Go Fund Me took the Canadian truckers money and will be giving it to their approved charities.

[Smokin' OP]

I work on a vessel that, at the time, had a crew of eight. All but the captain were unvaxed. Four of the crew members ended up getting Covid. The first one had to quarantine in his stateroom but it made the rounds anyway. The second guy started feeling punky so he quarantined in his room. To make a long story short, hey all survived and with the exception of one, they all had mild symptoms that amounted to nothing more than losing taste and smell. I didn't get it at all or if I did, I was asymptomatic.

I'm sure there are more horror stories like Delarue's but there are just as many, if not more, with happy outcomes.

Five of my neighbors had covid, two died, three survived....................."success".

Covid is not as deadly as the paranoids make it out to be.

6 million people would disagree if they could, they can't.

"Because they can" is not an answer.

Yes, it is, you just don't like the answer.
Companies reserve the right to refuse service.

That may or may not be true but the fact remains that that's what people were led to believe at the time.

Do you think the people making those claims had a crystal ball or still do?

Did I or did I not already say they have the legal right to deny healthcare?


That's not receiving healthcare.

No, shit.
Didn't say it was, no one blocked their right to access.

If healthcare is a right

It isn't.

then does it matter if my doctor refuses me as long as the hospital or someone gives it?

What if several hospitals or doctors can't or refuse?

Wrong. What you described is not healthcare.

You keep confusing a right to healthcare with healthcare is a right.

As I understand it, no one can be denied healthcare. You may end up at a second rate charity hospital or something but you can't be denied, even if you can't pay for it.

You're coming around to my point.

"You may end up".
What about the other facilities that denied you healthcare?

Being full, no doctors available, no nurses available, no more beds in ICU, etc.

 

[Smokin' OP]

1) I am in no way involved with this trucker protest or MAGA, etc.

2) Totalitarian Left uses the same tactics to silence Independents.

3) Hopefully Conservatives and Independents will find the will to boycott anyone who employs supporters of Leftist Cancel Culture.

So, you whine about "leftist" cancel culture, then call for boycotts?

Many Independents would be happy to. Sadly, Conservatives are not there yet.

 

[Uncensored2008]

January 13 2022
A Milwaukee man has opened up about how COVID-19 wiped off his entire immediate family within weeks, leaving him a "sole survivor." All of them were unvaccinated.

John Delarue told WTMJ-TV his family consisting of his parents and sister, who was legally blind, were getting ready to celebrate Christmas when COVID struck.

John lived on the ground floor of a duplex owned by his parents James and Susan Delarue. His sister Lynn Delarue lived with their parents, who were also their primary caregivers.

His mother was the first one to fall ill on Dec. 11. John was home when he heard a thud. He rushed to find out what made the noise when he saw that his mother had collapsed. "I thought she was having a heart attack, so I called 911," John told the news outlet.

To his shock, he found out that his mother had COVID. She was immediately put in the COVID ICU. "I talked to my mom. It was the day before they intubated her, and she told me that her nurse and doctors recommended that if my dad and sister were feeling sick that they should get to the hospital right away," he added.



Because they can, they are in private practice, they have a right to protect themselves and their staff.

YOU DON'T.
A shot doesn't protect them, their immune system does, the shot elevates your immune system.

That's your opinion, theirs and the laws that be, disagrees.

Correct.
You have the right to walk in any hospital, for an evaluation.
You have a right to schedule an appointment with any private practitioner.
NO ONE is preventing a person from doing that.

I wish I were unless you are dying, that's how the greatest healthcare system in the world operates.
If you call your doctor claiming you have a gut wound and bleeding out, the doctor will call for or tell you to call an ambulance to take you to the hospital.
So, did that doctor deny you healthcare because he/she didn't drive right over and operate on you, in your garage?

They do, see above.

WOW, are you in for a big surprise.

Correct..........................the greatest healthcare system in the world.

Crap, so the Wuhan Designer Virus® is like 99% fatal then?

You wouldn't lie to try and gain power for your Reich, would you?

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Five of my neighbors had covid, two died, three survived....................."success".

Four of my coworkers had Covid, all survived. Success.

For every story of Covid tragedy, there are ten stories with happy endings or just turn out to be non-events.

