For every lovely on the dole

[flacaltenn]

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[Iceweasel]

There was this study that if people wait till after 25 to have a child, they are like 80% less likely to live in poverty .

I hope they didn't spend too much on that study because waiting until you could afford a family is what people used to do.

 

[Timmy]

There was this study that if people wait till after 25 to have a child, they are like 80% less likely to live in poverty .

I hope they didn't spend too much on that study because waiting until you could afford a family is what people used to do.

Well back in the day "people used to" land decent paying jobs after getting out of school .

 

[Iceweasel]

There was this study that if people wait till after 25 to have a child, they are like 80% less likely to live in poverty .

I hope they didn't spend too much on that study because waiting until you could afford a family is what people used to do.

Well back in the day "people used to" land decent paying jobs after getting out of school .

I thought obama fixed all that. I'm feelin' mixed messages here.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Mandatory birth control.

Viva small, less intrusive government! Let's make government in charge of your reproductive system!

Don't like it? Work to get off welfare. Incentive, in other words. Good for the woman, good for any children she might have, good for marriages, good for selective mating, good for taxpayers, good for crime victims, good for the community...

And good for massive and intrusive government! Good for faceless bureaucrats with the power over individual's bodies! And a good first step to setting up an Authoritarian super state.

No, I think you are wrong. The way it is now, all of us are at the mercy of everyone else's "choice". We don't get to choose whether the welfare mom has two or ten children. But we are FORCED to pay for their births, their educations, and so on. That requires a huge intrusive bureaucracy--to extract the money, redistribute it, cover the high levels of dysfunction that comes with multi-generational dependency, and so on.

With my plan, only on person is responsible for her choice: the mother. And no one is on the hook to pay for her choice.

You want to subsidise sluts on my tax dollar ?

 

[cnelsen]

Mandatory birth control.

Viva small, less intrusive government! Let's make government in charge of your reproductive system!

Don't like it? Work to get off welfare. Incentive, in other words. Good for the woman, good for any children she might have, good for marriages, good for selective mating, good for taxpayers, good for crime victims, good for the community...

And good for massive and intrusive government! Good for faceless bureaucrats with the power over individual's bodies! And a good first step to setting up an Authoritarian super state.

No, I think you are wrong. The way it is now, all of us are at the mercy of everyone else's "choice". We don't get to choose whether the welfare mom has two or ten children. But we are FORCED to pay for their births, their educations, and so on. That requires a huge intrusive bureaucracy--to extract the money, redistribute it, cover the high levels of dysfunction that comes with multi-generational dependency, and so on.

With my plan, only on person is responsible for her choice: the mother. And no one is on the hook to pay for her choice.

You want to subsidise sluts on my tax dollar ?

Um, no.

 

[NYcarbineer]

What counts as "on the dole "?

means-tested benefits

Like public education regardless of one's ability to pay for it?

Like Medicaid?

 

[Timmy]

There was this study that if people wait till after 25 to have a child, they are like 80% less likely to live in poverty .

I hope they didn't spend too much on that study because waiting until you could afford a family is what people used to do.

Well back in the day "people used to" land decent paying jobs after getting out of school .

I thought obama fixed all that. I'm feelin' mixed messages here.

Well there's that union hating GOP causing the damage .

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Viva small, less intrusive government! Let's make government in charge of your reproductive system!

Don't like it? Work to get off welfare. Incentive, in other words. Good for the woman, good for any children she might have, good for marriages, good for selective mating, good for taxpayers, good for crime victims, good for the community...

And good for massive and intrusive government! Good for faceless bureaucrats with the power over individual's bodies! And a good first step to setting up an Authoritarian super state.

No, I think you are wrong. The way it is now, all of us are at the mercy of everyone else's "choice". We don't get to choose whether the welfare mom has two or ten children. But we are FORCED to pay for their births, their educations, and so on. That requires a huge intrusive bureaucracy--to extract the money, redistribute it, cover the high levels of dysfunction that comes with multi-generational dependency, and so on.

