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What standard would you propose for a collection of books by scores of authors, written over several millenia?
You answer my question and I'll answer yours.
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What standard would you propose for a collection of books by scores of authors, written over several millenia?
I'm not requiring a standard of proof for the Bible.
1. This is a good source that I have used in the past to debate against the Koran. Pick an example.
2. Genesis Chapter 1 is unrelated to the researched chronology. There is no way to estimate the time differential to Chapter 2.
Genesis 1:16 says literally that God makes two lights: "the greater light [the sun] to rule the day, and the lesser light [the moon] to rule the night." But the moon is not a light, but only reflects light from the sun.
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2. Genesis Chapter 1 is unrelated to the researched chronology. There is no way to estimate the time differential to Chapter 2.
A day is a day. Creation took 6 days - roughly 144 hours. Then take the birth of Adam and use chronology until the death of Jesus. Then add roughly 2000 years. If you are going to take the bible literally about homosexuality being a sin, you must take everything that the Bible says literally.
That's becasue the question does not make sense with respect to my understanding of the Bible. the document is unfallable.
It depends on the issue. Usually it's "beyond a reasonable doubt". Now are you going to answer the question or continue to avoid it?
glockmail said:What standard would you propose for a collection of books by scores of authors, written over several millenia?
Yes, the Bible should meet that standard. Now are you going to accept the challenge to you in post 99?
I believe the most reasonable explanation is that the story of creation, in fact much of the Bible, is a parable. As you know, Jesus used parables often to explain complex issues to a large and intellectually varied audience. Wouldnt God do the same to give ancient man a road map for the understanding of his origins? In your two thoughtful examples, a light is something that presents illumination, and a day is a much longer period of time, representing a single but significant work period by God.
With regards to the issue of homosexuality, even in the context of a parable, a bad thing is still a bad thing. Black is not white and wet is not dry.
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What standard would you propose for a collection of books by scores of authors, written over several millenia?
[1]A light and a reflecting orb are two different things. A day is a day. It is nowhere defined as the time for which a significant work is done but in the creative mind and imagination of Bible apologists.
.[2] I already established that the Bible is technically wrong and inconsistent. .
[3] You speak of parables. How convenient. So, some parts of this infallible book are to be taken literally and some parts are not to be taken literally. What a cop-out. [4] Anyway, how is calling the moon and sun both lights a parable?
[5] Here are some ethics. Read Matthew 5:27-30. If you admire a womans form are you committing adultery? Read Matthew 5:31-32. A man can only divorce wife for fornication. Do you really hold that belief too? Matthew 19:3-9 says that a man who divorces and remarries is adulterer.
[6] Here are some inconsistent historic facts. How did Saul die? According to 1 Samuel 31:4-6 and 1 Chronicles 10:4, he committed suicide. According to 2 Samuel 1:8-10 he was killed by an Amalekite. According to 2 Samuel 21:12, Saul was killed by the Philistines. According to 1 Chronicles 10:14, God killed him.
Oh, yeah. These are just parables. Face it. It is obvious that the Bible is full of absurdities and inconsistencies. I have not even scratched the surface.
Correct. Please answer Q in 100.
Did you expect the story of the creation of man to start with: well, first I invented amino acids? Ancient man would not have understood.
Its very easy to tell the difference. When God says thou shalt not.. its obvious that this is a literal meaning. When the words are abstract than there is a deeper meaning.
They (the sun and the moon) both shine light.
[NIV]27"You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.'[e] 28But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. You misrepresented this passage. If you were seeking the truth you would not have done that.
[NIV 2 Samuel 1]
1 Samuel 31:4-6 and 1 Chronicles 10:4, just gives more detail, with the Amalekite putting poor Saul out of his misery.
[NIV 1 Chronicles 10] Saul took his own sword and fell on it.
[1]Ancient man, or at least men during the time of Moses, understood the difference between a day and many days. If it took a long time for God to create the heavens and the earth, I would expect the Bible to say that it took a long time.
[2]The statements in Matthew are very clear and not abstract. Fornication is fornication. Divorce is divorce.
[3]The sun and the moon are not both lights.
[4]So is it a sin to watch porn? Why dont you list all of the things that Im allowed to do without sinning and all of the things that I am forbidden to do.
[5]Did Saul put the sword through himself or did the Amalekite put the sword through Saul? Perhaps they were both holding the sword handle. Come on. The Bible is inconsistent.
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[6]Here is one contradiction that is not abstract. It deals with specific numbers. See it at http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/300or800.html
Perhaps your precious perfect Bible has been corrupted or something or this is merely another parable not to be taken literally. Perhaps 800 or 300 merely mean many people just as a day is not really a day but a long time.
[7]When you finish trying to weasel out of that one, look at http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/300or800.html
How do you know what ancient man thought? Without a reference of millions of years a long time could be construed as a much shorter time period.
You didnt comment on specifics, and it therefore appears that you have lost your argument yet are afraid to admit this.
You need to address the issue that I raised instead of repeating your old argument.
You need to study the Bible yourself. Im not going to codify it for you.
Did you read the links that you referenced? The story is clear.
Adino killed 800, one at a time. Jashobeam killed 300 all at once.