For those of impaired vision and thought. The govt does create jobs.

[uscitizen]

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A more realistic headcount begins with the 1.9 million full-time permanent civilian federal workers who get their paychecks and identification cards from Uncle Sam. Add in the 1.5 million uniformed military personnel and 850,000 U.S. Postal Service workers who were counted in the federal workforce until their department became a quasi-government corporation in 1970, and the total full-time permanent federal workforce was just under 4.3 million in 1996, the last year for which good numbers are available on both the visible and shadow federal workforce.

Add in the people who work under federal contracts and grants or mandates imposed on state and local governments and the illusion of smallness becomes clear. In 1996, the federal government's $200 billion in contracts created an estimated 5.6 million jobs, its $55 billion in grants created another 2.4 million jobs, and its array of mandates in such fields as air and water quality and health and safety regulation encumbered another 4.7 million jobs in state, county and municipal governments. Add these 12.7 million shadow jobs to the 4.25 million civilian, military and postal jobs, and the true size of government in 1996 expands to nearly 17 million, or more than eight times larger than the standard headcount of 1.9 million used by Congress and the President to declare the era of big government over. And the count does not even include the full-time equivalent employment of the people who work on a part-time or temporary basis for Uncle Sam--for example, the 884,000 members of the military reserves.

More at:

The True Size of Government (1/1/99) -- GovExec.com

somewhere in the neighborhood of 24% of all US workers are either directly or indirectly working for the govt.

 

[Gadawg73]

What profit motive is involved with the government jobs you speak of?
And who pays the salaries of the folks that work for the government?
Other than tax revenue and user fees name one government entity that makes a profit and uses that model in your so called thesis of "government job creation"?
And are you trying to claim that the rise of the government work force helps the economy?
Sir, government did not create any of those jobs.
NOT ONE.
The MARKET creates those jobs and paid for them.
Government has NO $. ALL the $ they have is either printed, borrowed or FROM TAX $.
Those jobs are not as a result of supply and demand. They are a direct result of too much government.
Name one job in the government that was created as a result of the free market capitalist system demanding that job and the profit motive of the entity that created that job.
Governments do not create jobs. Never have and never will.

 

[Kex]

What profit motive is involved with the government jobs you speak of?
And who pays the salaries of the folks that work for the government?
Other than tax revenue and user fees name one government entity that makes a profit and uses that model in your so called thesis of "government job creation"?
And are you trying to claim that the rise of the government work force helps the economy?
Sir, government did not create any of those jobs.
NOT ONE.
The MARKET creates those jobs and paid for them.
Government has NO $. ALL the $ they have is either printed, borrowed or FROM TAX $.
Those jobs are not as a result of supply and demand. They are a direct result of too much government.
Name one job in the government that was created as a result of the free market capitalist system demanding that job and the profit motive of the entity that created that job.
Governments do not create jobs. Never have and never will.

I am just curious, using your twisted thinking, would you mind defining a 'job'.

 

[xsited1]

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A more realistic headcount begins with the 1.9 million full-time permanent civilian federal workers who get their paychecks and identification cards from Uncle Sam. Add in the 1.5 million uniformed military personnel and 850,000 U.S. Postal Service workers who were counted in the federal workforce until their department became a quasi-government corporation in 1970, and the total full-time permanent federal workforce was just under 4.3 million in 1996, the last year for which good numbers are available on both the visible and shadow federal workforce.

Add in the people who work under federal contracts and grants or mandates imposed on state and local governments and the illusion of smallness becomes clear. In 1996, the federal government's $200 billion in contracts created an estimated 5.6 million jobs, its $55 billion in grants created another 2.4 million jobs, and its array of mandates in such fields as air and water quality and health and safety regulation encumbered another 4.7 million jobs in state, county and municipal governments. Add these 12.7 million shadow jobs to the 4.25 million civilian, military and postal jobs, and the true size of government in 1996 expands to nearly 17 million, or more than eight times larger than the standard headcount of 1.9 million used by Congress and the President to declare the era of big government over. And the count does not even include the full-time equivalent employment of the people who work on a part-time or temporary basis for Uncle Sam--for example, the 884,000 members of the military reserves.

More at:

The True Size of Government (1/1/99) -- GovExec.com

somewhere in the neighborhood of 24% of all US workers are either directly or indirectly working for the govt.

Funny post. And don't forget to pick up your free lunch on your way out!

 

[uscitizen]

Truth is truth.

do a bit of research on your own. I realize that source is one of those trashy liberal links...NOT!

 

[Skull Pilot]

The government can give a person a job and in the sense that the government can make up a position to fill with a lackey, then yes I suppose you could say a job was created.

But at what cost?

Let's say the government wants to make up 25 $40K jobs for a total of 1 million a year.

The government must take more than a million dollars from the tax[payers to do this. Every step along the bureaucratic labyrinth costs money. Therefore if the government only took 1 million in additional taxes to pay for the 25 jobs, there would not be enough funding.

On the other hand, a group of private investors who hire 25 people at $40K a year merely pay the 1 Million and no more. Of course this is the most efficient use of capital.

 

[California Girl]

If being paid to do nothing is defined as a job, then, yes we can safely say that government creates jobs. It has created millions in the past year alone. Congratulations Obama.

 

[Dr.House]

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A more realistic headcount begins with the 1.9 million full-time permanent civilian federal workers who get their paychecks and identification cards from Uncle Sam. Add in the 1.5 million uniformed military personnel and 850,000 U.S. Postal Service workers who were counted in the federal workforce until their department became a quasi-government corporation in 1970, and the total full-time permanent federal workforce was just under 4.3 million in 1996, the last year for which good numbers are available on both the visible and shadow federal workforce.

