For Every Confederate Soldier Statue They Remove, Put Up 10

[TyroneSlothrop]

There should be a line of confederate themed toilet paper to properly respect the slave monger Nation...there should be Jefferson Davis toilet paper a Robert E Lee toilet paper and the Dixie flag shit wiper

 

[rightwinger]

Use the monuments in dog parks across the country

Let the dogs pay their respects

Spoken like a true regressive, liewinger!

Better art work than a statue to traitors

And you view that as artwork, do you?

Compared to a statue honoring slave rapers...I do

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

There should be Memorial Statues in all Southern State Capitals FOR THE VICTIMS OF SLAVERY

 

[WinterBorn]

You want to put statues up on private property, have at it. I'm betting your ranting results in 3 confederate flags being flwon for a week, and then nothing.

 

[JonKoch]

Confederate soldiers’ statues are being removed all over the South. For in New Orleans, one in Virginia. More in Florida. But these are all on public land, in city squares. There is no attempt to remove any statues (or even flags) from private property. People can fly flags or display statues in their front yards, in full view, if they wish to. Some people here in Tampa, Florida already do.

So if the do-gooders really want to make Confederate statues an issue, let’s make it one for them. For every Confederate soldier statue they remove, let’s put 10 more up. They remove 10, we put up 100. They remove 100, we put up 1000.

Before you know it, you won’t be able to drive 2 blocks without seeing a reminder of the Confederacy and the people who fought for it. The do-gooders will wish they never came up with this idea. And yeah, there’s always airplanes with skywriting and message trailers.

Now, as for the politics, I can sympathize with black folks being uncomfortable with glorification of the nation that supported slavery. And maybe the flags representing that (partially) could be a bit over the top. Maybe that statue of Jefferson Davis also.

But the removal of soldiers’ statues is not acceptable. Jefferson Davis was a politician who led the Confederacy. And the Confederate flag represents that nation and its politics. But soldiers don’t make laws. They don’t prescribe policy. They follow orders and risk their lives (and often lose them) in wars. It’s just not right to remove soldiers’ statues and dishonor them in the process. They take them down….put more up.

The Democrats are trying to rewrite their own history. They'd like to get as far away from slavery, Jim Crow, the KKK and other products and vestiges that continue to sully their well-known history and current totalitarian objectives, and their renewed support for the slavery of all to The State.

Dems? Oh right those CONServatives guys from the CONfederate States of AmeriKKKa, today's GOP base

 

[JonKoch]

Where are the memorials for the British soldiers that fought in the War for Independence?

In Britain.

Well, there your are...!

You think you made a point but you didn't.

Nobody from the south is heading to NYC to tear down the Bull, or to DC to unseat Lincoln, or whining about how those statues represent OPPRESSION to them.

 

[rightwinger]

Why are there more Confederate Monuments than Union Monuments?

 

[JonKoch]

Recognizing that rebellion against one's country and one's oaths is not honorable is reverting to history, not changing, altering or revising it.

THAT is revisionist history.

The oath to the constitution that our politicians and elected officials are sworn to uphold maintains they will not operate against the tenets of the constitution.

Which of course the Union did when they sought to control and steal from the south...and which is what the feds today are doing when they seek to control and steal from the remaining residents of rural areas in the west.

And when they violate the oath, and when the government oppresses and harms the people in violation of the constitution, then we absolutely are obliged to raise up against them.

Psst...seeking to oust tyrants and criminals from seats of powers isn't the same as "rebellion against one's country"...any more than "public lands" and "federally owned lands" are the same thing.

LMAOROG


The South still lies about the Civil War

 

[JonKoch]

Confederate soldiers’ statues are being removed all over the South. For in New Orleans, one in Virginia. More in Florida. But these are all on public land, in city squares. There is no attempt to remove any statues (or even flags) from private property. People can fly flags or display statues in their front yards, in full view, if they wish to. Some people here in Tampa, Florida already do.

