, put 'em in a truck and tote them back from whence they came. Why should anyone who enters into this country illegally get amnesty, get a free pass of any kind?
<blink, blink>
That's never going to happen, is it?
Illegals are here and while deportation is up under Obama (I read somewhere around 400,000 illegals have been deported during his first term) really, they're not going anywhere. 400K out of what, 12 million? What a joke.
I propose that illegals not be given amnesty but be given a path to citizenship. Back of the line, fines to pay, and they will never, ever be allowed to vote (nor will any child they have who was born here while the parents were illegal), because there has to be a negative, a punishment, a deterrent for entering here illegally; make it more beneficial to enter the U.S. legally. If illegals do not want to go down this path and choose to remain illegal, boot them; illegal criminals get the firing squad. Ok fine, boot them too. Fine the shit out of businesses who employ illegals, jail time for repeat offenders. Before any of that, secure the borders. Tightly.
If you take away their right to vote, the democrats drop them in a heartbeat, they are no longer of use to them. They'd never let that happen.
I've always been of in favor of mass deportation of any and all illegals. Period. Round them up, put 'em in a truck and tote them back from whence they came. Why should anyone who enters into this country illegally get amnesty, get a free pass of any kind?
<blink, blink>
That's never going to happen, is it?
Illegals are here and while deportation is up under Obama (I read somewhere around 400,000 illegals have been deported during his first term) really, they're not going anywhere. 400K out of what, 12 million? What a joke.
I propose that illegals not be given amnesty but be given a path to citizenship. Back of the line, fines to pay, and they will never, ever be allowed to vote (nor will any child they have who was born here while the parents were illegal), because there has to be a negative, a punishment, a deterrent for entering here illegally; make it more beneficial to enter the U.S. legally. If illegals do not want to go down this path and choose to remain illegal, boot them; illegal criminals get the firing squad. Ok fine, boot them too. Fine the shit out of businesses who employ illegals, jail time for repeat offenders. Before any of that, secure the borders. Tightly.
If you take away their right to vote, the democrats drop them in a heartbeat, they are no longer of use to them. They'd never let that happen.
That's exactly why it should be proposed, so no 'side' can use them. Then maybe the illegal problem will actually get solved and we can move on.
The GOP's Presidential election defeat is opening up a debate in the party, with more than a few voices saying they are willing to rethink their views on immigration. This is good news, which means it's also a good moment to address some of the frequent claims from the anti-immigration right that simply aren't true, especially about Hispanics.
...
Equally specious is the argument that Latino immigrants come here, often illegally, to "steal" jobs or to go on the dole. If illegal aliens are displacing natives in the labor force, why was there more immigration and less unemployment under President Bush? And if foreign nationals are primarily attracted to our welfare state, how to explain the fact that low-income immigrants are less likely to be receiving public benefits than low-income natives?
Illegal aliens aren't eligible for Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and other federal entitlements. But even those low-income immigrants who are eligible for public assistance sign up at lower rates than their native counterparts. According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, which administers food stamps, noncitizens who qualify are significantly less likely than citizens to participate.
Over the past decade, the states experiencing the fastest immigrant population growth have not been traditional gateways like New York and California. Latino newcomers have been flocking to Arkansas, Tennessee, Utah, Alabama, Mississippi, Kansas, Iowa, Nebraska and the Carolinasstates that are among the stingiest for public benefits. ...
Polls regularly show that immigration is not a priority for Hispanic voters, but how border policy is discussed still matters as a threshold and symbolic issue. When Republican Presidential candidates are preoccupied with putting up an electrified fence along the Rio Grande and blaming Latinos (wrongly) for driving up crime, unemployment and health-care costs, we are a long way from Ronald Reagan's welcoming GOP. ...
Hispanic growth in the U.S. isn't being driven by newcomers but by birthrates among those already here. Talk radio hosts could declare the borders closed today to all Mexicans, South Koreans, Indians and any other foreigner, and the voting share of these ethnic groups would increase for decades. Short of deportation, or "self-deportation" as Mr. Romney put it, the minority share of the electorate is going to rise inexorably.
...
Review & Outlook: Immigrants and the GOP - WSJ.com
The GOP's Presidential election defeat is opening up a debate in the party, with more than a few voices saying they are willing to rethink their views on immigration. This is good news, which means it's also a good moment to address some of the frequent claims from the anti-immigration right that simply aren't true, especially about Hispanics.
...
Equally specious is the argument that Latino immigrants come here, often illegally, to "steal" jobs or to go on the dole. If illegal aliens are displacing natives in the labor force, why was there more immigration and less unemployment under President Bush? And if foreign nationals are primarily attracted to our welfare state, how to explain the fact that low-income immigrants are less likely to be receiving public benefits than low-income natives?
Illegal aliens aren't eligible for Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and other federal entitlements. But even those low-income immigrants who are eligible for public assistance sign up at lower rates than their native counterparts. According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, which administers food stamps, noncitizens who qualify are significantly less likely than citizens to participate.
Over the past decade, the states experiencing the fastest immigrant population growth have not been traditional gateways like New York and California. Latino newcomers have been flocking to Arkansas, Tennessee, Utah, Alabama, Mississippi, Kansas, Iowa, Nebraska and the Carolinasstates that are among the stingiest for public benefits. ...
Polls regularly show that immigration is not a priority for Hispanic voters, but how border policy is discussed still matters as a threshold and symbolic issue. When Republican Presidential candidates are preoccupied with putting up an electrified fence along the Rio Grande and blaming Latinos (wrongly) for driving up crime, unemployment and health-care costs, we are a long way from Ronald Reagan's welcoming GOP. ...
Hispanic growth in the U.S. isn't being driven by newcomers but by birthrates among those already here. Talk radio hosts could declare the borders closed today to all Mexicans, South Koreans, Indians and any other foreigner, and the voting share of these ethnic groups would increase for decades. Short of deportation, or "self-deportation" as Mr. Romney put it, the minority share of the electorate is going to rise inexorably.
...
Review & Outlook: Immigrants and the GOP - WSJ.com
And we should be surprised why? The Republican Party has done nothing other than to demonize these people. They are here to stay whether we like it or not. We better find a way to make certain they have all the same opportunities as White America. Whites just don't get it; the vast majority of Whites have a very big advantage from birth over minorities. Those are just the facts. If you think being born Black or Hispanic to welfare parents gives you the same chance at success as the White child born to middle class parents living in the suburbs, you're off your rocker.
Will it ever stop?
Is someone proposing that? Wow, this is even more awesome than I thought.I'm not ok with taking an american citizens right to vote because of issues involving their parents.
