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I actually don't mind the patriot act..
More proof that the conservative whines about govt power are nothing but hypocritical blather.
And most computer geeks are hardcore righties anyway.
They are just keepin us safe from terrorists.
Or to be more exact, keeping businesses safe from terrorism.
I've heard that crap before. Didn't Bush tell us the Patriot Act was "for your own good"?
Immie
I actually don't mind the patriot act.
I don't really mind this one, either. It's just business as usual, and I have faith in techies to figure it out and figure out workarounds.
Obama will not kill the internet. It's bigger than he is.
Most conservatives supported it.
I on the other hand saw... Hillary Clinton in the Oval Office with the power of the Patriot Act under her control and whatever interpretations she came up with and thought... "Oh Shit!!!"
And another thing, If Al Gore had won the Presidency and 9/11 had happened and Al Gore had proposed the Patriot Act, I would not have been the only conservative thinking... "Oh Shit!!!"
Immie
If you werent such a partisan hack, you'd realize this was "dished out" by bush
I repeat: So? Do you expect me to say, "Oh, if Bush wanted it, it must be cool!"?
Not happening. In case you haven't noticed, I don't want an all-powerful government. Such power as this is too open to politically-motivated abuse.
I actually don't mind the patriot act.
I don't really mind this one, either. It's just business as usual, and I have faith in techies to figure it out and figure out workarounds.
Obama will not kill the internet. It's bigger than he is.
Anyone who isn't a criminal wouldn't.
I actually don't mind the patriot act.
I don't really mind this one, either. It's just business as usual, and I have faith in techies to figure it out and figure out workarounds.
Obama will not kill the internet. It's bigger than he is.
Most conservatives supported it.
I on the other hand saw... Hillary Clinton in the Oval Office with the power of the Patriot Act under her control and whatever interpretations she came up with and thought... "Oh Shit!!!"
And another thing, If Al Gore had won the Presidency and 9/11 had happened and Al Gore had proposed the Patriot Act, I would not have been the only conservative thinking... "Oh Shit!!!"
Immie
The Patriot Act is renewable, which means it comes up for a vote every so often. That's why I finally supported it. It's not perfect, but it's something we've used before.
I actually don't mind the patriot act..
More proof that the conservative whines about govt power are nothing but hypocritical blather.
Wrong. FDR imposed FAR harsher measures and authorized the wiretapping of ANY and ALL suspected subversives. PRIOR to WWII.
What's the difference?
Oh, and when was it exactly Obama had the Patriot Act done away with? Last I heard, it was business as usual at the NSA ...
And most computer geeks are hardcore righties anyway.
This is true.. Out of the 9 hardcore professional geeks I know, 9 are hardcore right.
I actually don't mind the patriot act.
I don't really mind this one, either. It's just business as usual, and I have faith in techies to figure it out and figure out workarounds.
Obama will not kill the internet. It's bigger than he is.
Anyone who isn't a criminal wouldn't.
I'm not a criminal and I don't. Unless, being unemployed makes me a criminal.
I think it is a conservative principle not to trust government too far. I think the powers of the Patriot Act can turn a law abiding citizen from law abiding to "enemy of the state" in the matter of a single power change in Washington.
Immie
Internet Kill Switch Approved by Senate Committee - cbs4.com
quote:
"Initially, the bill would have given the president unlimited authority on how long he could control the Internet, but an amendment passed Friday says he would have to get the approval of Congress to shut down the Internet for more than 120 days."
Please contact your congressman today and voice your opinion on this. We simply can not allow DC to take the internet. Think China, Iran, Venezuela.......
Anyone who isn't a criminal wouldn't.
I'm not a criminal and I don't. Unless, being unemployed makes me a criminal.
I think it is a conservative principle not to trust government too far. I think the powers of the Patriot Act can turn a law abiding citizen from law abiding to "enemy of the state" in the matter of a single power change in Washington.
Immie
The law referred to in the OP reduces the power of the Feds to shutdown the internet. If you really don't trust the govt too far, you should support this proposed legislation
WASHINGTON (CBS4) ―
The White House is one step closer to having the authority to flip the Internet "kill switch" in case of emergency.
The Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs approved a cybersecurity bill called PCNAA, or Protecting Cyberspace as a National Asset Act on Friday. The bill would give the president the power to call it lights out for the Internet if there is "a cyber attack capable of causing massive damage or loss of life."
The legislation would force companies such as broadband providers, search engines, or software firms that the government selects to "immediately comply with any emergency measure or action developed" by the Department of Homeland Security. Anyone failing to comply would be fined
Lieberman defended the PCNAA bill by saying that it was important to give the president the right to "say to an electric company or to say to Verizon, in the national
interest, 'There's an attack about to come, and I hereby order you to put a patch on this, or put your network down on this part, or stop accepting any incoming from country A.'"
I'm not a criminal and I don't. Unless, being unemployed makes me a criminal.
