Fuck the Confederacy

[Slash]

So it is OK with you that the USA had slavery for 89 years. But not OK that the Confederacy had slavery for 4 years.

Not at all. Not saying that's ok. Again, if you need to lie to make your point, you've invalidated your point.

 

[Scamp]

Most Northern States banned slavery DURING the revolutionary war. Washington was the US president in office when the USA banned the slave trade.

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The United States Congress passed the Slave Trade Act of 1794, which prohibited the building or outfitting of ships in the U.S. for use in the slave trade. In 1807 Congress outlawed the importation of slaves beginning on 1 January 1808, the earliest date permitted by the United States Constitution for such a ban.

Washington died in 1799.

 

[Slash]

The United States Congress passed the Slave Trade Act of 1794, which prohibited the building or outfitting of ships in the U.S. for use in the slave trade. In 1807 Congress outlawed the importation of slaves beginning on 1 January 1808, the earliest date permitted by the United States Constitution for such a ban.

Washington died in 1799.

Yup, there you go. 1794 was when no US ship could transport slaves.

And you are right, The northern states when putting the USA together had to strike a deal with the slave states that they wouldn't outright ban the slave trade with the south immediately. The moment that deal expired the Northern states pounced on the opportunity to end the slave trade with the South. Remember northern states in the US were banning the slave trade in the 1780's.

The south losing these fights right from the get go is a big reason for the division that caused the civil war.

 

[Scamp]

And the last recorded slave ship to bring slaves to the US was in 1859.

 

[Slash]

And the last recorded slave ship to bring slaves to the US was in 1859.

Yes it was. What is your point there?

 

[Scamp]

Banning the slave ships was not hardly enforced. The US Navy was busy with other things.

 

[Damaged Eagle]

And the WWII National Memorial wasn't built until 2004.

So?

so you recognize that opposition to nazis is not some radical leftist ideal... excellent.

The Sedition Acts however were a idea instituted by some progressive Democrat.

*****SMILE*****

 

[Correll]

There are many Confederate Flags with many meanings. It's not ALL about the coloreds. These flags are representing States Rights and Religious Freedom. Fighting terrorism since 1861.

You know. We used to talk about those states rights that the South felt were being violated. The right for states to have their slaves returned to them when they ran away. The right to expand slavery to new territories. The right to re-open the slave trade.

We used to talk about the original meanings of that flag. About the fire eater who was an extreme confederate who made it. Who felt the Confederacy wasn't going far enough. That owning slaves wasn't just a political right but a God Given right to own the black man. Who felt that opening the slave trade again was the only way the country could move forward.

We used to talk about Robert E Lee, begging southerners with his wish that they would put the flag away, and the KKK and dixiecrats making it their calling card against the civil rights movement.

But we like erasing all these things that don't make us feel all warm and fuzzy on the inside. We like removing the history of that 4 years that doesn't fit our agenda, burning the books, and rewriting what we can.

You know. We used to talk about those states rights that the South felt were being violated. The right for states to have their slaves returned to them when they ran away. The right to expand slavery to new territories. The right to re-open the slave trade.

We used to talk about the original meanings of that flag. About the fire eater who was an extreme confederate who made it. Who felt the Confederacy wasn't going far enough. That owning slaves wasn't just a political right but a God Given right to own the black man. Who felt that opening the slave trade again was the only way the country could move forward.

We used to talk about Robert E Lee, begging southerners with his wish that they would put the flag away, and the KKK and dixiecrats making it their calling card against the civil rights movement.

But we like erasing all these things that don't make us feel all warm and fuzzy on the inside. We like removing the history of that 4 years that doesn't fit our agenda, burning the books, and rewriting what we can.

The past was a harsher time. Our ancestors built US a very nice nation, arguably the best ever.


One of the important steps in that was healing the wounds of that war.


This nation's history after the civil war could have been one of continued strife and hatred and violence.


Instead it was put behind US.


Now, many are trying to dig it up again.

 

[Slash]

The past was a harsher time. Our ancestors built US a very nice nation, arguably the best ever.


One of the important steps in that was healing the wounds of that war.