With my plan, only on person is responsible for her choice: the mother. And no one is on the hook to pay for her choice.

You want to subsidise sluts on my tax dollar ?

Um, no.

Great ,They should be made to pay for their own sterilisation.

 

[cnelsen]

What counts as "on the dole "?

means-tested benefits

Like public education regardless of one's ability to pay for it?

Like Medicaid?

Is public education means-tested?

As you are well aware, the details of such a policy could and would be worked out as it moved through Congress. What you are doing, rather than substantively debate the merits of the policy, is simply probing for obstacles--trying to find reasons to scuttle the proposal. That means you would be against the policy for some other reason unrelated to whether the criteria would conflict with Medicaid eligibility. Why not be up front say what that reason is?

 

[cnelsen]

Don't like it? Work to get off welfare. Incentive, in other words. Good for the woman, good for any children she might have, good for marriages, good for selective mating, good for taxpayers, good for crime victims, good for the community...

And good for massive and intrusive government! Good for faceless bureaucrats with the power over individual's bodies! And a good first step to setting up an Authoritarian super state.

No, I think you are wrong. The way it is now, all of us are at the mercy of everyone else's "choice". We don't get to choose whether the welfare mom has two or ten children. But we are FORCED to pay for their births, their educations, and so on. That requires a huge intrusive bureaucracy--to extract the money, redistribute it, cover the high levels of dysfunction that comes with multi-generational dependency, and so on.

With my plan, only on person is responsible for her choice: the mother. And no one is on the hook to pay for her choice.

You want to subsidise sluts on my tax dollar ?

Um, no.

Great ,They should be made to pay for their own sterilisation.

Sterilization is not the same thing as birth control. But you knew that, didn't you?

And from a purely cost-saving measure, a single mother on the full array of programs with her six children costs taxpayers a whole hell of a lot more than the single woman who needs to get a job and a husband if she wants to raise a family.

 

[NYcarbineer]

What counts as "on the dole "?

means-tested benefits

Like public education regardless of one's ability to pay for it?

Like Medicaid?

Is public education means-tested?

As you are well aware, the details of such a policy could and would be worked out as it moved through Congress. What you are doing, rather than substantively debate the merits of the policy, is simply probing for obstacles--trying to find reasons to scuttle the proposal. That means you would be against the policy for some other reason unrelated to whether the criteria would conflict with Medicaid eligibility. Why not be up front say what that reason is?

Public education is pure socialism, all children get it regardless of their parents' or anyone else's ability to pay.

 

[NYcarbineer]

And good for massive and intrusive government! Good for faceless bureaucrats with the power over individual's bodies! And a good first step to setting up an Authoritarian super state.

No, I think you are wrong. The way it is now, all of us are at the mercy of everyone else's "choice". We don't get to choose whether the welfare mom has two or ten children. But we are FORCED to pay for their births, their educations, and so on. That requires a huge intrusive bureaucracy--to extract the money, redistribute it, cover the high levels of dysfunction that comes with multi-generational dependency, and so on.

With my plan, only on person is responsible for her choice: the mother. And no one is on the hook to pay for her choice.

You want to subsidise sluts on my tax dollar ?

Um, no.

Great ,They should be made to pay for their own sterilisation.

Sterilization is not the same thing as birth control. But you knew that, didn't you?

And from a purely cost-saving measure, a single mother on the full array of programs with her six children costs taxpayers a whole hell of a lot more than the single woman who needs to get a job and a husband if she wants to raise a family.

At the risk of sounding like I take you seriously, how would a mandatory birth control law, restricted to poor people,

work in the real world?

 

[SmokeALib]

The reason I don't oppose abortion...

Less democrook voters.

Look.... They're almost gone....

You realize square footage does not equal people , right ?

Hence, eletoral college.

 

[cnelsen]

What counts as "on the dole "?

means-tested benefits

Like public education regardless of one's ability to pay for it?

Like Medicaid?

Is public education means-tested?