So if the do-gooders really want to make Confederate statues an issue, let’s make it one for them. For every Confederate soldier statue they remove, let’s put 10 more up. They remove 10, we put up 100. They remove 100, we put up 1000.

Before you know it, you won’t be able to drive 2 blocks without seeing a reminder of the Confederacy and the people who fought for it. The do-gooders will wish they never came up with this idea. And yeah, there’s always airplanes with skywriting and message trailers.

Now, as for the politics, I can sympathize with black folks being uncomfortable with glorification of the nation that supported slavery. And maybe the flags representing that (partially) could be a bit over the top. Maybe that statue of Jefferson Davis also.

But the removal of soldiers’ statues is not acceptable. Jefferson Davis was a politician who led the Confederacy. And the Confederate flag represents that nation and its politics. But soldiers don’t make laws. They don’t prescribe policy. They follow orders and risk their lives (and often lose them) in wars. It’s just not right to remove soldiers’ statues and dishonor them in the process. They take them down….put more up.

The Democrats are trying to rewrite their own history. They'd like to get as far away from slavery, Jim Crow, the KKK and other products and vestiges that continue to sully their well-known history and current totalitarian objectives, and their renewed support for the slavery of all to The State.

funny how things changed starting in the 1940 with a demo prez integrating the military and the dems kicking out the southern dixicrat scum in 48'. then in the 60's a democrat signed the civil rights act and the republicans went after and captured the racist cracka south with their southern strategy

That's a lovely story.

Which party wants to fly the CONfderate flag again and is upset over removing the statues to traitors to the USA???


CIVIL RIGHTS ACT 1964:

By party and region
Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states

The original House version:

• Southern Democrats: 8–87 (7–93%)
• Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%)
• Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%)
• Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%)

The Senate version:

• Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%) (only Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
• Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%) (John Tower of Texas)
• Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%) (only Robert Byrd of West Virginia voted against)
• Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%)

Civil Rights Act of 1964 - Wikipedia

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Meanwhile Trump has announced that he is naming Frederick Douglass to Head the "Trump Council on Negro Spirituals Fried chicken and watermelon"

 

[JonKoch]

Trying to make those who fought against the country into heroes is the very essence of 'revisionism'.

No, it's not.

Revisionism is removing all trace of cultures that you don't approve of.

Including the culture that fought against Federal overreach.

"Traditional Culture Is an Obstacle to the CCP’s Dictatorship"

"Traditional Culture Challenges the Legitimacy of the CCP Rule"

"
In order to seize, maintain and consolidate its tyranny, the CCP needs to replace human nature with its evil Party nature, and the Chinese traditional culture with its Party culture of “deceit, wickedness, and violence.”
This destruction and substitution includes cultural relics, historical sites, and ancient books, which are tangible, and such intangible things as the traditional outlook on morality, life, and the world. All aspects of people’s lives are involved, including their actions, thoughts, and lifestyles.

At the same time, the CCP regards insignificant and superficial cultural manifestations as the “essence,” retaining them, and then puts this essence up as a façade. The Party keeps the semblance of tradition while replacing the real tradition with Party culture. It then deceives the people and international society behind a façade of carrying on and developing Chinese traditional culture."

Commentary 6: On How the Chinese Communist Party Destroyed Traditional Culture

Sound familiar, liewinger?

It does to me.

So...YOU'RE culture is the culture of a 4 year attempt to start a country based on keeping slavery and being stupid enough to start a war by firing on a federal installation that was doing nothing to their so-called new country.

Even the NAZI culture lasted 8 years....twice as long as YOUR loser culture.

Y'all are just totally fucking ignorant, or purposefully obtuse. Which party opposed freeing slaves? Which party was responsible for the KKK? Which party pushed Jim Crow laws? And on, and on...? Are you all so fucking stupid, or do you choose to revise history to suit your agenda? Democrats have long been the "negros'" nemisis. They still are, striving to keep modern blacks on their welfare plantation.

