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If the discussion was on economic value, then Boedicca should have stated that when I gave her ample opportunity to define "net value" (her term). It doesn't change my point though which is that the government can, and does, provide value to the country and to its citizens. To claim otherwise is just wrong.
You said government creates value. The only way to create value is for the output to be worth more than the inputs. You still haven't described how government does that other than to point out the obvious bromide of the military. The military is one of the few constitutionally valid purposes of the federal government, and is a fraction of government spending (and was largely unaffected by The Stimulus Bill).
So, please describe all The Value we got from the massive increase in federal spending since the Dems took over Congress in 2006?
I will never be able to show it to you because you don't think of "value" the same way I do. You are thinking of it purely from a money stand point but then you completely drop that when it comes to areas of Government you like. There can be now way for me to prove something to you if your own definition changes. I can prove A and you'll simply change your definition of A. It's pointless.
The rest of us here know that a Government is not inherently evil. Even the Founding Fathers knew that. A Government can benefit an economy greatly, even if you disagree.
If the discussion was on economic value, then Boedicca should have stated that when I gave her ample opportunity to define "net value" (her term). It doesn't change my point though which is that the government can, and does, provide value to the country and to its citizens. To claim otherwise is just wrong.
You said government creates value. The only way to create value is for the output to be worth more than the inputs. You still haven't described how government does that other than to point out the obvious bromide of the military. The military is one of the few constitutionally valid purposes of the federal government, and is a fraction of government spending (and was largely unaffected by The Stimulus Bill).
So, please describe all The Value we got from the massive increase in federal spending since the Dems took over Congress in 2006?
I will never be able to show it to you because you don't think of "value" the same way I do. You are thinking of it purely from a money stand point but then you completely drop that when it comes to areas of Government you like. There can be now way for me to prove something to you if your own definition changes. I can prove A and you'll simply change your definition of A. It's pointless.
The rest of us here know that a Government is not inherently evil. Even the Founding Fathers knew that. A Government can benefit an economy greatly, even if you disagree.
That dishonest chart has been debunked ages ago. Most government employees are white collar and most private employees are blue collar. It's no surprise that a UN translator makes more than a ditch digger. When the exact same JOB is compared between the gov and private sectors, the private sector job pays the same or more in most cases.Either cut government employees pay & benefits or they can all lose their jobs. Take your pick. There will be 100 people standing in line to replace those worthless government employees who want to quit after their pay & benefits are cut.
BigotBartThat dishonest chart has been debunked ages ago. Most government employees are white collar and most private employees are blue collar. It's no surprise that a UN translator makes more than a ditch digger. When the exact same JOB is compared between the gov and private sectors, the private sector job pays the same or more in most cases.Either cut government employees pay & benefits or they can all lose their jobs. Take your pick. There will be 100 people standing in line to replace those worthless government employees who want to quit after their pay & benefits are cut.
What a crock of crap! Job for job, government employees produce less & get paid more than double what private sector workers get.
Plus government pays Lifeguards $200,000/yr + $3 Million for Retirement at Age 50.
That dishonest chart has been debunked ages ago. Most government employees are white collar and most private employees are blue collar. It's no surprise that a UN translator makes more than a ditch digger. When the exact same JOB is compared between the gov and private sectors, the private sector job pays the same or more in most cases.Either cut government employees pay & benefits or they can all lose their jobs. Take your pick. There will be 100 people standing in line to replace those worthless government employees who want to quit after their pay & benefits are cut.
What a crock of crap! Job for job, government employees produce less & get paid more than double what private sector workers get.
Plus government pays Lifeguards $200,000/yr + $3 Million for Retirement at Age 50.
Government is paying this ditch digger $400,000 a year plus far more than that in benefits.
BigotBartThat dishonest chart has been debunked ages ago. Most government employees are white collar and most private employees are blue collar. It's no surprise that a UN translator makes more than a ditch digger. When the exact same JOB is compared between the gov and private sectors, the private sector job pays the same or more in most cases.