Having said that, no one is arguing that Covid can be deadly, that's not the point. The question is, is it deadly enough and is the shot effective enough to warrant doctors turning away unvaxed patients or the government coercing us via our employers by threat of taking away our jobs? I don't think so.

6 million people would disagree if they could, they can't.

And even more would agree because they can.

Yes, it is, you just don't like the answer.
Companies reserve the right to refuse service.

No, it is not an answer. It is simply a reaffirmation that they have the legal right to do so. It does not answer the question as to whether they are justified through reason, logic or critical thinking about what we know about the virus and the effectiveness of the shot. Again, I don't think so.

Do you think the people making those claims had a crystal ball or still do?

Of course not. But do you think they should have imposed lockdowns and mandates that virtually killed the economy and created a whole host of new problems such as suicides, murder-suicides, divorces, skyrocketing crime, public assaults on planes and in restaurants knowing virtually nothing about the virus or whether the shot would work?

No, shit.
Didn't say it was, no one blocked their right to access.

"Access" suggests that they can actually receive it. What you're saying is that people have the right to ask for it or just look at it. "We can tell you what's wrong with you but we won't do anything about it."

It isn't.

What if several hospitals or doctors can't or refuse?

Are you telling me that a person with Covid and severe symptoms can be turned away from every hospital or clinic?

You keep confusing a right to healthcare with healthcare is a right.

You're coming around to my point.

"You may end up".
What about the other facilities that denied you healthcare?

Being full, no doctors available, no nurses available, no more beds in ICU, etc.

I think we're talking about two different things. I'm talking about people who have Covid. Can they be turned away?

As for unvaxed, does it make sense for a doctor to turn away an unvaxed patient even if the patient is seeking care for something else entirely?

My problem with all of this is what I see as the self righteous moral posturing behind doctors refusing unvaxed patients.

Covid became a moral and political issue as soon as the government started with the mandates and then pushed an improperly tested and hasty "vaccine" that turned out to be anything but with unforeseen side effects.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

For every story of Covid tragedy, there are ten stories with happy endings or just turn out to be non-events.

You seem to have misspelled “thousands of”.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

You seem to have misspelled “thousands of”.

You may be right but I think he gets the idea. At least I hope he does.

 

[Man of Ethics]

So, you whine about "leftist" cancel culture, then call for boycotts?

Absolutely. It is sad that Cancel Culture tactics are used. But as long as Progressives use these tactics, Conservatives and Independents have no option to not respond in kind.

 

[Smokin' OP]

Crap, so the Wuhan Designer Virus® is like 99% fatal then?

That's what you got out of that?
MORON.

You wouldn't lie to try and gain power for your Reich, would you?

YOU would and do.

 

[Smokin' OP]

Four of my coworkers had Covid, all survived. Success.

For every story of Covid tragedy, there are ten stories with happy endings or just turn out to be non-events.

The same happens with the flu.
People still get a flu shot every year.

Having said that, no one is arguing that Covid can be deadly, that's not the point. The question is, is it deadly enough and is the shot effective enough to warrant doctors turning away unvaxed patients

That's up to the doctor, for some, yes it is.

or the government coercing us via our employers by threat of taking away our jobs? I don't think so.

I think so.
An employer has a right to keep themselves, their employees, and their customers safe.
Just like smoking, drinking or doing drugs on the job, unvaxxed people or people with covid put everyone else, at risk.

And even more would agree because they can.


No, it is not an answer.

Yes, it is, you just don't like it.

It is simply a reaffirmation that they have the legal right to do so. It does not answer the question as to whether they are justified through reason, logic or critical thinking about what we know about the virus and the effectiveness of the shot. Again, I don't think so.

Yes, they do.
The law backs them up, you can always go to the hospital.

Of course not. But do you think they should have imposed lockdowns and mandates that virtually killed the economy and created a whole host of new problems such as suicides, murder-suicides, divorces, skyrocketing crime, public assaults on planes and in restaurants knowing virtually nothing about the virus or whether the shot would work?

What would you have them do?
The last pandemic in 1918, they had lockdowns to curb the spread of the Spanish flu.
It was only 6 weeks and people freak out?
Wonder what percent of those who flipped out, are "preppers"?
Prepared to spend years in a bunker.