I think it is a conservative principle not to trust government too far. I think the powers of the Patriot Act can turn a law abiding citizen from law abiding to "enemy of the state" in the matter of a single power change in Washington.
Immie
The law referred to in the OP reduces the power of the Feds to shutdown the internet. If you really don't trust the govt too far, you should support this proposed legislation
Really?
Here's what I am reading:
WASHINGTON (CBS4) ―
The White House is one step closer to having the authority to flip the Internet "kill switch" in case of emergency.
The Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs approved a cybersecurity bill called PCNAA, or Protecting Cyberspace as a National Asset Act on Friday. The bill would give the president the power to call it lights out for the Internet if there is "a cyber attack capable of causing massive damage or loss of life."
The legislation would force companies such as broadband providers, search engines, or software firms that the government selects to "immediately comply with any emergency measure or action developed" by the Department of Homeland Security. Anyone failing to comply would be fined
PCNAA Bill Would Give President an "Internet... | Gather
Lieberman defended the PCNAA bill by saying that it was important to give the president the right to "say to an electric company or to say to Verizon, in the national
interest, 'There's an attack about to come, and I hereby order you to put a patch on this, or put your network down on this part, or stop accepting any incoming from country A.'"
Now, what I see there is the potential of DHS to decide that they don't like the information that is being disseminated through the net and shut it down. For instance, they don't like the criticism they are receiving in regards to Heathcare Reform... flip the switch and shut down the criticism.
So where are you seeing this reduction in powers?
Immie
FOlks, it turns out that the govt already has the power to "kill" the internet under the 1934 Telecommunications Act (as amended in 1996)
Joe Lieberman And The Myth of The Internet Kill Switch | TPMDC
At least we now know for sure Bush did not do this one
There are a lot of stupid laws on the books, let's just hope no one is stupid enough to pull the plug on the Internet!!!
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If you had read the article I linked to, you would see that this new legislation is meant to restrict the 1934 Telecom Act. I would think that a conservative such as yourself would support a reining in of Fed power; not calling it stupid
And the law only applies in time of war. I guess you want the enemy to continue to be able to communicate using the Internet.
The law referred to in the OP reduces the power of the Feds to shutdown the internet. If you really don't trust the govt too far, you should support this proposed legislation
Really?
Here's what I am reading:
PCNAA Bill Would Give President an "Internet... | Gather
Lieberman defended the PCNAA bill by saying that it was important to give the president the right to "say to an electric company or to say to Verizon, in the national
interest, 'There's an attack about to come, and I hereby order you to put a patch on this, or put your network down on this part, or stop accepting any incoming from country A.'"
Now, what I see there is the potential of DHS to decide that they don't like the information that is being disseminated through the net and shut it down. For instance, they don't like the criticism they are receiving in regards to Heathcare Reform... flip the switch and shut down the criticism.
So where are you seeing this reduction in powers?
Immie
I have already posted a link to an article which discusses the Telecommunication Act of 1933 which shows that the govt already has the power to shut down the Internet. I even quoted the section of the Act that does this.
At least we now know for sure Bush did not do this one
There are a lot of stupid laws on the books, let's just hope no one is stupid enough to pull the plug on the Internet!!!
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If you had read the article I linked to, you would see that this new legislation is meant to restrict the 1934 Telecom Act. I would think that a conservative such as yourself would support a reining in of Fed power; not calling it stupid
And the law only applies in time of war. I guess you want the enemy to continue to be able to communicate using the Internet.
I was responding to you rettoric of Bush did it
http://www.usmessageboard.com/2455365-post5.html
Reining in and Stupid in this case seem to fit.
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Really?
Here's what I am reading:
PCNAA Bill Would Give President an "Internet... | Gather
Now, what I see there is the potential of DHS to decide that they don't like the information that is being disseminated through the net and shut it down. For instance, they don't like the criticism they are receiving in regards to Heathcare Reform... flip the switch and shut down the criticism.
So where are you seeing this reduction in powers?
Immie
I have already posted a link to an article which discusses the Telecommunication Act of 1933 which shows that the govt already has the power to shut down the Internet. I even quoted the section of the Act that does this.
Doesn't change anything, if this bill allows the President to do as mentioned in the article.
Even if he did have that power before, this only expands or clarifies it for the internet, right?
Immie
Which means you do not care.Internet Kill Switch Approved by Senate Committee - cbs4.com
quote:
"Initially, the bill would have given the president unlimited authority on how long he could control the Internet, but an amendment passed Friday says he would have to get the approval of Congress to shut down the Internet for more than 120 days."
Please contact your congressman today and voice your opinion on this. We simply can not allow DC to take the internet. Think China, Iran, Venezuela.......
So that I don't have to repeat myself, this has been extensively discussed here:
http://www.usmessageboard.com/curre...ill-have-the-right-to-shut-down-internet.html