What a crock of crap! Job for job, government employees produce less & get paid more than double what private sector workers get.
Plus government pays Lifeguards $200,000/yr + $3 Million for Retirement at Age 50.
PayScale - Lifeguard Wages, Hourly Wage Rate by Employer Type
Your own link proves that government lifeguards get paid more than double what private sector lifeguards make.
As for your stupidity & laughing at Breitbart, how does the Orange County Register grab you retarded idiot? Lifeguarding in OC is totally lucrative; some make over $200kCongratulations to all of you who want smaller government!
Somebody can't read a chart. The only people that gov lifeguards make double over, and only at the top end of the scale, are lifeguards who work at foundations or trusts!!BigotBartWhat a crock of crap! Job for job, government employees produce less & get paid more than double what private sector workers get.
Plus government pays Lifeguards $200,000/yr + $3 Million for Retirement at Age 50.
PayScale - Lifeguard Wages, Hourly Wage Rate by Employer Type
Somebody can't read a chart. The only people that gov lifeguards make double over, and only at the top end of the scale, are lifeguards who work at foundations or trusts!!
And BigotBart cherry-picks beaches that depend on tourist income and whose lifeguards preform thousands of rescues a year, and therefore deserve the money they make, both in the tourist dollars they help generate and the insurance money they save.
What a crock of crap! Job for job, government employees produce less & get paid more than double what private sector workers get.
What a crock of crap! Job for job, government employees produce less & get paid more than double what private sector workers get.
If you cut their pay by 25% none of them would quit. That's an indication that they are overpaid by at lest that much. Private firms determine their pay levels by keeping tabs of how many people quit at whatever level they are paying. Government employees never quit. Never.
I think cutting the pay of Congress would be a good start.
But demonizing government workers needs to be tamped down. Not all of them are lazy overpaid good for nothing faceless entities.
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf
Congratulations to all of you who want smaller government! 39,000 jobs were shed in June. Of course, private businesses only added 57,000 jobs, so the unemployment rate went up, but that's what smaller government looks like!
So again, Congratulations!
Nobody was wishing for it. But you were warned it would happen. I guess warning is wishing in the mind of a liberal.
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf
Congratulations to all of you who want smaller government! 39,000 jobs were shed in June. Of course, private businesses only added 57,000 jobs, so the unemployment rate went up, but that's what smaller government looks like!
So again, Congratulations!
Nobody was wishing for it. But you were warned it would happen. I guess warning is wishing in the mind of a liberal.
I was wondering how the libturds were going to spin the unemployment numbers to make them a problem for Republicans. Their ingenuity at diversion and deflection is truly astounding.
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf
Congratulations to all of you who want smaller government! 39,000 jobs were shed in June. Of course, private businesses only added 57,000 jobs, so the unemployment rate went up, but that's what smaller government looks like!
So again, Congratulations!
went for broadband internet for rural counties that already had broadband."The rest of us here know that a Government is not inherently evil. Even the Founding Fathers knew that
edthelemur should more spend time in government offices seeing how incredibly little they actually do. I have, it's pathetic. I was a commercial management consultant most of my career, but I did three government projects, all in the heart of DC, and the government employees do incredibly little. I frequently had to make decisions that should have been made by my client but I couldn't get a decision and if we didn't make one my projects would grind to a halt. At HSA you could shoot a cannon through the office any time before 10, between 12 and 2 or after 4 and the only one in danger would have been me.Most government employees are white collar and most private employees are blue collar. It's no surprise that a UN translator makes more than a ditch digger. When the exact same JOB is compared between the gov and private sectors, the private sector job pays the same or more in most cases.
What a crock of crap! Job for job, government employees produce less & get paid more than double what private sector workers get.
Plus government pays Lifeguards $200,000/yr + $3 Million for Retirement at Age 50.
Government is paying this ditch digger $400,000 a year plus far more than that in benefits.