So, profits over people?

"Access" suggests that they can actually receive it. What you're saying is that people have the right to ask for it or just look at it. "We can tell you what's wrong with you but we won't do anything about it."

YES, that's the way it is.

Are you telling me that a person with Covid and severe symptoms can be turned away from every hospital or clinic?

No, not every one.

I think we're talking about two different things. I'm talking about people who have Covid. Can they be turned away?

They can and are.

As for unvaxed, does it make sense for a doctor to turn away an unvaxed patient even if the patient is seeking care for something else entirely?

That is up to the practitioner.
Some practitioners did the same with AIDS patients.

My problem with all of this is what I see as the self righteous moral posturing behind doctors refusing unvaxed patients.

Likely, they feel the same about, the self-righteous people that are unvaxxed.
They wouldn't be doing it otherwise.

Covid became a moral and political issue as soon as the government started with the mandates

No, it became political, when Trump downplayed the entire thing, his cult followed suit, just as they are now.

and then pushed an improperly tested and hasty "vaccine" that turned out to be anything but with unforeseen side effects.

You just don't know how vaccines work.

 

[Smokin' OP]

Absolutely. It is sad that Cancel Culture tactics are used. But as long as Progressives use these tactics, Conservatives and Independents have no option to not respond in kind.

Everyone has the option NOT to use a product or service.

 

[Uncensored2008]

That's what you got out of that?
MORON.

It's what you implied.

Panic porn is what you Nazis use to control the rules.

Problem is, people are over your lies.

YOU would and do.

Whole families WIPED out because they didn't obey Xi's man. OBEY or DIE....

Fucking Nazi moron.

 

[Smokin' OP]

It's what you implied.

I did NOT.................LIAR.
That's what you stated.

Panic porn is what you Nazis use to control the rules.

Problem is, people are over your lies.

Trumptards lie worse than their dear leader.

Whole families WIPED out because they didn't obey Xi's man. OBEY or DIE....

Good riddance.

Fucking Nazi moron.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

The same happens with the flu.
People still get a flu shot every year.

And yet we have no mandates or societal or governmental pressure to take a flu shot.

That's up to the doctor, for some, yes it is.

Which only tells me that opinions and thoughts on the matter are subjective.

I think so.
An employer has a right to keep themselves, their employees, and their customers safe.

Again, all you're telling me is that they have the legal right, based on an opinion, to deny patients. The question is, is the virus that deadly or is the shot that effective to reasonably and logically deny healthcare to unvaxed patients or threaten to take their jobs?

Let me make something clear at this point because you don't seem to grasp where I'm coming from and you just keep repeating that they have the legal right. When I say "are they justified...", I don't mean in the legal sense, I mean are they justified in principle.

In other words, does it make logical sense to deny unvaxed patients given that the vaccinated can still get infected, still transmit it and still die from it?

Just like smoking, drinking or doing drugs on the job, unvaxxed people or people with covid put everyone else, at risk.

Given that vaxed can still get it, so do they.

Yes, it is, you just don't like it.

No, it's not. Your response is an answer to the question: "Can they legally deny patients...?". The answer is "Yes" and I already know this. But that is not my question.

Yes, they do.
The law backs them up, you can always go to the hospital.

Again with the law. I'm not talking about the law, I'm talking about common sense and principles.

What would you have them do?

Who said they had to DO anything?

In my fifty eight years on this spinning rock, I have come to learn that people, as a species, are stupid. I like what K (Tommy Lee Jones) said in response to J's (Will Smith) question as to why not tell the people about the aliens, people are smart.: "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals."

That said, Americans are easily panicked and want the government to do something - anything - no matter how foolish, stupid or ineffective it is in the long run. The smart thing to do is to make decisions based on what you know, not what you don't. What's worse, they acted as if they knew what they were doing but they never did.

The last pandemic in 1918, they had lockdowns to curb the spread of the Spanish flu.
It was only 6 weeks and people freak out?

Not quite true. California's was sixty four weeks, Illinois' was ten weeks and New York's was twelve.

But none of that has anything to do with my point. My point had nothing to do with the way people reacted to the lockdown mandates but rather, the effect the lockdowns had on peoples' psyches, mental health and emotional wellbeing. In that sense, the lockdowns were a disaster.