This nation's history after the civil war could have been one of continued strife and hatred and violence.


Instead it was put behind US.


Now, many are trying to dig it up again.

By now you mean after Plessy vs. Ferguson? I agree with you. Robert E Lee and Jefferson Davis both plead with people to put the Confederacy behind us. Then like you said, it was dug up as Dixiecrats and the KKK used them as their political tools to create this hatred and violence.

Lets put that behind us, get that off of government property and send that hatred and violence that those people stood for to the grave.

100% in agreement with you there.

 

[BETH-MIDAN]

As far as I'm concerned slavery was going to be outmoded and thats where emancipation originated from and it was a tool of abuse by the great powers were still royalist then and who have not cared for Africans since in order to bring us resources back into continental european wars. The civil war was a second revolutionary war against continental european meddling more than anything else. The germans wouldve lost to the russians as is and Russia is one of the few countries cognizant of this.

 

[BETH-MIDAN]

keyboard trouble ... =\

 

[Scamp]

We all lost when Imperial subjugation (the Union cause) won the War over States Rights (the Confederate cause).

 

[Cossack1483]

In the wake of the tragic battle of Charlottesville ; do multi cults really feel the kosher agenda is working? As a White Nation nears and nearly thrives in mid US ; our future is imminent. O.R.I.O.N. Our Race Is Our Nation. The Confederate Flag is for Whites. Always will be. The symbol of White Resistance.

 

[whitehall]

Yeah but the KKK was never part of the Confederacy. It was the political muscle that the democrat party used in the 20th century to intimidate Blacks from voting. FDR appointed a KKK member to the Supreme Court. The longest ranking democrat senator, Robert Byrd, was a ranking KKK member. The Confederate flag only existed for four years. The flag that flew from the stern of slave ships for 200 years was the Union Jack and later the Stars and Stripes.

 

[WelfareQueen]

You guys lost all the way back in 1865. Get the fuck over it.

Ah.....the Confederacy ended over 150 years ago. I think you're okay.

 

[harmonica]

You guys lost all the way back in 1865. Get the fuck over it.

nice language.....

 

[Pogo]

There are many Confederate Flags with many meanings. It's not ALL about the coloreds. These flags are representing States Rights and Religious Freedom. Fighting terrorism since 1861.

You know. We used to talk about those states rights that the South felt were being violated. The right for states to have their slaves returned to them when they ran away. The right to expand slavery to new territories. The right to re-open the slave trade.

We used to talk about the original meanings of that flag. About the fire eater who was an extreme confederate who made it. Who felt the Confederacy wasn't going far enough. That owning slaves wasn't just a political right but a God Given right to own the black man. Who felt that opening the slave trade again was the only way the country could move forward.

We used to talk about Robert E Lee, begging southerners with his wish that they would put the flag away, and the KKK and dixiecrats making it their calling card against the civil rights movement.

But we like erasing all these things that don't make us feel all warm and fuzzy on the inside. We like removing the history of that 4 years that doesn't fit our agenda, burning the books, and rewriting what we can.

You know. We used to talk about those states rights that the South felt were being violated. The right for states to have their slaves returned to them when they ran away. The right to expand slavery to new territories. The right to re-open the slave trade.

We used to talk about the original meanings of that flag. About the fire eater who was an extreme confederate who made it. Who felt the Confederacy wasn't going far enough. That owning slaves wasn't just a political right but a God Given right to own the black man. Who felt that opening the slave trade again was the only way the country could move forward.

We used to talk about Robert E Lee, begging southerners with his wish that they would put the flag away, and the KKK and dixiecrats making it their calling card against the civil rights movement.

But we like erasing all these things that don't make us feel all warm and fuzzy on the inside. We like removing the history of that 4 years that doesn't fit our agenda, burning the books, and rewriting what we can.

The past was a harsher time. Our ancestors built US a very nice nation, arguably the best ever.

One of the important steps in that was healing the wounds of that war.

This nation's history after the civil war could have been one of continued strife and hatred and violence.

Instead it was put behind US.a

Now, many are trying to dig it up again.