Add in the people who work under federal contracts and grants or mandates imposed on state and local governments and the illusion of smallness becomes clear. In 1996, the federal government's $200 billion in contracts created an estimated 5.6 million jobs, its $55 billion in grants created another 2.4 million jobs, and its array of mandates in such fields as air and water quality and health and safety regulation encumbered another 4.7 million jobs in state, county and municipal governments. Add these 12.7 million shadow jobs to the 4.25 million civilian, military and postal jobs, and the true size of government in 1996 expands to nearly 17 million, or more than eight times larger than the standard headcount of 1.9 million used by Congress and the President to declare the era of big government over. And the count does not even include the full-time equivalent employment of the people who work on a part-time or temporary basis for Uncle Sam--for example, the 884,000 members of the military reserves.

More at:

The True Size of Government (1/1/99) -- GovExec.com

somewhere in the neighborhood of 24% of all US workers are either directly or indirectly working for the govt.

Funny post. And don't forget to pick up your free lunch on your way out!

Gubmint cheese sammiches...lol

 

[uscitizen]

The government can give a person a job and in the sense that the government can make up a position to fill with a lackey, then yes I suppose you could say a job was created.

But at what cost?

Let's say the government wants to make up 25 $40K jobs for a total of 1 million a year.

The government must take more than a million dollars from the tax[payers to do this. Every step along the bureaucratic labyrinth costs money. Therefore if the government only took 1 million in additional taxes to pay for the 25 jobs, there would not be enough funding.

On the other hand, a group of private investors who hire 25 people at $40K a year merely pay the 1 Million and no more. Of course this is the most efficient use of capital.

Cost is not what I am argueing here, Nice diversion attempt though.

 

[uscitizen]

The FACT is that the gummit does create jobs and a lot of them at least 24% of all jobs in the usa it seems.

 

[Skull Pilot]

The government can give a person a job and in the sense that the government can make up a position to fill with a lackey, then yes I suppose you could say a job was created.

But at what cost?

Let's say the government wants to make up 25 $40K jobs for a total of 1 million a year.

The government must take more than a million dollars from the tax[payers to do this. Every step along the bureaucratic labyrinth costs money. Therefore if the government only took 1 million in additional taxes to pay for the 25 jobs, there would not be enough funding.

On the other hand, a group of private investors who hire 25 people at $40K a year merely pay the 1 Million and no more. Of course this is the most efficient use of capital.

Cost is not what I am argueing here, Nice diversion attempt though.

not a diversion

simply the truth.

 

[uscitizen]

School teachers.
Highway workers and engineers, etc.
Bus drivers
Garbage collectors
Military and their contractors.
Military and government suppliers.
Grant recipeints.
Fire
Police
EPA
and on and on.

 

[uscitizen]

The government can give a person a job and in the sense that the government can make up a position to fill with a lackey, then yes I suppose you could say a job was created.

But at what cost?

Let's say the government wants to make up 25 $40K jobs for a total of 1 million a year.

The government must take more than a million dollars from the tax[payers to do this. Every step along the bureaucratic labyrinth costs money. Therefore if the government only took 1 million in additional taxes to pay for the 25 jobs, there would not be enough funding.

On the other hand, a group of private investors who hire 25 people at $40K a year merely pay the 1 Million and no more. Of course this is the most efficient use of capital.

Cost is not what I am argueing here, Nice diversion attempt though.

not a diversion

simply the truth.

Yes a diversion attempt, the topic is does the federal govt create jobs. The cost, etc is not the issue in this thread..

 

[blastoff]

Yeah, those good old government jobs.

How many billions did Amtrak lose last year in spite of the fact that it brings in a boatload of revenue?

Or the USPS. They charge for their services too, but they also figured out a way to lose billions of dollars too.

On the bright side though maybe if we get a bunch more government jobs ginned up the governemnt will eventually go out of business! That's one way to save a shitpot full of money.

 

[Some Guy]

...and where does the government get the funds to pay for these jobs? You'd usually say taxes, but this administration and congress doesn't; they just borrow nearly $1.6 trillion from China annually to do it.

So, in order for the government to "create" a job, it needs to either tax or borrow money to pay for that job. We all know that the government doesn't produce any goods, so it basically ends up meaning the government is creating services out of thin air that you may or may not want but charging you for them anyway via more taxes on you or borrowing money in your name.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Cost is not what I am argueing here, Nice diversion attempt though.

not a diversion

simply the truth.

Yes a diversion attempt, the topic is does the federal govt create jobs. The cost, etc is not the issue in this thread..

I stipulated that the government can make up a position to fill

But the tone here is that the government spending more than the private sector would to "create" jobs is a good thing.

It's not.

 

[uscitizen]

Yeah, those good old government jobs.

How many billions did Amtrak lose last year in spite of the fact that it brings in a boatload of revenue?

Or the USPS. They charge for their services too, but they also figured out a way to lose billions of dollars too.

On the bright side though maybe if we get a bunch more government jobs ginned up the governemnt will eventually go out of business! That's one way to save a shitpot full of money.

So? the point is that the gummit DOES create jobs. The rest is for another thread.
or three

 

[Midnight Marauder]

More piglets on the sow's tit.

Yup, that's the answer!

 

[uscitizen]

not a diversion

simply the truth.

Yes a diversion attempt, the topic is does the federal govt create jobs. The cost, etc is not the issue in this thread..

I stipulated that the government can make up a position to fill

But the tone here is that the government spending more than the private sector would to "create" jobs is a good thing.

It's not.

Ohh I did not say that they are good overall, just that they create a LOT of jobs.
They do seem to be good for the ones that have them though. Good pay and bennies.

 

[uscitizen]

More piglets on the sow's tit.

Yup, that's the answer!

I did not say that. I am just dispelling the myth/lie that the govt does not create jobs. Not the merit or value of those jobs.