Gerrymandering: Supreme Court Ruling Will Decide.

[rickm19]

Here is an idea! how bout we get rid of the electoral colleges all together and let the nation vote as a whole! The electoral college is designed to manipulate the voters representation. It is time for reformation! Also we need to stop following so blindly to any one party and just be human with our own views and opinions for every situation. Work together to come up with the best solution based on ALL the information. Let the people have a say!

how bout we get rid of the electoral colleges all together and let the nation vote as a whole!

Seal the border, boot the illegals and mandate voter ID and you have a deal.

Yeah, get rid of the Electoral College.

Let the ghettos is the top 20 cities run the country.

That's the ticket.

Now we all know the ghettos don't care so most of them don't even vote or hell know when election day is.. All they care about is their precious drugs.

Obama is proof that is not true.

How so? You really think the slum waste their time walking to the polls? And either way the ghettos wouldn't run the country. They just potentially choose who their so called representative is. Now I didn't vote for Obama and almost didn't vote cause neither were a really good choice. What is it only 60% of Americans cast a vote on election day? Who do you think those 40% are that don't vote? Sure as hell aint the ones too high to get up and move. He just knew how to sway the minds on all levels. And of course if your a dem you will vote for him. That is why we need to get rid of the political parties and just be people with views and opinions.

 

[JakeStarkey]

George Washington would certainly agree with you, if he were alive.

And you have as much hope of that happening as did George.

 

[longknife]

Here is an idea! how bout we get rid of the electoral colleges all together and let the nation vote as a whole! The electoral college is designed to manipulate the voters representation. It is time for reformation! Also we need to stop following so blindly to any one party and just be human with our own views and opinions for every situation. Work together to come up with the best solution based on ALL the information. Let the people have a say!

how bout we get rid of the electoral colleges all together and let the nation vote as a whole!

Seal the border, boot the illegals and mandate voter ID and you have a deal.

Yeah, get rid of the Electoral College.

Let the ghettos is the top 20 cities run the country.

That's the ticket.

Now we all know the ghettos don't care so most of them don't even vote or hell know when election day is.. All they care about is their precious drugs.

Obama is proof that is not true.

How so? You really think the slum waste their time walking to the polls? And either way the ghettos wouldn't run the country. They just potentially choose who their so called representative is. Now I didn't vote for Obama and almost didn't vote cause neither were a really good choice. What is it only 60% of Americans cast a vote on election day? Who do you think those 40% are that don't vote? Sure as hell aint the ones too high to get up and move. He just knew how to sway the minds on all levels. And of course if your a dem you will vote for him. That is why we need to get rid of the political parties and just be people with views and opinions.

60% of Americans voting? You gotta be kidding!

Less than HALF of those eligible to vote have bothered to register to vote. And,. when it comes time to go to the polls, less than HALF of registered voters bother to go to the polls and cast a ballot. So, when someone wins a MAJORITY is the popular vote - it really means they have received far less than 25% of those who can - and should - vote!!!!!

 

[Nyvin]

how bout we get rid of the electoral colleges all together and let the nation vote as a whole!

Seal the border, boot the illegals and mandate voter ID and you have a deal.

Yeah, get rid of the Electoral College.

Let the ghettos is the top 20 cities run the country.

That's the ticket.

Now we all know the ghettos don't care so most of them don't even vote or hell know when election day is.. All they care about is their precious drugs.

Obama is proof that is not true.

How so? You really think the slum waste their time walking to the polls? And either way the ghettos wouldn't run the country. They just potentially choose who their so called representative is. Now I didn't vote for Obama and almost didn't vote cause neither were a really good choice. What is it only 60% of Americans cast a vote on election day? Who do you think those 40% are that don't vote? Sure as hell aint the ones too high to get up and move. He just knew how to sway the minds on all levels. And of course if your a dem you will vote for him. That is why we need to get rid of the political parties and just be people with views and opinions.

60% of Americans voting? You gotta be kidding!

Less than HALF of those eligible to vote have bothered to register to vote. And,. when it comes time to go to the polls, less than HALF of registered voters bother to go to the polls and cast a ballot. So, when someone wins a MAJORITY is the popular vote - it really means they have received far less than 25% of those who can - and should - vote!!!!!

It isn't 60%...but your numbers are way off. Voter turnout is the percentage of eligible voters that vote. It has no relation to those that are registered.

The 2008 election had 58% voter turnout, and the 2012 election had 55% turnout. The 2014 midterms had about 36% voter turnout by comparison, which is the lowest percentage in 72 years.

 

[longknife]

Check this out:

The Rising American Electorate: Significantly Under-Registered

Large percentages of the groups that make up the RAE are not registered to vote. As of 2012:

• 31 percent of unmarried women who are eligible are not registered, representing 28 percent of all unregistered citizens.
• 42 percent of young people between 18 and 29 who are eligible are not registered, representing 31 percent of all unregistered citizens.
• 41 percent of African Americans who are eligible are not registered, representing 12 percent of all unregistered citizens.
• 41 percent of Latinos who are eligible are not registered, representing 16 percent of all unregistered citizens.

This comes from The Rising American Electorate - Voter Participation Center

I STILL claim that only a very small percentage of Americans actually elected our current federal officials.

 

[Nyvin]

Check this out:

The Rising American Electorate: Significantly Under-Registered

Large percentages of the groups that make up the RAE are not registered to vote. As of 2012:

• 31 percent of unmarried women who are eligible are not registered, representing 28 percent of all unregistered citizens.
• 42 percent of young people between 18 and 29 who are eligible are not registered, representing 31 percent of all unregistered citizens.
• 41 percent of African Americans who are eligible are not registered, representing 12 percent of all unregistered citizens.
• 41 percent of Latinos who are eligible are not registered, representing 16 percent of all unregistered citizens.

