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[Redfish]

The Patriot Act would be the closes thing to what the OP is contending.
The Patriot Act has a factual history of bi-partisan support.
"From broad concern felt among Americans from both the September 11 attacks and the 2001 anthrax attacks, Congress rushed to pass legislation to strengthen security controls. On October 23, 2001, Republican Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner introduced H.R. 3162 incorporating provisions from a previously sponsored House bill and a Senate bill also introduced earlier in the month.[4] The next day on October 24, 2001, the Act passed the House 357 to 66,[5] with Democrats comprising the overwhelming portion of dissent. The following day, on October 25, 2001, the Act passed the Senate by 98 to 1" **
And then George W Bush signed off on it.
BUT then:
"On May 26, 2011, President Barack Obama signed the PATRIOT Sunsets Extension Act of 2011, a four-year extension of three key provisions in the USA PATRIOT Act:[2] roving wiretaps, searches of business records (the "library records provision"), and conducting surveillance of "lone wolves"—individuals suspected of terrorist-related activities not linked to terrorist groups." **
So what we have here is something both liberals and conservatives are certainly guilty of and that would be "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
It would seem the OP's opinion takes in only half the historical facts to form an opinion, Why is that? What's wrong with the rest of the facts?

** Patriot Act - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

all facts are relevant, no one said otherwise.

 

[Redfish]

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"

The left wing idea that the government exists to protect us from everything will be the downfall of the nation.

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Funny thing is, the Republicans are the first to try and take liberty by having a common enemy to scare the plebs into doing what they want.

The Patriot Act is a fine example of a law passed to deal with a problem that was sought after by the Republicans, the new common enemy, Islam.

Military spending increases heavily under Republican presidents, they need to be tough on crime, tough on rogue nations, tough on terror and tough on all the other key words they use to get elected.

Soooooo, no dems voted for it???? obozo did not extend it????? back under your rock, weirdo.

 

[kiwiman127]

Dick Cheney was the king of fear mongering and his target audience was whom?

Why are you libs so afraid of Cheney after all this time? He is no one. But you fear Palin, so I guess that explains it.

I guess my post went over your head.
I mentioned Cheney because a decade ago he used fear all of the time to rally his troops in Washington and the political base spread out across the country. He knew he had an audience that his fear tactics would work on and it did.
I find it ironic that you used "afraid" and "fear" in this post. You folks are sure obsessed with fear and science proves it.
Conservatives Big On Fear Brain Study Shows
Conservatives Big on Fear Brain Study Finds Psychology Today

 

[Redfish]

Dick Cheney was the king of fear mongering and his target audience was whom?

Why are you libs so afraid of Cheney after all this time? He is no one. But you fear Palin, so I guess that explains it.

I guess my post went over your head.
I mentioned Cheney because a decade ago he used fear all of the time to rally his troops in Washington and the political base spread out across the country. He knew he had an audience that his fear tactics would work on and it did.
I find it ironic that you used "afraid" and "fear" in this post. You folks are sure obsessed with fear and science proves it.
Conservatives Big On Fear Brain Study Shows
Conservatives Big on Fear Brain Study Finds Psychology Today

recognizing a risk and addressing it is not fear, it is intelligent. The only reason you libs fear Cheney and Palin is because you recognize them as a threat to your liberal agenda. you practice that which you accuse others of.

I am not a Cheney fan, never have been. He is an arrogant ex-CEO who thinks he knows more than anyone else. I put him and Hillary in the same category relative to arrogance and bullshit factor.

Why must everything become partisan. Why can't we dump the party labels and do what the country needs?

like:
balance the budget
create jobs
fix the tax code
pass term limits
enforce our borders
enforce immigration laws
get corruption out of DC

 

[kiwiman127]

Oh brother, there you go with your fear thing again. Thanks for making my point ala Post #23.
Secondly, I am to the left of you but then a large majority of the country is to the left of you. However, I like to classify myself as a moderate.
You will note in Post #13 I point a finger and both sides of the aisle. But I know for some, it's "if you aren't with us, then you're against us"! Another sign of this "fear" thing you conservatives apparently are born with.

 

[bendog]

Well, I do agree with Ben in that siding with Britain and levying more taxes for arms rather than relying on treaties, and treating native americans as sovereign entities, is ceding freedom for a short term, and short sided, illusion of safety.

 

[dblack]

Curse those liberals that pushed for the Patriot Act and the massive expansion of surveillance in the name of security. lol

Indeed. And fuck them for not getting rid of it when they had the opportunity. Lying bastards.

 

[mdk]

Curse those liberals that pushed for the Patriot Act and the massive expansion of surveillance in the name of security. lol

Indeed. And fuck them for not getting rid of it when they had the opportunity. Lying bastards.

I couldn't agree more.

 

[Clementine]

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"

The left wing idea that the government exists to protect us from everything will be the downfall of the nation.

