CDZ Germany Prosecutes Auschwitz Guard. Good Thing or Not?

[Delta4Embassy]

This, and other roles in the concentration camp system has no place in modern warfare so can see a need to prosecute such participants. They weren't acting in a soldier's role and soldier's around the world would take exception to them using that as a defense. They were simply criminals and thus should be prosecuted as criminals.

So by that logic.

All of the US Army guards at the Japanese American internment camps in California during WWII who are still alive should also be arrested and brought to trial. .....

Worth mentioning the US paid reparations for Japanese Internment. Yet has an objection for slavery reparations which WAS more like Nazi concentration camps.

 

[Camp]

This, and other roles in the concentration camp system has no place in modern warfare so can see a need to prosecute such participants. They weren't acting in a soldier's role and soldier's around the world would take exception to them using that as a defense. They were simply criminals and thus should be prosecuted as criminals.

So by that logic.

All of the US Army guards at the Japanese American internment camps in California during WWII who are still alive should also be arrested and brought to trial. .....

Worth mentioning the US paid reparations for Japanese Internment. Yet has an objection for slavery reparations which WAS more like Nazi concentration camps.

Who would you pay slave reparations to? They have been dead and buried for over a hundred years. Folks who were in Japanese internment camps are still alive. The reparations went directly to those who suffered financial loss and were interned.

 

[Syriusly]

The man was a patriotic hero who fought for his country against foreign invaders.

Sadly, the radical juden now want to smear his name and make him out to be a monster. ......

'a patriotic hero'- he collected the stolen belongings of Jews before they were murdered.

Nothing patriotic about that- he may have just been following orders- but nothing patriotic about watching his fellow troops bash babies heads in.

 

[Syriusly]

This, and other roles in the concentration camp system has no place in modern warfare so can see a need to prosecute such participants. They weren't acting in a soldier's role and soldier's around the world would take exception to them using that as a defense. They were simply criminals and thus should be prosecuted as criminals.

So by that logic.

All of the US Army guards at the Japanese American internment camps in California during WWII who are still alive should also be arrested and brought to trial. .....

Worth mentioning the US paid reparations for Japanese Internment. Yet has an objection for slavery reparations which WAS more like Nazi concentration camps.

We paid the survivors- I would be glad to pay reparations to any survivor of slavery in the United States.

 

[Manonthestreet]

I fail to see what is accomplished by this especially in light of the antisemitism that is currently promoted by most EU GOVTS.

 

[Ravi]

His job at the camp was to collect the suitcases and other belongings of people when they exited the train cars.

He was never involved with any alleged abuse of the inmates.

That is why no charges were brought against his by the Allies after the war.

Basically just a soldier following lawful orders. ......

You mean to confiscate property from people that were illegally detained and being sent illegally to their deaths.

There is no excuse unless he is mentally retarded and didn't know what he was doing. And that is not the case.

No they were legally detained and legally sent to their deaths. Germans are very law abiding.
That was his job. I really dont see a reason to prosecute him other than to put ona show.

You are okay with war crimes?

 

[FA_Q2]

Many German soldiers transferred to combat units on the eastern front rather than serve in the camps. The guards had safe jobs that kept them out of combat. In exchange they were required to assist in the murder, thievery and torture of innocents, including children. The men and women who chose to remain as guards were cowards and criminals. Allowing them to go unpunished is an insult to those who refused and instead chose to be soldiers bravely defending their country in combat or other capacities.

What I want to know is if this is universal. Are all guards that were not directly related to the killings being prosecuted? Are they prosecuting the janitors?

 

[chikenwing]

So Germany is putting a 93yr old man on trial for his role during the war at Auschwitz. His job was to collect money from the arriving Jews, most of whom were killed within hours of arrival.
My question is, is this really worthwhile? They will spend large amounts of money to prosecute an elderly man because he was basically in the wrong place at the wrong time on the wrong side. If he were complicit in raids that killed Jews or helped round them up, sure. Not much of an issue. But he has lived openly in Germany since the war and spoken about his role.
What will they punish him with? Life in prison? That's absurd for a 93yr old.
The best thing they could do is take a complete oral history from him of what exactly he did, why he did it, what the circumstances were, what he remembers from it and everything else they can think of. Then keep that oral history along with the other trillions of documents from that era to demonstrate to future generations that yes it really happened and here's why and here's why we cant let it happen again.

He was more than just a guard at the wrong place ,he was a card carrying Nazi,he knew what was going on,murder has no statues of limitations.

