French call for stronger EU to keep America in check

[Mr. P]

Ok Mr.P, haven't been around lately but I at least pick up the clues!

 

[Mr. P]

My points have gone up "reputation wise"...how come? I thought I'd stay in the red zone forever... LOL

Why would you think that?

 

[padisha emperor]

First, excuse me if I say something already said by somebody, but this reading was long, so....


Second, j07950, be courageous, because I try to explain same things than you on this board (about Iraq, about UNO......) since several monthes.
But you speak really well english, so I hope it would help you to explain these things...

Now.....


-Said1, your magazine's cover was really funny....when will you stop these childern's games ?
I believe that this picture was taken in Kosovo, you know, a place with a war, some years ago, and now, with french soldiers, and soon Euro-force, and without - or really not a lot - US soldiers.

Dillo :
you answered to j07950, when he asked you about what were the direct attacks from iraq against USA.
You said that Iraq shot on US aircrafts. And that didn't respect UN.
Funny, no ?
Did USA respect the UN ?
Becuase people can imagine, when they read your message, that US atack Iraq because it destoy US planes during mission for UN, so, UN was not respected, so, Iraq have to be punished....
If i continue in ths way, USA will be punished. why ?

After all, they did nothnig, right ? except :

- non-respect of the UN decision.
- attack and war action against a sovereign State, which is hurting the Westphalia Treaty about the non-ingerence and the sovereignity, and above all ALL the rules of the international conventions and laws.

the second point is the most disturbing : it is really a hard violation of the laws....


For the nuclear attempts : thank you, it open a way :
the decision to make new nuclear experiences is in a special category of acts : not the act from the government, but the act of the government. And these acts cannot be controled by the juridictions. (Conseil d'Etat). Why ? because it is a decision concerning France, and french policy (and it was done in french territories in Pacific).
Then, it only concern France, so, I will give to you your own argue : why would we let other countries lead our policy ?
You refuse everything when we give advice, and even sometimes opinions, about the US policies. So, after, don't make critics about other countries policy.

 

[manu1959]

exclent points all ..... i have three questions for you:

Kosovo, you know, a place with a war, some years ago, and now, with french soldiers, and soon Euro-force, and without - or really not a lot - US soldiers.

tell me who was the comander of UN forces in kosovo and how many US troops were there vs french?

for UN, so, UN was not respected, so, Iraq have to be punished....
If i continue in ths way, USA will be punished. why ?
After all, they did nothnig, right ? except :
- non-respect of the UN decision.
- attack and war action against a sovereign State, which is hurting the Westphalia Treaty about the non-ingerence and the sovereignity, and above all ALL the rules of the international conventions and laws.

tell me which UN resolution did the united states disobey?

the second point is the most disturbing : it is really a hard violation of the laws....
For the nuclear attempts : thank you, it open a way :
the decision to make new nuclear experiences is in a special category of acts : not the act from the government, but the act of the government. And these acts cannot be controled by the juridictions. (Conseil d'Etat). Why ? because it is a decision concerning France, and french policy (and it was done in french territories in Pacific).
Then, it only concern France, so, I will give to you your own argue : why would we let other countries lead our policy ?
You refuse everything when we give advice, and even sometimes opinions, about the US policies. So, after, don't make critics about other countries policy.

is france a signatory to the non proliferation treaty and nuclear testing ban?

thanks for your help,

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[Said1]

-Said1, your magazine's cover was really funny....when will you stop these childern's games ?

Never. It's my youthful disposition which is so endearing to others.

I believe that this picture was taken in Kosovo, you know, a place with a war, some years ago, and now, with french soldiers, and soon Euro-force, and without - or really not a lot - US soldiers.

Like who cares, it was still pretty darn funny. And the picture was not making fun of Euro-forces, just French, you know. :tng:

And when will you stop posting rediculous comments (rediculous: as in deserving ridecule), which are clearly figments of some wacky french history profs imagination.