Wonder what percent of those who flipped out, are "preppers"?
Prepared to spend years in a bunker.

What difference does it make?

So, profits over people?

What do profits have to do with skyrocketing murders, suicides and assaults?

YES, that's the way it is.

No, not every one.

They can and are.

Why?

I can think of no other reason for turning away an infected unvaxed Covid patient other than punishment.

That is up to the practitioner.
Some practitioners did the same with AIDS patients.

That doesn't answer the question and I'm not asking the practitioner anyway, I'm asking you: Does it make sense for a doctor to turn away an unvaxed patient even if the patient is not infected and is seeking care for something else entirely?

Likely, they feel the same about, the self-righteous people that are unvaxxed.
They wouldn't be doing it otherwise.

My refusal to get the shot is not a moral imposition or judgment on anyone. A doctor's refusal to treat an unvaxed yet uninfected patient is.

No, it became political, when Trump downplayed the entire thing, his cult followed suit, just as they are now.

And Biden called Rittenhouse a white supremacist long before all the facts were generally known and before Kyle was acquitted. So what?

You just don't know how vaccines work.

Whether I do or do not, I know that it was not properly tested and my overall feeling about the release of the vaccine was that they rushed it out because people are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and wanted the government to "DO SOMETHING!!".

 

[Uncensored2008]

I did NOT.................LIAR.

Awww, fucking nazi...

{A Milwaukee man has opened up about how COVID-19 wiped off his entire immediate family within weeks, leaving him a "sole survivor." All of them were unvaccinated.}

How many out of how many?

EVERYONE GUNNA DIE....

That's what you stated.

Trumptards lie worse than their dear leader.

Good riddance.

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You Nazi vermin know that with 99.3% survival rates, your power over the proles is gone. Your mRNA shit doesn't do a fucking thing other than cause heart attacks in teens. Your power is failing.

You need fear if you're going to rule. So rubes like you tell anecdotes like this. to desperately try and create panic.

It doesn't work anymore.

 

[Man of Ethics]

Everyone has the option NOT to use a product or service.

Hopefully Conservatives and Independents will organize to reasonably avoid using products and services of businesses which employ Totalitarian Leftists.

I do not mean all Leftists -- just those who support Cancel Culture.

 

[Smokin' OP]

Awww, fucking nazi...

{A Milwaukee man has opened up about how COVID-19 wiped off his entire immediate family within weeks, leaving him a "sole survivor." All of them were unvaccinated.}

How many out of how many?

I didn't make any conclusions like that, you fucking moron, YOU did.

EVERYONE GUNNA DIE....

You Nazi vermin know that with 99.3% survival rates, your power over the proles is gone. Your mRNA shit doesn't do a fucking thing other than cause heart attacks in teens. Your power is failing.

There you go again retard.
Just because the Trump virus is survivable doesn't mean people are symptom-free.
12.5 cases of heart inflammation, not fucking heart attacks, per million.
Covid weakens the heart muscle too.

You need fear if you're going to rule. So rubes like you tell anecdotes like this. to desperately try and create panic.

It doesn't work anymore.

ANYMORE?
It never worked on idiots.

 

[Smokin' OP]

Hopefully Conservatives and Independents will organize to reasonably avoid using products and services of businesses which employ Totalitarian Leftists.

I do not mean all Leftists -- just those who support Cancel Culture.

Hopefully, conservatives, (real conservatives) independents and democrats will avoid using the companies and their products that still give their $$$ to the authoritarian republicans that wanted to overthrow the election and support cancel culture.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Everyone has the option NOT to use a product or service.

You mean like the Trump vaccines, Herr Nazi?

 

[Uncensored2008]

I didn't make any conclusions like that, you fucking moron, YOU did.

There you go again retard.
Just because the Trump virus is survivable doesn't mean people are symptom-free.
12.5 cases of heart inflammation, not fucking heart attacks, per million.
Covid weakens the heart muscle too.


ANYMORE?
It never worked on idiots.

Sadly it worked well enough that we allowed you Nazis to utterly destroy our economy.

We are STILL 28 million jobs under where we were before the bioattack by China.

 

[Smokin' OP]

You mean like the Trump vaccines, Herr Nazi?

That too, communist moron.