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Look at what the left has done. They've divided us into groups, rich, poor, black, white and Hispanic, etc. Then they speak to each group in a different way. No longer are we considered Americans, rather we are judged by the color of our skin, our religion or class. Used to be we were all equal and could live the American dream. Now the government says we can't, that it's not possible. Never mind it's because of crony capitalism that was created by politicians. Now they pit one group against another, telling minorities that government is their only hope because everyone else is racist. They tell poor people that wealthy people are to blame and won't allow them to elevate.

Government was supposed to exist for limited purposes. It is the duty of elected officials to secure our borders and protect us from enemies, foreign and domestic. Somehow they have morphed into a nanny government, creating more problems than they've ever solved and always coming up with solutions that makes things worse.

Now they claim that we need to be protected from each other and even ourselves. They see us all as a bunch of blundering idiots who don't know how to eat or even choose a light bulb. They constantly vilify anyone who objects to their attempt to transfer power to them.

We are all Americans and should always be addressed as "My fellow Americans." Instead, each group is told something different. They tell Hispanics that the country is full of people who hate foreigners. They tell blacks that the country is full of people who hate them. They constantly vilify anyone who committed the crime of being born white and anyone who does well in life. Somehow, they believe that if you are living well, it's only because you took it from others.

Whites are supposed to feel guilty. Even if you're not racist, you should feel bad for being born a "better" color. The left believes that being born white makes you better and they push this notion. For the "losers" who weren't born white, they should be compensated for being denied that privilege. Those who were lucky to be born white should make up for it somehow.

It's all total bullshit. Our government is so far from what the founding fathers envisioned. Now it's about some seriously misguided people who somehow believe that they are superior and that us peons should allow them to guide every aspect of our lives because they are better suited to make all the decisions. That goes against a free society.

It's the left that has made minorities feel like inferior people. If you don't buy into their garbage, they say it's you who has the problem. Only a racist would claim that minorities are equal and could live the American dream.

Today's government is corrupt and untrustworthy. The people who believe that government is their only salvation are brain washed.

Government was also supposed to be in control of currency. A fucking liberal, Woodrow Wilson, sold us out and allowed banks to take over. That was the beginning of the end. Next dumb thing done by Wilson was to make income tax permanent. That paved the way for future Dems to push socialist policies.

Both parties created and depend on crony capitalism to secure their careers.

We need smaller government. They should oversee military to provide national security and they should only take as much money as needed for necessary things. Billions in aid to hostile countries, over the top perks for politicians are not necessary. Pork spending should be banned altogether.

Serving one's country was never intended to be a means to become wealthy. It should be an honor. Now the public servants act like dictators.

Our founding fathers ran away from oppression and now the type of people who hated the fact that a free country was founded have caught up to us and are turning this country into the same thing our forefathers ran from. Only now there is no where else to run.

The constitution was supposed to stop this, but it's being ignored and many on the left openly show disdain for the document that constrains those who seek to fundamentally transform this country into something it was never meant to be. Have no doubt that something must be torn down before it can be rebuilt into something different.

Anyone familiar with the Cloward-Piven strategy or Alinsky knows exactly what is happening. Some of us hate it and some wholeheartedly approve. Others are ignorant and it's those useful idiots who will hand the country over to tyrants.

 

[francoHFW]

Jeebus, hater dupes and Pubs are FOS. THEY have blocked any reform of the Patriot Act with votes and fear mongering- yet complain Obama has done nothing. A disgrace.. Meanwhile, Obama has added reforms with EO's and through the DOJ.

"But the ACLU's Richardson noted that while there have been no additional legislative oversight measures passed during Obama's presidency, there have been some put in place in the executive branch. Most notably, the Justice Department decided to implement several measures that were originally included in the USA PATRIOT Act Sunset Extension Act of 2009 - a failed oversight bill proposed by Sen. Leahy.

In response to a letter from Leahy in December 2010, the Justice Department said it had:

• Implemented a requirement that, when library or bookseller records are sought via a Section 215 order for business records, a statement of specific and articulable facts showing relevance to an authorized investigation must be produced;
• Adopted a policy requiring the FBI to retain a statement of facts showing that the information sought through a National Security Letter (NSL) is relevant to an authorized investigation, to facilitate better auditing and accountability;
• Adopted procedures to provide notification to recipients of NSLs of their opportunity to contest any nondisclosure requirement attached to the NSL;
• Agreed to ensure that NSL recipients who challenge nondisclosure orders are notified by the FBI when compliance with such nondisclosure orders are no longer required;
• Adopted procedures for the collection, use and storage of information derived from National Security Letters, which were approved by Attorney General Holder on October 1, 2010.

Leahy also said that DOJ had agreed to work with Congress to determine ways to make additional information publicly available regarding the use of FISA authorities.

