George W. Bush: The Pros and the Cons

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    He is the most powerful man in the world at this moment. I'd like to see if what people like in this man and his views and what people hate. I hoping for some plurality in views here.

    A few quick opinions myself:

    Pros:
    - Excellent orator geered towards to common man/woman
    - Has exceedingly intelligent staff for the most part
    - Appears to have high personal moral values and is very consistent with them


    Cons:
    - Deplorable attitude towards environmental issues
    - Polarizes his international allies and destabilizes western alliance system, with black or white view of the world (ie the only way to be truly friendly to the US is to agree with them on everything)
    - Spends more like a fiscal liberal than conservative, deplorable debt management ethos.

    Just some views! I think it would be great if EVERYONE could put both pros and cons. Give the debate some validity.
     
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    Pros:
    - Economy - I think his administration is responsible for upswing
    - Security - Lots of changes after 9/11, Iraq included, and I like his attitude
    - Capable leader
    - Disciplined
    - Great business sense
    - Strict on crime

    Cons:
    - Not the greatest public speaker


    I feel like a homer for not including more under the 'con' section but I honestly can't think of anything else right now. :)
     
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    Bush is the worst president I have seen at selling out America for his own personal gain.

    It seems as though politicians are getting away with ripping off the people more and more every year.
     
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    Just my 2c

    Pros:

    "- Excellent orator geered towards to common man/woman"

    Yes and no. Not very convincing unless he is personally engaged. The WOT speech given was one where you knew you had a leader with conviction and heart. But in other areas he sounds robotic and uninspiring. Still, you know he cares about the big issues.

    - Has exceedingly intelligent staff for the most part

    Most certainly. But they do clash (Rummy/Powell). Notice how Powell has fell in line with the rest of the heads since the UN evidence presentation, so obviously Bush had a "talk" with him. That is also a sign of his leadership.

    - Appears to have high personal moral values and is very consistent with them

    Oh I'm sure there is still some flaws, and some of the values are not considered quite moral by some (ie. Death Penalty).

    Cons:
    - Deplorable attitude towards environmental issues

    Not really. Just a realistic attitude about the severe handicap that adoption of certain non-mandatory treaties (ie Kyoto) would mean to the United States compared to those who don't even pretend to adopt it (ie. China).

    I prefer a president who doesn't surrender all our economic advantages to rapidly prospering, and still totalitarian countries who really don't give a shit about the evironment, and will spell our economic and perhaps our military defeat if we shoot ourselves in the foot trying to "save the doomed world" all by ourselves first.

    - Polarizes his international allies and destabilizes western alliance system, with black or white view of the world (ie the only way to be truly friendly to the US is to agree with them on everything)

    What I'm thinking you mean by black and white, is in fighting terrorism. Surely now that France opposed us on Iraq (why?), left NATO (Wait...they did that already NATO!), and is just disputing our methods not our intent to depose threats (surely the UN would have eventually), they are "against us". And they were so supportive of all our efforts before that!

    Now refusing to be part of treaties concieved of and to the benefit of Europe? Well that is just us being bully-like, right?


    - Spends more like a fiscal liberal than conservative, deplorable debt management ethos.

    Fact is the recent spending by the government on credit has only seen reverses in the economic slump. Lowing taxes in a recession, helps fund the next cyclical recovery in the private sector, where the deficit becomes a surplus which insures for the the next downturn.

    Also please remember it is CONGRESS, not BUSH, who handles our money. I can't say how many times I've had to point out this simple fact, let alone convince others the economy is indeed mostly independant of government action in a non-socialist government in the first place.
     
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    As a European my views are obviously coming from a different perspective to those of US citizens. However I do hope my comments are of interest

    Pros:
    - Excellent orator geered towards to common man/woman
    This is true although he is also portrayed as a Dan Quayle character due to his linguistic errors or inaccuracies.

    - Has exceedingly intelligent staff for the most part
    Generally people do not hold high office through being an idiot. However one or two members of staff do not project themselves too well, particularly Rumsfeld and Rice.

    - Appears to have high personal moral values and is very consistent with them
    Would not disagree.


    Cons:
    - Deplorable attitude towards environmental issues
    Undoubtedly true. Bush is getting very bad press over here on this issue at present.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3381425.stm

    - Polarizes his international allies and destabilizes western alliance system, with black or white view of the world (ie the only way to be truly friendly to the US is to agree with them on everything)
    He has certainly alienated much of Europe with this opinion and has a low rating in Britain as well. It does appear, though that, at the present time, Europe needs the support of the US rather than the opposite.

    - Spends more like a fiscal liberal than conservative, deplorable debt management ethos.
    Can't comment on this issue.
     
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    My only major beef with Bush is that he is a big-spending conservative. By this, I mean that he is more likely to spend money on gov't programs that seems more socially conservative (i.e. faith-based programs). He is not a fiscal conservative in the tradition of Ronald Reagan, who cut taxes considerably more than Bush has, and who wanted to halt all non-defense spending increases.
    If Bush would grow a pair and quit spending so much, I would love it. As it is though, he is the right man for the major task at hand - fighting terrorism.
     
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    Pros:

    1. I believe he has morals- I may not agree with everything for which he stands, but he seems to be wedded to a moral code. Before anyone complains about his drunk driving, etc., I'll just say that he learned from his mistakes. None of us walks with clean hands.

    2. I believe he is dedicated to his wife, children and family. There are many people for whom other things are more important but to show such dedication to your family - including your citizens if you will - shows me he's intelligent and powerful at the same time. I believe that how you treat your women is the single most indicative factor in a man's character.

    3. He hires and listens to qualified people.

    4. He is strong on national defense and taxes.

    5. He is leading towards economic recovery - you may not agree that his methods will work but that's semantics. He's greatly concerned about economic recovery and anti-big business corruption.

    6. He treats people equally...whether he's speaking with a king or a "commoner" he's just W. That may put off some, but I think he's completely without airs. And after 8 years of the high and mighty, it's refreshing to me.

    Cons:

    1. Way too soft on immigration problems.
    2. Way to generous to the poor, undeserving.
    3. Not enough creativity in searching for economic reforms.
    4. Allows people to criticize his rather mundane points by engaging them...if I were him, I'd just ignore the morons.
     
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    My take:

    Pros:

    - nice guy, seems to be genuinely nice and decent
    -assembled a good cabinet and staff, with Karl Rove being the primary power behind the power
    -good campaigner
    -effective in raising nation's morale after 9/11
    -good taste in women

    Cons:

    -can't deliver a speech without teleprompters or staff whispering in his ear - just reads it
    -has no clue how to deal with the rest of the world
    -too cozy with big business; allows them to make most policy decisions
    -deplorable record on the environment and economy
    -no fiscal responsibility - spends like it's going out of style and cuts taxes on the wealthy at the same time
    -can't listen to someone who disagrees with him without that arrogant smirk (ok. so that's my personal observation, and that smirk drives me nuts)
     
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    HowardDeanLies.com is a good site that deals with Mr. Dean's "loose lips".
     
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    Pros

    Follows his beliefs and governs accordingly

    Good speaker (replay post 911 speeches) definately from the heart, no teleprompters needed.

    America first....cant see much wrong with that

    Has done a good job with the economy

    Follows through on campaign promises


    Cons

    Spends like a democrat. Too much additional social spending.

    Immigration policy is lacking
     

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