This comes from The Rising American Electorate - Voter Participation Center

I STILL claim that only a very small percentage of Americans actually elected our current federal officials.

You're factually wrong. In 2012 129 million votes were cast. The total amount of eligible voters was 235 million. It's simple math.

129,000,000 / 235,000,000 = ~55%

The only way possible that a "very small percentage" voted is if the total population of the United States was upwards of 600 Million or so, which would give you the 25% from the 129 Million ballots that we counted in 2012, after you discount children and felons and others unqualified to vote from the 600 Million.

The 129 million number is not debatable, it's statistics....they counted the ballots and that's how they determined who won. It's set in stone and from there it's just a matter of counting the number of people who were eligible to vote. We know the total US population was around 315 million at the time so......................

 

[Wry Catcher]

4. Outcomes Don’t Match Votes.
The goal of gerrymandering is to make sure that votes for the opposing party lead to as few seats as possible for them. The results are indisputable. During the 2012 election, following an aggressive Republican gerrymander in the state, more than half of North Carolina voters cast ballots for Democratic candidates for Congress. Nonetheless, Republicans took 70 percent of seats. In Pennsylvania, Democrats won about half of all votes cast for Congress but won only a quarter of the seats drawn by the Republican legislature. In Maryland, Democrats drew one of the most gerrymandered districts in America and succeeded in winning 88 percent of the state’s congressional districts despite winning only 62 percent of votes. Illinois Democrats drew districts so effective at wasting Republican votes that they won two-thirds of the state’s congressional districts with only 54 percent of the vote.

Both sides are guilty of it. Gerrymandering must end. The time for public outcry is now.

You can't end gerrymandering, it'll reduce minority representation.

Explain how, if you can which I very much doubt.

 

[Wry Catcher]

"The California Citizens Redistricting Commission is the redistricting organization for the state of California. It is responsible for determining the boundaries for the Senate, Assembly, and Board of Equalization districts in the state. The 14-member commission consists of five Democrats, five Republicans, and four commissioners from neither major party. The commission was authorized following the passage of California Proposition 11, the Voters First Act, by voters in November 2008.[1] The commissioners were selected in November and December 2010 and were required to complete the new maps by August 15, 2011.[2]

"Following the 2010 passage of California Proposition 20, the Voters First Act for Congress, the Commission was also assigned the responsibility of redrawing the state's U.S.congressional district boundaries in response to the congressional apportionment necessitated by the 2010 United States Census. The Commission has faced opposition from politicians because "many safe seats in the Legislature could suddenly become competitive."[3]"

See more @ California Citizens Redistricting Commission - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[peach174]

I think they should just take a grid - lay it over a map - and use that to create districts.

That would be unconstitutional.

Districts are to be alike in size of population, not land size.

Baker v Carr, if you are interested.

Somebody has to draw these lines, the party in power calls it redistricting, the party out of power calls it gerrymandering.

Libs never bitch when seats are created for Ellison, Waters, Jackson-Lee et al.

Gerrymandering has a distinct definition and it's gone to far with both parties. It needs to end.

I don't know how you can say that when the Census Bureau has favored the Dem's for 40 years in redistricting.
Now in 2010 when it favored the Rebus redistricting, gerrymandering is a problem?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

4. Outcomes Don’t Match Votes.
The goal of gerrymandering is to make sure that votes for the opposing party lead to as few seats as possible for them. The results are indisputable. During the 2012 election, following an aggressive Republican gerrymander in the state, more than half of North Carolina voters cast ballots for Democratic candidates for Congress. Nonetheless, Republicans took 70 percent of seats. In Pennsylvania, Democrats won about half of all votes cast for Congress but won only a quarter of the seats drawn by the Republican legislature. In Maryland, Democrats drew one of the most gerrymandered districts in America and succeeded in winning 88 percent of the state’s congressional districts despite winning only 62 percent of votes. Illinois Democrats drew districts so effective at wasting Republican votes that they won two-thirds of the state’s congressional districts with only 54 percent of the vote.

Both sides are guilty of it. Gerrymandering must end. The time for public outcry is now.

You can't end gerrymandering, it'll reduce minority representation.

Explain how, if you can which I very much doubt.

You need me to explain how ending gerrymandering will reduce minority representation in the US House and Senate? Seriously?

 

[Wry Catcher]

4. Outcomes Don’t Match Votes.
The goal of gerrymandering is to make sure that votes for the opposing party lead to as few seats as possible for them. The results are indisputable. During the 2012 election, following an aggressive Republican gerrymander in the state, more than half of North Carolina voters cast ballots for Democratic candidates for Congress. Nonetheless, Republicans took 70 percent of seats. In Pennsylvania, Democrats won about half of all votes cast for Congress but won only a quarter of the seats drawn by the Republican legislature. In Maryland, Democrats drew one of the most gerrymandered districts in America and succeeded in winning 88 percent of the state’s congressional districts despite winning only 62 percent of votes. Illinois Democrats drew districts so effective at wasting Republican votes that they won two-thirds of the state’s congressional districts with only 54 percent of the vote.

Both sides are guilty of it. Gerrymandering must end. The time for public outcry is now.

You can't end gerrymandering, it'll reduce minority representation.

Explain how, if you can which I very much doubt.

You need me to explain how ending gerrymandering will reduce minority representation in the US House and Senate? Seriously?

No, I understand your thinking, but you can't understand mine.

Would you like 10 black representatives in the H. or Rep., or a majority of representatives in the H. of Rep who support equal opportunity for all.