PARTY? Which IDEOLOGY Bubba?

You do understand not many liberal ran the Southern CONservative CONfederate States of AmeriKKKa right?

 

[JonKoch]

Yes, remind people that you support treason. Put up a Trump sign, too, and there will be no doubt.

It wasn't treason, it was secession. They were individual states and their sovereignty was being usurped by an overbearing federal parasite. That is why they seceded.
You're so brainwashed you can't even understand that.
You represent the reason for their secession.
Get back to class.

REBELLION!

re·bel·lion
rəˈbelyən/
noun

1. an act of violent or open resistance to an established government or ruler.
   "the authorities put down a rebellion by landless colonials"
   synonyms: uprising, revolt, insurrection, mutiny, revolution, insurgence, insurgency; More
   

WHY?

 

[koshergrl]

Where are the memorials for the British soldiers that fought in the War for Independence?

In Britain.

Well, there your are...!

You think you made a point but you didn't.

Nobody from the south is heading to NYC to tear down the Bull, or to DC to unseat Lincoln, or whining about how those statues represent OPPRESSION to them.

Do you maintain that every utterance of every politician accurately sums up not only the truth of every situation, but the viewpoint of the masses?

A tyrannical government used the slave issue to exert illegal authority over the states. Just as a tyrannical government today uses environmental and homo issues to exert illegal authority over the states. They pick an issue that will create a divide, and they ride it.

 

[koshergrl]

Yes, remind people that you support treason. Put up a Trump sign, too, and there will be no doubt.

It wasn't treason, it was secession. They were individual states and their sovereignty was being usurped by an overbearing federal parasite. That is why they seceded.
You're so brainwashed you can't even understand that.
You represent the reason for their secession.
Get back to class.

REBELLION!

re·bel·lion
rəˈbelyən/
noun

1. an act of violent or open resistance to an established government or ruler.
   "the authorities put down a rebellion by landless colonials"
   synonyms: uprising, revolt, insurrection, mutiny, revolution, insurgence, insurgency; More

WHY?

You need to lay off the posters, loser.

 

[mamooth]

5.5 million whites in the civil war era south, 3.5 million blacks.

Alas, the blacks and non-slaver whites don't count at all as "southern culture". Only the slavers do, according to the slaver-defenders here.

 

[JonKoch]

Where are the memorials for the British soldiers that fought in the War for Independence?

In Britain.

Well, there your are...!

You think you made a point but you didn't.

Nobody from the south is heading to NYC to tear down the Bull, or to DC to unseat Lincoln, or whining about how those statues represent OPPRESSION to them.

Do you maintain that every utterance of every politician accurately sums up not only the truth of every situation, but the viewpoint of the masses?

A tyrannical government used the slave issue to exert illegal authority over the states. Just as a tyrannical government today uses environmental and homo issues to exert illegal authority over the states.

Five myths about why the South seceded

1. The South seceded over states’ rights.

Confederate states did claim the right to secede, but no state claimed to be seceding for that right. In fact, Confederates opposed states’ rights — that is, the right of Northern states not to support slavery.

On Dec. 24, 1860, delegates at South Carolina’s secession convention adopted a “Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union.” It noted “an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery” and protested that Northern states had failed to “fulfill their constitutional obligations” by interfering with the return of fugitive slaves to bondage. Slavery, not states’ rights, birthed the Civil War.

South Carolina was further upset that New York no longer allowed “slavery transit.”



2. Secession was about tariffs and taxes.

During the nadir of post-civil-war race relations — the terrible years after 1890 when town after town across the North became all-white “sundown towns” and state after state across the South prevented African Americans from voting — “anything but slavery” explanations of the Civil War gained traction.


At the infamous Secession Ball in South Carolina, hosted in December by the Sons of Confederate Veterans, “the main reasons for secession were portrayed as high tariffs and Northern states using Southern tax money to build their own infrastructure,” The Washington Post reported.