 

[Moonglow]

Too bad he wasn't a Scientist. He could have come over here and worked for NASA.

Or SS, so he could be employed to infiltrate Soviet operations..

 

[The Rabbi]

So Germany is putting a 93yr old man on trial for his role during the war at Auschwitz. His job was to collect money from the arriving Jews, most of whom were killed within hours of arrival.
My question is, is this really worthwhile? They will spend large amounts of money to prosecute an elderly man because he was basically in the wrong place at the wrong time on the wrong side. If he were complicit in raids that killed Jews or helped round them up, sure. Not much of an issue. But he has lived openly in Germany since the war and spoken about his role.
What will they punish him with? Life in prison? That's absurd for a 93yr old.
The best thing they could do is take a complete oral history from him of what exactly he did, why he did it, what the circumstances were, what he remembers from it and everything else they can think of. Then keep that oral history along with the other trillions of documents from that era to demonstrate to future generations that yes it really happened and here's why and here's why we cant let it happen again.

This, and other roles in the concentration camp system has no place in modern warfare so can see a need to prosecute such participants. They weren't acting in a soldier's role and soldier's around the world would take exception to them using that as a defense. They were simply criminals and thus should be prosecuted as criminals.

So we should prosecute the people who worked at the Japanese internment camps too?

 

[The Rabbi]

So Germany is putting a 93yr old man on trial for his role during the war at Auschwitz. His job was to collect money from the arriving Jews, most of whom were killed within hours of arrival.
My question is, is this really worthwhile? They will spend large amounts of money to prosecute an elderly man because he was basically in the wrong place at the wrong time on the wrong side. If he were complicit in raids that killed Jews or helped round them up, sure. Not much of an issue. But he has lived openly in Germany since the war and spoken about his role.
What will they punish him with? Life in prison? That's absurd for a 93yr old.
The best thing they could do is take a complete oral history from him of what exactly he did, why he did it, what the circumstances were, what he remembers from it and everything else they can think of. Then keep that oral history along with the other trillions of documents from that era to demonstrate to future generations that yes it really happened and here's why and here's why we cant let it happen again.

He was more than just a guard at the wrong place ,he was a card carrying Nazi,he knew what was going on,murder has no statues of limitations.

Whom should he have reported these murders to?

 

[Delta4Embassy]

So Germany is putting a 93yr old man on trial for his role during the war at Auschwitz. His job was to collect money from the arriving Jews, most of whom were killed within hours of arrival.
My question is, is this really worthwhile? They will spend large amounts of money to prosecute an elderly man because he was basically in the wrong place at the wrong time on the wrong side. If he were complicit in raids that killed Jews or helped round them up, sure. Not much of an issue. But he has lived openly in Germany since the war and spoken about his role.
What will they punish him with? Life in prison? That's absurd for a 93yr old.
The best thing they could do is take a complete oral history from him of what exactly he did, why he did it, what the circumstances were, what he remembers from it and everything else they can think of. Then keep that oral history along with the other trillions of documents from that era to demonstrate to future generations that yes it really happened and here's why and here's why we cant let it happen again.

This, and other roles in the concentration camp system has no place in modern warfare so can see a need to prosecute such participants. They weren't acting in a soldier's role and soldier's around the world would take exception to them using that as a defense. They were simply criminals and thus should be prosecuted as criminals.

So we should prosecute the people who worked at the Japanese internment camps too?

Is no comparison between American Japanese internment camps and Nazi concentration camps. Anyone attempting to make such a comparison is only revealing their utter lack of knowledge of the two.

 

[Camp]

Many German soldiers transferred to combat units on the eastern front rather than serve in the camps. The guards had safe jobs that kept them out of combat. In exchange they were required to assist in the murder, thievery and torture of innocents, including children. The men and women who chose to remain as guards were cowards and criminals. Allowing them to go unpunished is an insult to those who refused and instead chose to be soldiers bravely defending their country in combat or other capacities.

What I want to know is if this is universal. Are all guards that were not directly related to the killings being prosecuted? Are they prosecuting the janitors?

You think they had janitors? Pretty sure the janitors were the inmates.
Most of the guards that were captured had their cases adjudicated rather quickly. Some managed to escape capture and melted into the general population. Those are the ones we read about these many years later. They get discovered and brought to justice because of the commitments made to hunt them down forever, without exception. There are no doubt former guards who kept their mouths shut and secrets kept until their last dying breath. There are probably some other 93 year old fugitives in hiding. This will serve as a message to them to stay hidden.

