Forced sterilization?

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    A few years back I was acquainted with a woman named Susie. Susie has a laundry list of physical and metal handicaps. She is married to a very nice man, who also has a long list of both physical and metal handicaps. Both susie and her husband are supported by the state.

    The issue is that, while being supported by the state, Susie and her husband decided to have babies, lots of babies. The last time i saw Susie, they were up to 4. Each of their children have physical(not sure about the mental) handicaps. They now have a case worker who visits the family regularly, and the state provides a helper who also comes at least once a week.

    I can remember a coworker commenting that Susie was the poster child for forced sterilization.

    The question is, should people who do not have the mental capacity to fully care for themselves, be allowed to procreate? Is this a slippery slope best steered clear of, or should the state be allowed to sterilize the mentally impaired.
     
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    If you cannot care for yourself, you should be prevented from having children.
     
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    As an Up Side to this statement,Beethoven's parents had 5 idiots before Beethoven himself was born,just sayin. steve
     
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    "When it comes to population control, the Shivraj Singh Chouhan government in Madhya Pradesh appears to be inspired by Sanjay Gandhi and his forced sterilisation drive.

    "In a grim reminder of the Emergency days, health officials in Madhya Pradesh are adopting unethical ways to meet birth control targets. Poor and uneducated people in the state are being tricked to undergo vasectomy (men) and tubectomy (women)."

    "The Congress has alleged that the government is using inhuman and terror tactics for population control. "They lure poor and illiterate people without telling them about the implications involved in the process. In Jabalpur, three persons, who were sterilised last year, were forced to undergo the procedure again recently. This is a human rights violation of the worst kind," Opposition leader in the assembly Ajay Singh said."

    Sterilisation nightmare in Madhya Pradesh as Shivraj Singh Chouhan does a Sanjay Gandhi : Mail Today Stories, News - India Today

    The National Population Policy had affirmed the government's commitment for "voluntary and informed choice and consent of citizens" while availing reproductive health care services and had stressed "continuation of the target-free approach in administering family planning services".
     
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    I am not in support of sterilising poor people or illiterate people. But those people who need care, and cannot even live by themselves, pay their own bills, cook their own dinner, should not be having babies, and nor should they be allowed to keep them.

    Because you are unable to care for yourself, how in the world can you look after a baby?
     
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    "It is shocking to think eugenics flourished in our own beloved America long before it got started in Nazi Germany. Even more appalling for those interested in the history of American science, leading biologists promoted eugenics programs. Unfortunately, it is almost impossible to find estimates of how many people were sterilized nationwide as part of individual state programs. The surviving data, however, suggests that the number is likely to be in the ten thousands."



    An American Scientific Nightmare: The Legacy of Eugenics « University of Chicago Undergraduate Law Review

    "Forced abortions. Mass sterilization. A "Planetary Regime" with the power of life and death over American citizens.

    The tyrannical fantasies of a madman? Or merely the opinions of the person now in control of science policy in the United States? Or both?

    These ideas (among many other equally horrifying recommendations) were put forth by John Holdren, whom Barack Obama has recently appointed Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, Assistant to the President for Science and Technology, and Co-Chair of the President's Council of Advisors on Science and Technology -- informally known as the United States' Science Czar. In a book Holdren co-authored in 1977, the man now firmly in control of science policy in this country wrote that:

    • Women could be forced to abort their pregnancies, whether they wanted to or not;
    • The population at large could be sterilized by infertility drugs intentionally put into the nation's drinking water or in food;
    • Single mothers and teen mothers should have their babies seized from them against their will and given away to other couples to raise;
    • People who "contribute to social deterioration" (i.e. undesirables) "can be required by law to exercise reproductive responsibility" -- in other words, be compelled to have abortions or be sterilized.
    • A transnational "Planetary Regime" should assume control of the global economy and also dictate the most intimate details of Americans' lives -- using an armed international police force. "

    John Holdren, Obama's Science Czar, says: Forced abortions and mass sterilization needed to save the planet
     
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    Oh i am in support of forced sterilization on not just the mentally impaired.



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    I do not believe such an insult is acceptable as I have not insulted you. As I have said before, treat me with respect and I will treat you with respect as I have been.

    Now, can you please answer my question, and tell me how you would deal with such a problem?
     
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    "Nazi doctors carried out direct medical killings as part of "life unworthy of life" policy, as well as deathly experiments on concentration camp prisoners. German doctors were forced to do that according to the Nazi medical decisions. There were two racial programs which directed the entire work of the German physicians of that time:
    - coercive sterilization,
    - killing of "impaired" people.
    Euthanasia program alone, the centers of which were in Hartheim, Somnenstein, Grafeneck, Bernburg, Brandeburg and Hademar, has launched into eternity about 100000 mentally and permanently sick people. They were murdered in carbon monoxide gas chambers. The systematic euthanasia procedures began in April 1940 and within three weeks all Jewish patients were to be murdered."

    They always start with an idea they can sell to the public. The nazis sold the idea of "Jews are bad'. Noomi is selling/buying the idea 'the disabled are not worthy of life'. You can see it in her insistence that women abort if they have the potential to have disabled children, her idea that a woman who glues her toddler's hands to the wall and beats that child almost to death be given a short sentence, and in her belief that disabled women should be forcibly sterilized.

    Disgusting.

    Nazi Nightmares - Medical Killing in Nazi Germany
     
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    Nah, just tell them that if they have any more kids, they won't get any extra welfare payments. The birth control will suddenly start working then.
     

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