These explanations are flatly wrong. High tariffs had prompted the Nullification Controversy in 1831-33, when, after South Carolina demanded the right to nullify federal laws or secede in protest, President Andrew Jackson threatened force. No state joined the movement, and South Carolina backed down. Tariffs were not an issue in 1860, and Southern states said nothing about them. Why would they? Southerners had written the tariff of 1857, under which the nation was functioning. Its rates were lower than at any point since 1816.



3. Most white Southerners didn’t own slaves, so they wouldn’t secede for slavery.

....However, two ideological factors caused most Southern whites, including those who were not slave-owners, to defend slavery. First, Americans are wondrous optimists, looking to the upper class and expecting to join it someday. In 1860, many subsistence farmers aspired to become large slave-owners. So poor white Southerners supported slavery then, just as many low-income people support the extension of George W. Bush’s tax cuts for the wealthy now.


Second and more important, belief in white supremacy provided a rationale for slavery



4. Abraham Lincoln went to war to end slavery.

Since the Civil War did end slavery, many Americans think abolition was the Union’s goal. But the North initially went to war to hold the nation together. Abolition came later.




5. The South couldn’t have made it long as a slave society.

Slavery was hardly on its last legs in 1860. That year, the South produced almost 75 percent of all U.S. exports. Slaves were worth more than all the manufacturing companies and railroads in the nation. No elite class in history has ever given up such an immense interest voluntarily. Moreover, Confederates eyed territorial expansion into Mexico and Cuba. Short of war, who would have stopped them — or forced them to abandon slavery?

To claim that slavery would have ended of its own accord by the mid-20th century is impossible to disprove but difficult to accept.

Five myths about why the South seceded

 

[JonKoch]

Yes, remind people that you support treason. Put up a Trump sign, too, and there will be no doubt.

It wasn't treason, it was secession. They were individual states and their sovereignty was being usurped by an overbearing federal parasite. That is why they seceded.
You're so brainwashed you can't even understand that.
You represent the reason for their secession.
Get back to class.

REBELLION!

re·bel·lion
rəˈbelyən/
noun

1. an act of violent or open resistance to an established government or ruler.
   "the authorities put down a rebellion by landless colonials"
   synonyms: uprising, revolt, insurrection, mutiny, revolution, insurgence, insurgency; More

WHY?

You need to lay off the posters, loser.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

If we want statues, why not of heroes instead of traitors?

koshergrl actually, there are quite a few statues of Americans in Enland. But no traitors - sorry. [emoji849]


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[rightwinger]

5.5 million whites in the civil war era south, 3.5 million blacks.

Alas, the blacks and non-slaver whites don't count at all as "southern culture". Only the slavers do, according to the slaver-defenders here.

It was a nation created to ensure the enslavement of blacks forever

An embarrassment to mankind. No other nation in history has had 40% of its population in slavery

 

[koshergrl]

Yes, remind people that you support treason. Put up a Trump sign, too, and there will be no doubt.

It wasn't treason, it was secession. They were individual states and their sovereignty was being usurped by an overbearing federal parasite. That is why they seceded.
You're so brainwashed you can't even understand that.
You represent the reason for their secession.
Get back to class.

REBELLION!

re·bel·lion
rəˈbelyən/
noun

1. an act of violent or open resistance to an established government or ruler.
   "the authorities put down a rebellion by landless colonials"
   synonyms: uprising, revolt, insurrection, mutiny, revolution, insurgence, insurgency; More

WHY?

You need to lay off the posters, loser.

No, I didn't. None of your funny little posters disproved what I said..

which is that the civil war was about resources. They did what tyrannical governments seeking to exert illegal pressure on a minority always do...they started out with an issue to convince people that THIS time, it will be okay to ignore the law and squish the minority.

And that's what they did. They said "southerners are racists!" and used that to justify the takeover of the south, the decimation of the south, and the seizure of property and resources of the south.