 

[The Rabbi]

So Germany is putting a 93yr old man on trial for his role during the war at Auschwitz. His job was to collect money from the arriving Jews, most of whom were killed within hours of arrival.
My question is, is this really worthwhile? They will spend large amounts of money to prosecute an elderly man because he was basically in the wrong place at the wrong time on the wrong side. If he were complicit in raids that killed Jews or helped round them up, sure. Not much of an issue. But he has lived openly in Germany since the war and spoken about his role.
What will they punish him with? Life in prison? That's absurd for a 93yr old.
The best thing they could do is take a complete oral history from him of what exactly he did, why he did it, what the circumstances were, what he remembers from it and everything else they can think of. Then keep that oral history along with the other trillions of documents from that era to demonstrate to future generations that yes it really happened and here's why and here's why we cant let it happen again.

This, and other roles in the concentration camp system has no place in modern warfare so can see a need to prosecute such participants. They weren't acting in a soldier's role and soldier's around the world would take exception to them using that as a defense. They were simply criminals and thus should be prosecuted as criminals.

So we should prosecute the people who worked at the Japanese internment camps too?

Is no comparison between American Japanese internment camps and Nazi concentration camps. Anyone attempting to make such a comparison is only revealing their utter lack of knowledge of the two.

There are obviously points of comparison as well as very real differences. But if you want to argue that in war time it is illegal to round up civilians for any reason then we should prosecute the guards at the Jap internment camps as well. The British rounded up German nationals in WW2 as well. Perhaps they should be prosecuted too.

 

[The Rabbi]

Many German soldiers transferred to combat units on the eastern front rather than serve in the camps. The guards had safe jobs that kept them out of combat. In exchange they were required to assist in the murder, thievery and torture of innocents, including children. The men and women who chose to remain as guards were cowards and criminals. Allowing them to go unpunished is an insult to those who refused and instead chose to be soldiers bravely defending their country in combat or other capacities.

What I want to know is if this is universal. Are all guards that were not directly related to the killings being prosecuted? Are they prosecuting the janitors?

You think they had janitors? Pretty sure the janitors were the inmates.
Most of the guards that were captured had their cases adjudicated rather quickly. Some managed to escape capture and melted into the general population. Those are the ones we read about these many years later. They get discovered and brought to justice because of the commitments made to hunt them down forever, without exception. There are no doubt former guards who kept their mouths shut and secrets kept until their last dying breath. There are probably some other 93 year old fugitives in hiding. This will serve as a message to them to stay hidden.

This guy was hardly in hiding. He lived openly and spoke openly about what he had done. No one considered it a crime. It's not like John Demjanjuk who was really a criminal who hid his identity to emigrate here.

 

[Manonthestreet]

So Germany is putting a 93yr old man on trial for his role during the war at Auschwitz. His job was to collect money from the arriving Jews, most of whom were killed within hours of arrival.
My question is, is this really worthwhile? They will spend large amounts of money to prosecute an elderly man because he was basically in the wrong place at the wrong time on the wrong side. If he were complicit in raids that killed Jews or helped round them up, sure. Not much of an issue. But he has lived openly in Germany since the war and spoken about his role.
What will they punish him with? Life in prison? That's absurd for a 93yr old.
The best thing they could do is take a complete oral history from him of what exactly he did, why he did it, what the circumstances were, what he remembers from it and everything else they can think of. Then keep that oral history along with the other trillions of documents from that era to demonstrate to future generations that yes it really happened and here's why and here's why we cant let it happen again.

This, and other roles in the concentration camp system has no place in modern warfare so can see a need to prosecute such participants. They weren't acting in a soldier's role and soldier's around the world would take exception to them using that as a defense. They were simply criminals and thus should be prosecuted as criminals.

So we should prosecute the people who worked at the Japanese internment camps too?

Is no comparison between American Japanese internment camps and Nazi concentration camps. Anyone attempting to make such a comparison is only revealing their utter lack of knowledge of the two.

Might want to do some reading. . See Unbroken.

 

[FA_Q2]

Many German soldiers transferred to combat units on the eastern front rather than serve in the camps. The guards had safe jobs that kept them out of combat. In exchange they were required to assist in the murder, thievery and torture of innocents, including children. The men and women who chose to remain as guards were cowards and criminals. Allowing them to go unpunished is an insult to those who refused and instead chose to be soldiers bravely defending their country in combat or other capacities.

What I want to know is if this is universal. Are all guards that were not directly related to the killings being prosecuted? Are they prosecuting the janitors?