"I still believe that these important oversight and accountability provisions should be enacted in law, but I appreciate that by implementing key measures in the bill, the Department of Justice has embraced the need for oversight and transparency," Leahy said in response to the Justice Department's action.

Where does that leave us? President Obama has spoken in the past in favor of more oversight and Attorney General Eric Holder supported the USA PATRIOT Act Sunset Extension Act of 2009. Nonetheless, the president signed a reauthorization that included no additional oversight. However, the DOJ has implemented key components of Sen. Leahy's bill.

The Obameter Revise the Patriot Act to increase oversight on government surveillance PolitiFact

 

[dblack]

hater dupes!!!

 

[Borillar]

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"

The left wing idea that the government exists to protect us from everything will be the downfall of the nation.

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You mean the left wing that brought about the Patriot Act, the DHS, TSA, warrentless wiretaps, no knock searches, extraordinary rendition? Oh wait, that was the conservatives.

 

[dblack]

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"

The left wing idea that the government exists to protect us from everything will be the downfall of the nation.

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You mean the left wing that brought about the Patriot Act, the DHS, TSA, warrentless wiretaps, no knock searches, extraordinary rendition? Oh wait, that was the conservatives.

Yeah. Thank god Obama got rid of all that stuff!

 

[francoHFW]

Jeebus you're FOS, hater dupe...see #30.

 

[francoHFW]

But at least you're in the lying white greedy idiot Party...be proud. lol

 

[Bush92]

Every expansion of the power, scope, and reach of federal government living behind the walls of Versailles is a danger to states rights and liberty.

 

[francoHFW]

??????????????

 

[Borillar]

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"

The left wing idea that the government exists to protect us from everything will be the downfall of the nation.

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You mean the left wing that brought about the Patriot Act, the DHS, TSA, warrentless wiretaps, no knock searches, extraordinary rendition? Oh wait, that was the conservatives.

Yeah. Thank god Obama got rid of all that stuff!

Jeez... The RW puts all this police state crap in place, obstructs every attempt to end or change it, says you're either with us or you're with the terrorists, and now it's Obama's fault that he couldn't get rid of it? And idiots like the OP are trying to paint this as a "left wing idea"? What a load of crap!

 

[dblack]

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"

The left wing idea that the government exists to protect us from everything will be the downfall of the nation.

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You mean the left wing that brought about the Patriot Act, the DHS, TSA, warrentless wiretaps, no knock searches, extraordinary rendition? Oh wait, that was the conservatives.

Yeah. Thank god Obama got rid of all that stuff.

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"

The left wing idea that the government exists to protect us from everything will be the downfall of the nation.

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You mean the left wing that brought about the Patriot Act, the DHS, TSA, warrentless wiretaps, no knock searches, extraordinary rendition? Oh wait, that was the conservatives.

Yeah. Thank god Obama got rid of all that stuff!

Jeez... The RW puts all this police state crap in place, obstructs every attempt to end or change it, says you're either with us or you're with the terrorists, and now it's Obama's fault that he couldn't get rid of it? And idiots like the OP are trying to paint this as a "left wing idea"? What a load of crap!

No. It's Obama's fault that he didn't even try. It's his fault that he expanded and accelerated the growth of the surveillance state and the abuses of privacy authorized by the Patriot Act. Have you been asleep for the last five years?

 

[frigidweirdo]

The patriot act, if applied as intended, takes away no ones rights or liberty. Abusing it, as obama has done, is the exact danger that Franklin warned about.

There is nothing wrong with being tough on our enemies. Weakness encourages them. There is nothing wrong with being tough on crime, weakness encourages it.

And, for the record, both parties voted for the partiot act. AND, it may have saved YOUR life.

Let's see if I've got this right. You support the Patriot Act?

You claim that all problems associated with the act are from Obama?

You also want to be tough on things, rather than being intelligent on things, like crime and foreign countries etc?

So then, United States v. Jones, 132 S. Ct. 945, 565 U.S. ___ (2012) is clearly a problem with Obama using the Patriot Act badly huh? I mean, any Republican with one eye can see this was from 2012 and any Republican with no eyes knows that Obama was pressie in 2012, right? So therefore this is CLEARLY a problem with Obama?

Only the events happened in 2005. Wait, remind me again who was president in 2005.

Controversial invocations of the Patriot Act - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Let's see.

2005, 2003, 2005, 2004, 2003 and 2004. Of those controversies with the act on this site they're all from 2003-2005 time frame. This isn't to say nothing happened after this, it's to say you're completely wrong in claiming that any misuse of this act was from Obama.

As for being tough on things, you can see the results of it in ISIS. That's what happens when you bang your head repeatedly against a brick wall, it hurts, doesn't do anything positive.

But hey, people like you feel good about "kickin' ass" right? Who needs brains when you can bomb your way through problems time and time and time and time again.