 

[padisha emperor]

first question :
I speak of the soldiers who are NOW.
it is written, between the "and", and "with french soldiers"......


second question :
They refused to follow the UN decision : the UN refused to allow the uS for a war in Iraq. It was against the vote of the UN security coucil and the UN general assembly.

But, more important : the invasion of a sovereign country is a violation of the international laws ! you see the UN point, but be sure that this one is probably more important ! UN respect the international laws, so , US didn't foloow UNO 's decision and didn't respect the international rules.

it is maybe not exactly an UN resolution....sorry..........it is only the main rule of international laws............


third : I believe.
you've got the point.

Question for you now : is USA a signatory to the San Fransisco treaty, about the UNO organization and missions ?
Is the peace a mission of UNO ?
Is there no international rules about the non-ingerence ?

thank for your help.

 

[padisha emperor]

Said1, I trust more in the french scholar system than in the US, for the knowledges.
because a systel where in some States, the natural sciences are not teached because it hurts the Bible.....
Do you think that dinosaurs came from french teacher's imagination ?

try to go to a library, take an history book, open it, read it, and then you'll see that I'm not saying lies.

 

[Said1]

Said1, I trust more in the french scholar system than in the US, for the knowledges.
because a systel where in some States, the natural sciences are not teached because it hurts the Bible.....
Do you think that dinosaurs came from french teacher's imagination ?

try to go to a library, take an history book, open it, read it, and then you'll see that I'm not saying lies.

I'm not American my dear, I'm Canadian. What do dinosaurs have to do with France?

 

[dilloduck]

I'm not American my dear, I'm Canadian. What do dinosaurs have to do with France?

They run the government

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Padesha. The U.N. is a corrupt, pointless organization at this point. It exists only for the pleasure of Euroliberals to attempt to shift world power through lies.

 

[padisha emperor]

anyway, said1...not important.....


the UN was an idea of USA, no ?

What your prooves about the UN corruption ,

It is a weak organization, yes. but for several reasons :
- the Un is victim of it success : too many countries are in, so the money doesn't follow....
- after the decolonisation, a lot of countries go in the UNO, but they were very poor.
- the UN, because lot of it members are poor, hasd now a big mission of economy, more important than the politic one.
- UNO spend lot of money to help countries, but have not enough moeny : one example : the USA pay 22% of the UN contribution. And they stop to pay during one moment, and at this time they paid 33%. The money problem of UNO has one of it reason here.
Not the only one, of course.

 

[dilloduck]

anyway, said1...not important.....


the UN was an idea of USA, no ?

What your prooves about the UN corruption ,

It is a weak organization, yes. but for several reasons :
- the Un is victim of it success : too many countries are in, so the money doesn't follow....
- after the decolonisation, a lot of countries go in the UNO, but they were very poor.
- the UN, because lot of it members are poor, hasd now a big mission of economy, more important than the politic one.
- UNO spend lot of money to help countries, but have not enough moeny : one example : the USA pay 22% of the UN contribution. And they stop to pay during one moment, and at this time they paid 33%. The money problem of UNO has one of it reason here.
Not the only one, of course.

Corruption will be proven if Annan ever decides to cooperate with the invetigators---the UN has NO WAY of enforcing anything

 

[CSM]

anyway, said1...not important.....


the UN was an idea of USA, no ?

What your prooves about the UN corruption ,

It is a weak organization, yes. but for several reasons :
- the Un is victim of it success : too many countries are in, so the money doesn't follow....
- after the decolonisation, a lot of countries go in the UNO, but they were very poor.
- the UN, because lot of it members are poor, hasd now a big mission of economy, more important than the politic one.
- UNO spend lot of money to help countries, but have not enough moeny : one example : the USA pay 22% of the UN contribution. And they stop to pay during one moment, and at this time they paid 33%. The money problem of UNO has one of it reason here.
Not the only one, of course.