You think they had janitors? Pretty sure the janitors were the inmates.
Most of the guards that were captured had their cases adjudicated rather quickly. Some managed to escape capture and melted into the general population. Those are the ones we read about these many years later. They get discovered and brought to justice because of the commitments made to hunt them down forever, without exception. There are no doubt former guards who kept their mouths shut and secrets kept until their last dying breath. There are probably some other 93 year old fugitives in hiding. This will serve as a message to them to stay hidden.

Ones that are hidden are irrelevant – they are unknown. If what you say is true then I don’t see the problem with prosecuting him. He worked for and was complicit in a horrific institution. As long as the law is applied evenly there is cause to put him in prison.

 

[The Rabbi]

Many German soldiers transferred to combat units on the eastern front rather than serve in the camps. The guards had safe jobs that kept them out of combat. In exchange they were required to assist in the murder, thievery and torture of innocents, including children. The men and women who chose to remain as guards were cowards and criminals. Allowing them to go unpunished is an insult to those who refused and instead chose to be soldiers bravely defending their country in combat or other capacities.

What I want to know is if this is universal. Are all guards that were not directly related to the killings being prosecuted? Are they prosecuting the janitors?

You think they had janitors? Pretty sure the janitors were the inmates.
Most of the guards that were captured had their cases adjudicated rather quickly. Some managed to escape capture and melted into the general population. Those are the ones we read about these many years later. They get discovered and brought to justice because of the commitments made to hunt them down forever, without exception. There are no doubt former guards who kept their mouths shut and secrets kept until their last dying breath. There are probably some other 93 year old fugitives in hiding. This will serve as a message to them to stay hidden.

Ones that are hidden are irrelevant – they are unknown. If what you say is true then I don’t see the problem with prosecuting him. He worked for and was complicit in a horrific institution. As long as the law is applied evenly there is cause to put him in prison.

What he says is not true. Everyone knew about him but felt he had done nothing wrong.

 

[FA_Q2]

So Germany is putting a 93yr old man on trial for his role during the war at Auschwitz. His job was to collect money from the arriving Jews, most of whom were killed within hours of arrival.
My question is, is this really worthwhile? They will spend large amounts of money to prosecute an elderly man because he was basically in the wrong place at the wrong time on the wrong side. If he were complicit in raids that killed Jews or helped round them up, sure. Not much of an issue. But he has lived openly in Germany since the war and spoken about his role.
What will they punish him with? Life in prison? That's absurd for a 93yr old.
The best thing they could do is take a complete oral history from him of what exactly he did, why he did it, what the circumstances were, what he remembers from it and everything else they can think of. Then keep that oral history along with the other trillions of documents from that era to demonstrate to future generations that yes it really happened and here's why and here's why we cant let it happen again.

This, and other roles in the concentration camp system has no place in modern warfare so can see a need to prosecute such participants. They weren't acting in a soldier's role and soldier's around the world would take exception to them using that as a defense. They were simply criminals and thus should be prosecuted as criminals.

So we should prosecute the people who worked at the Japanese internment camps too?

Is no comparison between American Japanese internment camps and Nazi concentration camps. Anyone attempting to make such a comparison is only revealing their utter lack of knowledge of the two.

There are obviously points of comparison as well as very real differences. But if you want to argue that in war time it is illegal to round up civilians for any reason then we should prosecute the guards at the Jap internment camps as well. The British rounded up German nationals in WW2 as well. Perhaps they should be prosecuted too.

He didn’t work at a camp that rounded up people for any reason. He worked at a camp that rounded up people to burn and torture them to death in horrific ways.

 

[Ravi]

So Germany is putting a 93yr old man on trial for his role during the war at Auschwitz. His job was to collect money from the arriving Jews, most of whom were killed within hours of arrival.
My question is, is this really worthwhile? They will spend large amounts of money to prosecute an elderly man because he was basically in the wrong place at the wrong time on the wrong side. If he were complicit in raids that killed Jews or helped round them up, sure. Not much of an issue. But he has lived openly in Germany since the war and spoken about his role.
What will they punish him with? Life in prison? That's absurd for a 93yr old.
The best thing they could do is take a complete oral history from him of what exactly he did, why he did it, what the circumstances were, what he remembers from it and everything else they can think of. Then keep that oral history along with the other trillions of documents from that era to demonstrate to future generations that yes it really happened and here's why and here's why we cant let it happen again.

He was more than just a guard at the wrong place ,he was a card carrying Nazi,he knew what was going on,murder has no statues of limitations.

Whom should he have reported these murders to?

How about the Red Cross?