Voter fraud that isnt occurring.
Haven't you read TrustMatters documentation? It's only fraud when Republicans do it...
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Voter fraud that isnt occurring.
Ok so, requiring voters to actually prove they are who they say they are is A) voter suppression and B) directed at Democrats.
been asking for a while now, How is this true? Explain it.
Now we have States making routine changes to voting rules and you all claim it suppresses Democrats and Obama supporters. I REPEAT, explain how that is.
People who are marginal economically - people who've lost their homes, for example, who are couch-surfing, staying with friends, or sleeping in shelters or outside - people who are transients, who have legal problems, who have never had a regular job, who work for cash, under the table, or have substance-abuse problems or mental health issues or have been to jail - these are the people who are prevented from voting by government-issued-photo-ID laws.
Republicans think these people are more likely to vote Democratic if they're able to vote; therefore Republicans want to prevent them from voting.
What a farce, noone is stopping them from voting
Voting is a privelege and civic duty, not a convenience to be extended for political jerimandering by either side.
I wonder what the political makeup of the Florida Legislature was in 2008. It is Republican now. Was it Democrat then? If it was, I would accept your argument.
if it wasn't, one then wonders why a Republican controlled Leglislature would authorize something that would help the other side.
Let me get this right..... the rules changes are designed to only effect Democrats? That is your claim right?
Explain to us why these changes would only impact Democrats and Obama supporters.
Not my claim. All I am doing is citing an article and linking y'all up to it. It is not all that clear from the article - but, as I read it, extending the voting times somehow enabled more Blacks and Latinos to come in and vote and, since Blacks and Latinos are predominately Democratic, it increased the vote for the Democratic contender in 2008, Obama.
Restricting the early voting time would, therefore, reduce the number of Blacks and Latinos who would be voting and, therefore, the number of Democratic votes.
Frankly, it is not clear to me from reading the article, exactly how extending the voting times meant that more Blacks and Latinos could come in and vote. Nonetheless, that is the conclusion they draw. It is a statistical fact that Blacks and Latinos vote more Democratic than Republican.
I guess the idea is that there was (is) something about the schedules of Blacks and Latinos that makes them unable to come in and vote in a small window of time, while other voters do not seem to have that problem.
Hell, I don't know, Gunny - read the article yourself.
Edit Note: The new election laws proposed by Republican Legislatures make it more difficult for students to vote. More students vote Demorcratic than Republican.
Ok so, requiring voters to actually prove they are who they say they are is A) voter suppression and B) directed at Democrats.
been asking for a while now, How is this true? Explain it.
Now we have States making routine changes to voting rules and you all claim it suppresses Democrats and Obama supporters. I REPEAT, explain how that is.
People who are marginal economically - people who've lost their homes, for example, who are couch-surfing, staying with friends, or sleeping in shelters or outside - people who are transients, who have legal problems, who have never had a regular job, who work for cash, under the table, or have substance-abuse problems or mental health issues or have been to jail - these are the people who are prevented from voting by government-issued-photo-ID laws.
Republicans think these people are more likely to vote Democratic if they're able to vote; therefore Republicans want to prevent them from voting.
People who have lost home, or who couch surf, or whatever have no ID?? People with legal trouble or warrants are checked?? Or they have a right to hide?? They are checked for working under the table??
This is probably the dumbest shit I have ever heard
No one will explain why Republicans just don't run on their record or their ideas.
Why do they need "voter suppression"?
If they are good for America, they would be a shoe in.
Who needs weeks to vote?
Republicans these days will sell their first born to win the White House. Its is disgusting what they are doing to our election process, yet much of their recent unconstitutional election engineering will wind up in the Supreme Court - maybe too late for the 2012 election cycle though.
Who needs weeks to vote?
Old people. It takes them hours just to pull out of the driveway. There's alot of them in FL, you know.
I have 0 sympathy.
In 2008, Obama may have won the state of Florida on the Sunday before election day when "Souls to the Polls" brought large number of Black and Latino voters to the polls to cast ballots after church. Florida had opened the polls two weeks early and in spite of that, there were long lines at all of the polling places, prompting the governor to issue an emergency order extending the hours for early voting. When it was all over, Obama had eked out a 51% win in the State of Florida.
If the Republican-controlled legislature of the good state of Florida has its way, there will be no more of THAT. According to a front-page article in today's L.A. Times:
Early voting was reduced from two weeks to one week. Voting on the Sunday before election day was eliminated. College students face new hurdles if they want to vote away from home. And those who register new voters face the threat of fines for procedural errors, prompting the nonpartisan League of Women Voters to suspend voter registration drives and accuse the Legislature of "reverting to Jim Crow-like tactics."
Election laws tightening in Republican-run states - latimes.com
What is this really all about? Election rules are being changed in Republican-controlled states in a way that will make it more difficult for demographic groups perceived to be Democatic, to get the polls to vote.
Slimy? You bet. But, then, this is politics . . . .
These "young people, old people and minorities" must not travel on airplanes or get access into most building in New York City either, right?
These "young people, old people and minorities" must not travel on airplanes or get access into most building in New York City either, right?
There are many people who don't travel on airplanes. And I would consider it a safe bet that most FL residents aren't making a regular habit of trying to access buildings in NYC.
These "young people, old people and minorities" must not travel on airplanes or get access into most building in New York City either, right?
There are many people who don't travel on airplanes. And I would consider it a safe bet that most FL residents aren't making a regular habit of trying to access buildings in NYC.
I don't know what life is like in your refrigerator box, but I'm sure you have to show photo ID to access a lot of buildings in FL.
No ID= no access = no vote.
And it's just too fucking bad
I'm wondering how many people have actually read the article, and why everyone is focusing in on the ID issue. In my mind, it's the least of issues. I, personally, don't really have an issue with requiring photo ID at the polling location.
What I find problematic is that the new rules FL created to reduce the early voting period, and especially elimination of voting on the Sunday before election day. What is the rational basis for this? It is obviously an attempt to thwart any effort by Obama to repeat his Souls to the Polls tactic which worked so well for him. And THAT is shameful, to create new voting laws specifically in an attempt to preempt a particular candidate's political prowess. Clearly, the Florida GOP is abusing its role in an attempt to eliminate votes for Obama.
I agree that the nationwide trends that we're seeing do indicate that the GOP is trying to manipulate the voting process when state legislatures should be concentrating on the real issues their respective states face. It reminds me of the 2002 gerrymandering that took place in Texas. There as no need to redistrict again, but they did it anyway. Why? The sole reason was to manipulate the system in favor of the GOP. Politics is one thing, but this kind of stuff is disgraceful. It's no wonder so many people say that the GOP is party before country. While that's true for the Democrats also, it seems like the GOP outpaces the Dems on that issue leaps and bounds.