Actually the digging-up-again started a little over a hundred years ago with the Lost Cause Movement, the "Clansman" novel, the "Birth of a Nation" film and the Daughters of the Confederacy which all worked tirelessly to rewrite that infamous history, the latter by placing hundreds (not dozens-- hundreds) of statues, monuments and plaques in prominent public places and in front of government buildings nationwide to make them appear 'legitimate'. These would be the exact same statues and monuments being reviewed for removal from said prominent public places where they have stood as propaganda transmitters for between 90 and 110 years, which is why they consistently date from that exact era.

Up until then it was put behind us. But a certain faction decided they didn't like where it had been put, and went to great lengths to redefine it.

Robert E Lee and Jefferson Davis both plead with people to put the Confederacy behind us. Then like you said, it was dug up as Dixiecrats and the KKK used them as their political tools to create this hatred and violence.

Timeline is way off. The Klan (original version) did take the same attitude of continuing to fight a War that had already been lost but that was within a year of the War itself. The Dixiecrats didn't exist until 1948, long after the period in question. You've got a span here of 82 years, plus you got them backwards, and missed the entire relevant period in between.

 

[Humorme]

Yeah but the KKK was never part of the Confederacy. It was the political muscle that the democrat party used in the 20th century to intimidate Blacks from voting. FDR appointed a KKK member to the Supreme Court. The longest ranking democrat senator, Robert Byrd, was a ranking KKK member. The Confederate flag only existed for four years. The flag that flew from the stern of slave ships for 200 years was the Union Jack and later the Stars and Stripes.

While the KKK was not a part of the Confederacy, it was started by six former Confederate Army officers headed by Nathan Bedford Forrest.

It is true that for most of the life of white racism, it was married to the Democrats. Can't dispute that. I don't know what relevance it has today, however. The Republicans illegally ratified the 14th Amendment.

The Fourteenth Amendment is Unconstitutional - Judge L.H. Perez

http://www.constitution.org/14ll/no14th.htm

Cutting through history, recently the left won on the issues of monuments, statues, and memorials. Like the Confederate flag, they really ARE history. BTW, in their stead a statue of Martin Luther King, Jr. was put up in the Georgia Capitol.

But, what I wanted to really say is that right after Charlottesville, the state of Maryland took down the statue of Roger Taney, the Supreme Court Justice that delivered the ruling in the Dred Scott v Sanford case (the one where the United States Supreme Court said blacks could not become citizens.) Anyway, that case had NOTHING to do with the Confederacy and nobody in their right mind can say that Taney was a racist after he cited so many laws to interpret the law. He simply did his job.

Be that as it may, what you just said is really the truth. And, when the last vestiges of the Confederacy come down, the blacks will be after that flag that flew over the White House when the Dred Scott decision was delivered. That'll be the good old red, white and blue. Then they will be after the real object of their hatred... the white race.

 

[Pogo]

While the KKK was not a part of the Confederacy, it was started by six former Confederate Army officers headed by Nathan Bedford Forrest.

Small correction. It was indeed six ex-Confederate soldiers but Forrest was not present there. He would be drafted (in absentia) a year and a half later by the local vigilantes who had taken over the group from its original founders.

 

[JQPublic1]

You guys lost all the way back in 1865. Get the fuck over it.

Excuse me, but let me see if I can get this right about those rotten southerners. As I remember right, it was the Damn Yankees (which means masturbators, come on wake up!), that took their ships over to Africa, tore the blacks away from their dwellings, beat them, whipped them, murdered and raped them, threw them into those dark stinking ship holes, brought them to America, sold them to the south and pocketed all that cash. Oh how benevolent! Then guess what, they turned around and told the South they couldn't have the slaves, had war and killed 600,000 of some of the finest people in the world, and slightly forgot to pay the money back. This is like someone sells you a home, you pay them the money, then they say you can't have the home and do not pay you the money back. This might, just a little bit, make you damn mad!

I hope you realize blacks and Muslims were the prime movers of slavery, and they still are NOW. We ended it 150 years ago, but there you go. let's ignore facts for political expediency.

We didn't end slavery...our prisons are full of them.