As you are well aware, the details of such a policy could and would be worked out as it moved through Congress. What you are doing, rather than substantively debate the merits of the policy, is simply probing for obstacles--trying to find reasons to scuttle the proposal. That means you would be against the policy for some other reason unrelated to whether the criteria would conflict with Medicaid eligibility. Why not be up front say what that reason is?

Public education is pure socialism, all children get it regardless of their parents' or anyone else's ability to pay.

Right. Not means-tested.

 

[cnelsen]

No, I think you are wrong. The way it is now, all of us are at the mercy of everyone else's "choice". We don't get to choose whether the welfare mom has two or ten children. But we are FORCED to pay for their births, their educations, and so on. That requires a huge intrusive bureaucracy--to extract the money, redistribute it, cover the high levels of dysfunction that comes with multi-generational dependency, and so on.

With my plan, only on person is responsible for her choice: the mother. And no one is on the hook to pay for her choice.

You want to subsidise sluts on my tax dollar ?

Um, no.

Great ,They should be made to pay for their own sterilisation.

Sterilization is not the same thing as birth control. But you knew that, didn't you?

And from a purely cost-saving measure, a single mother on the full array of programs with her six children costs taxpayers a whole hell of a lot more than the single woman who needs to get a job and a husband if she wants to raise a family.

At the risk of sounding like I take you seriously, how would a mandatory birth control law, restricted to poor people,

work in the real world?

Of course, I never said anything about poor people. But you knew that, didn't you?

In order to receive benefits (TANF, Section 8) females would have to provide proof of contraception. Patch, or whatever. Once again, these are details that would be worked out in the drafting process. What's your real beef with the idea?

 

[whitehall]

Mandatory birth control has always been the dream of liberal democrats since the "eugenics movement" founded by the predecessor of Planned Parenthood. It might have become a reality if the Hildabeast was elected.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

You want to subsidise sluts on my tax dollar ?

Um, no.

Great ,They should be made to pay for their own sterilisation.

Sterilization is not the same thing as birth control. But you knew that, didn't you?

And from a purely cost-saving measure, a single mother on the full array of programs with her six children costs taxpayers a whole hell of a lot more than the single woman who needs to get a job and a husband if she wants to raise a family.

At the risk of sounding like I take you seriously, how would a mandatory birth control law, restricted to poor people,

work in the real world?

Of course, I never said anything about poor people. But you knew that, didn't you?

In order to receive benefits (TANF, Section 8) females would have to provide proof of contraception. Patch, or whatever. Once again, these are details that would be worked out in the drafting process. What's your real beef with the idea?

Well in the UK we have found that not many billionaires apply for benefits.So your plan would only apply to poor people.

Why is there no mention of men ?

Surely the best solution would be for them to have the snip at 15/16 and then get their kit reconnected when they get a job.

A properly constituted board of white middle aged Christians would have to be formed to approve these operations.

Make it universal and the girls would not need any contraception. They could fuck like rabbits without a care in the World.

 

[Iceweasel]

There was this study that if people wait till after 25 to have a child, they are like 80% less likely to live in poverty .

I hope they didn't spend too much on that study because waiting until you could afford a family is what people used to do.

Well back in the day "people used to" land decent paying jobs after getting out of school .

I thought obama fixed all that. I'm feelin' mixed messages here.

Well there's that union hating GOP causing the damage .

So obama didn't fix it but union hating GOP was all you could puke up?

 

[Iceweasel]

What counts as "on the dole "?

means-tested benefits

Like public education regardless of one's ability to pay for it?

Like Medicaid?

Is public education means-tested?

As you are well aware, the details of such a policy could and would be worked out as it moved through Congress. What you are doing, rather than substantively debate the merits of the policy, is simply probing for obstacles--trying to find reasons to scuttle the proposal. That means you would be against the policy for some other reason unrelated to whether the criteria would conflict with Medicaid eligibility. Why not be up front say what that reason is?

Public education is pure socialism, all children get it regardless of their parents' or anyone else's ability to pay.

There's nothing pure about socialism but we've seen the results of too much socialism in public ed. The solution is freedom from taxes to take your child to a private school.