With over 200 member nations, why is the US paying as much as they do? It must be all those American corporations making money off the place! Now where in the UN charter does it state anything about redistributing the worlds wealth.

The UN has become the modern Tower of Babel.

 

[no1tovote4]

Hey, watch it! :cof:

Don't take it personally Said.

 

[no1tovote4]

Said1, I trust more in the french scholar system than in the US, for the knowledges.
because a systel where in some States, the natural sciences are not teached because it hurts the Bible.....
Do you think that dinosaurs came from french teacher's imagination ?

try to go to a library, take an history book, open it, read it, and then you'll see that I'm not saying lies.

I would like to see some evidence PE, I have never heard of a place where the Natural Sciences cannot be taught. There are one or two where they are trying to INCLUDE creationism as a theory in science, but not even one where they are trying to REMOVE the natural sciences.

 

[Said1]

Don't take it personally Said.

S'aight, considering the source.

 

[j07950]

France is a military midget in comparison to the US. Both countries are democracies and own nuclear weapons and an advanced delivery systems.

The European as a whole (far from being one) has limited military assets in comparison to the US and a fanatic peace-nick population. The resistance against the war in Iraq stems alot from public opinion that tries to avoid
wars at all costs these days.

If the Europeans do not start a war then the US would have to. This seems
unlikely to me. Not only have US companies vital interest in Europe also
the difference in common values is not that huge.

Does any European country wants to fight a war for France or anyone else
I dont see that as a possibilty.

Do they want to be a more even partner in the relationship with the US. Sure
Will that create posturing over what is fair trade? No doubt. But with
so many multinationals that are invested on both sides of the Atlantic
I do not see a threat in that.

A lot of people predicted WW 2 before the treaty of Versailles was even signed. The outside enemy in form of the USSR helped create the NATO
and soon China will probably fill the position as the next challenger.

The main difference these days imo is that with the international press and
the ability of most Europeans to read and write in English the differences
between countries have become smaller. The interdependence that countries
have these days and the similar interest the EU and US have (pretty much to keep the status quo)


Not to mention people like me that would like to promote a closer cooperation
between the EU and the US. The enemies of today or the future are not France or Russia You might be pissed about the French grandeur and their try
to piss on the US leg but it is harmless. De Gaulle had an anti American stand in order to gain something for France. But their influence is declining and the posturing is basically harmless.

The future cultural threat is not socialism in Europe because imo the EU at the end is more about capitalism then a huge socialist state. The cultural divisions in the EU will not go away within the next 50 years.

But challengers like China are more likely to create problems for the US.
The Jiadist target Christianity as a whole in a clash of civilizations.

To keep the status quo of western dominance in global fiance and trade
I expect the EU and US to work together to secure there part of the pie.

I spoke out against the post because it implied the EU tries activly to
bring the US down. I doubt that would help their security interest nor
that they intend to do that.

The EU itself repeatedly stated that they want a stronger dollar. It hurts
their exports to the US when their products are now more expensive.

Again I assume both sides have an interest in a status quo in the financial
arena.

I've got to agree with what you're saying.
I'd just like to add that it's you guys who are talking about the French being pissed off because our influence is declining . As a whole, and this includes me, we don't look out to influence anyone, maybee some of our politicians are but they're full of themselves. Who cares if we influence anyone. Just let nations work toghether towards peace and not necessarily look at nations like france which oppose other nations like trying to gain influence. There is a need for a certain mix of ideas so to please everyone and not a small number of powerful countries.

 

[j07950]

Don't know what happened there...replied to nosarcasm's post but can't find it anywhere...this is weird...

 

[j07950]

Oh I see I was on the first page not the last...nevermind, there has been 24 pages since...forget that then...

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Oh I see I was on the first page not the last...nevermind, there has been 24 pages since...forget that then...

Zut allors! Incroyable! La Tete du mairde!