Global Warming is REAL!-- and not just on Earth

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    Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming, Scientist Says
    SPACE.com -- New Storm on Jupiter Hints at Climate Change
    MIT researcher finds evidence of global warming on Neptune's largest moon
    I dunno. Is my car exhaust reaching other planets too?

    If other panetary bodies are showing the effects of warming could that mean that something else is causing global warming? like the Sun maybe?
     
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    The warmists spent YEARS denying the sun had anything at all to do with warming. Now they are claiming that the sun is the reason we are not warming like before.

    In other words, any lie is good enough for them.
     
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    So who does the IPCC look to for insight on the solar side of the equation? Judith Lean.

    boy, it sure seems rather incestuous over on the Global Warming side. wasn't there a big flap just recently about global warmers being put in charge of the investigation into global warmer misconduct, in which the global warmers were found un-guilty of malfeasance, and the science was declared a non issue?
     
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    I think they fell in love with their pretty little theories and computer simulations. Unfortunately, when the idea fell apart they just couldn't bring themselves to scrap it and start over again. especially when there was funding to be had to keep their old theories alive. zombie science.
     
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    How active is the martian environment?

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    yes, and it'll never pass inspection like that

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    Global warming on Mars, ice caps melting

    The empirical evidence isn't conclusive on whether global warming is happening on Mars. However, to answer the question on whether the sun is causing Earth's global warming, there is plentiful data on solar activity and Earth's climate. Many papers have examined this data, concluding the correlation between sun and climate ended in the 70's when the modern global warming trend began.

    So the argument that Martian warming disproves anthropogenic global warming fails on two points - there is little empirical evidence that Mars is warming and Mars' climate is primarily driven by dust and albedo, not solar variations
     
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    Global warming on other planets in the solar system

    Other planets are warming

    "Evidence that CO2 is not the principle driver of warming on this planet is provided by the simultaneous warming of other planets and moons in our solar system, despite the fact that they obviously have no anthropogenic emissions of greenhouse gases. Mars, Triton, Pluto and Jupiter all show global warming, pointing to the Sun as the dominating influence in determining climate throughout the solar system." (Ian McClintock)

    What the science says...
    There are three fundamental flaws in the 'other planets are warming' argument. Not all planets in the solar system are warming. The sun has shown no long term trend since 1950 and in fact has shown a slight cooling trend in recent decades. There are explanations for why other planets are warming.


    The basis of this argument is that the sun must be causing global warming and in fact, warming throughout the solar system. There are several flaws in this line of thought. Firstly, the characterisation that the whole solar system is warming is erroneous. Around 6 planets or moons out of the more than 100 bodies in the solar system have been observed to be warming. On the other hand, Uranus is cooling (Young 2001).

    Secondly, the theory that a brightening sun is causing global warming falls apart when you consider the sun has shown little to no trend since the 1950s. A variety of independent measurements of solar activity including satellite data, sunspot numbers, UV levels and solar magnetograms all paint a consistent picture. Over the last 35 years of global warming, sun and climate have been moving in opposite directions.
     
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    Let's see. Things are warming up because the sun is putting out more energy. Except it is putting out less. Even according to the dingbat Watts, this is the case.

    So how are these planets warming because of an increase in solar energy when the output of the sun, the TSI, is less? Fellows, this is pretty pathetic arguementation on your part.


    NASA Headline: Deep Solar Minimum | Watts Up With That?

    A 12-year low in solar “irradiance”: Careful measurements by several NASA spacecraft show that the sun’s brightness has dropped by 0.02% at visible wavelengths and a whopping 6% at extreme UV wavelengths since the solar minimum of 1996. These changes are not enough to reverse the course of global warming, but there are some other, noticeable side-effects: Earth’s upper atmosphere is heated less by the sun and it is therefore less “puffed up.” Satellites in low Earth orbit experience less atmospheric drag, extending their operational lifetimes. That’s the good news. Unfortunately, space junk also remains longer in Earth orbit, increasing hazards to spacecraft and satellites.
     
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    I'd like to believe you Old Rocks. But I keep hearing stories about 'corrections' being added to original data that always seem to swing the results into line with Global Warmer predictions.

    And as to Mars, so what if the primary factors of that planet's climate are albedo and dust? Are you really saying that the Sun's (uncorrected, of course) output does not affect it? hahahaha
     

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